quote:Originally posted by ManofTheAtom: Two things validate an old story; making a reference to it or not making a reference to it either to validate it or invalidate it. By that standard, most of those stories are still in continuity.
EVEN if they were (I still think they're not) the story isn't as lenghty as Superman's is nowadays.
quote:Originally posted by ManofTheAtom: Actually you have it the wrong way. Hawkworld, the mini series, came first. It was Hawkworld the monthly comic that screwed continuity up.
How so? I don't remember much about Hawkworld (the mini) but I remember it was good and there was a big mess because of it.
quote:Originally posted by ManofTheAtom: Lex Luthor got cancer, he cloned a young body of himself and had his brain placed inside it.
Eventually, that body contracted an illness which forced Luthor to sell his soul to a devil to regain his lost youth, and that's how he's been since then, a youtfull man comparable to Superman.
You missed the trail. It's very important because it explains how the public can trust Luthor after he bombed Metropolis. A casual reader will tell you all that (and the trial)? I don't think so.
quote:Originally posted by ManofTheAtom: How about you try explaining Waid's Red Skull?
Let's see:
The Red Skull was a bellboy who was selected by Hitler to be his icon for Nazi hatred.
Eventually, while using the Cosmic Cube, the Red Skull died, only to return later in the form of a shadow which eventually reformed into the body of a man with the powers of a God thanks to the same Cosmic Cube which had killed him.
So before you even think about saying that Luthor II is convoluted, please consider that what happened to him is NOTHING compared to what's happened to many, many, many other comic book villains in the same 17 year time period.
Should I bring up Doom 2099?
The fact that there are messes worse than Luthor's doesn't make Luthor's mess any better. I don't know about Doom or Red Skull (and I'm surprised you know about Waid's Red Skull, I thought you didn't like Waid). That's not the point here. Maybe if I read the Captain America comics published in the past 17 years we could discuss if he needs to be revamped or not. Right now we're talking about Superman.
quote:Originally posted by ManofTheAtom: I agree on the second part of that statement.
So they didn't get gradually worse? In 1999 they started sucking, just like that?
