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there was a time, many years ago, when things were simpler. easier. and, most importantly, the DCMBs weren't so screwy. even before the mighty era of the infopop "black and blue" dcmbs, and the terrible reign of the ruthless, right-wing dictator, rob kamphausen. the dcmbs were once aol-based. a message board community, rather than a forum. it was a peaceful land. quiet. tranquil. and all thanks to one "dcomarc" i.e; marc campbell. before i did my best to soil his and dc's good name with my horrendous administrating tactics, marc was a friendly moderator and loyal web guy to dc comics. fast forward a few years, and now marc campbell is a professional author, creating several informational computer nerdery books, and soon, the traditional nerdery type of book; his own comic! "northwood saga" is part of marvel's new epic line, and was recently announced as an upcoming book at this years chicago-con marc, being the good guy that he is, has said he'd like to stop by here and dish some details on ...whatever. the book, the creator process, etc. mebbe even some good tips for anyone else interested in getting something in a comic. at the same time, he could get some good feedback from a buncha you non-mainstream comic fans (since im just the annoying batman fan). but lets not forget, campbell... i delete stuff up in this piece! ![[mwah hwah haa]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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Rob. Community. Thanks for having me. So, yes, after a too-long hiatus from the biz, I'm happy to confirm that what Rob says is true. Some foolish publisher has actually agreed to put out a comic of mine. It's called Northwood Saga. It's a full-blooded fantasy comic -- elves, dwarfs, sorcerers, some fighting, some philosophizing. The humans are the bad guys. I like to think it's different than the typical Marvel fare, but that's what everybody says, so I won't mention it. If you're so inclined, you can check out the details here... The Pulse: Slipping over the Transom Northwood remains at a very early stage of the production gauntlet. That said, I'd be happy to discuss Epic, the biz, the book, embarrassing moments in-house at DC caused/compounded by Rob, or whatever else happens to come up. As we go, I'll be looking for -- no, expecting -- no, demanding -- your feedback. So please give a shout. Catching up on old DCMB acquaintances. Making new ones. And working once again with Rob. Yes, it's good to be back in the fold. Marc
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That said...
can I get a free signed copy?
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Tell us about Rob's early fuck-ups.
We know about the later ones.
PS I'm drunk.
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Please forgive Dave's rudeness, Marc. He's Australian.
I think you'll be freaked out to know that there was a character based on you on the MBL (Message Board League) fan-fic. You were "The Moderator" (opposed to Rob, who was the Anti-Moderator).
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Quit trying to suck up....Im getting the first free signed copy!!!!!
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Marc, if you want to become a succesful and famous writer, ive got 2 words for you: Power Pack.
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Franta, this is my pledge. Free copies to all who request them. Depending on how much money I have when the book comes out, since Marvel will make me buy them myself. FYI, here's a quick mental tally...
Requests for free copies: 162
Promises to buy first issue retail: 3
Looks like the book will do OK if made available free of charge.
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Dave, looking back, most of the time it was me humiliating Rob on purpose. Halloween 1998, my boss (Greg Ross) and I made Rob wear a black spook mask, the kind with that one-way fabric that you can see out of but others can't see through. Then we made Rob go to a meeting. Greg and I were wearing spook masks, too, so when we marched into the conference room it was like the Procession of the Three Dorks. Nobody else in the meeting was wearing a costume -- and yet, even though the online dept. was the only group unaccounted for, nobody seemed to realize who we were. The others kept looking at us nervously out of the corners of their eyes. We were actually disrupting business processes. It was surreal. After about two uncomfortable minutes, Greg and I revealed our true identities. Shock mixed with relief. Then suddenly all eyes fell on Rob. He hesitated at first, as if to weigh the merits of being the only costume-wearing dork in the room against the sheer humiliation of unmasking in public. Long moments passed. Finally, the mask came off. Bright red face. Hurt in the eyes. He had trusted us, and we had used that trust against him. Those were the days.
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Not Mxy, ah, the pieces of the puzzle fall into place. I saw some MBL posts once containing what looked like my Secret Files entry. I didn't know what was up about it. Now I know. Maybe you could catch me up on the storyline.
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What kind of feedback/interaction have you had with editors?
(Boring, I know, but I just don't really give a shit about Rob).
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Ah, so this is Marc Campbell. Now I get all those jokes....uhh I mean uhh...."stories"....yeah, stories.
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Not Mxy, ah, the pieces of the puzzle fall into place. I saw some MBL posts once containing what looked like my Secret Files entry. I didn't know what was up about it. Now I know. Maybe you could catch me up on the storyline.
Well... the Universe that had you as a character was destroyed and we started a new one. You haven't been introduced in the new Universe... yet. You're also a character in a couple of Elseworlds-like stories started a few years ago and never finished.
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
my secret shame!!!
As opposed to yur public ones.
Good story, Marc. I trust Rob's hair resembled a bird's nest once the mask was removed, and refused to stick to his scalp despite his best efforts with spit.
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my secret shame!!!
Then there was the secretary who was hitting on you, remember? She told me you looked like Brad Pitt. The only problem was, you were, what, about 9 years old, and she was like 37. She did have a pretty face, though.
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What kind of feedback/interaction have you had with editors?
Mr. Nobody, I just got finished with the first round of revisions. This involved Epic telling me what they liked about the first issue as well as what they thought could be improved, and me making the suggested changes.
They liked three things in particular: the genre (small people with pointy ears and melee weapons instead of capes and tights and web shooters), the format (one-shot, self-contained story), and the premise of the story -- it has an underlying theme or meaning behind it. Epic seems to be big on metaphors. They like it when a comic book character has symbolic meaning, like Peter Parker. His powers are a literary device -- they're a metaphor for the awkwardness of puberty. They don't just want a typical comic book character for its own sake, as in "Wouldn't it be cool if a guy dressed up like a bat?" That might appeal to comic fans, but it doesn't help them attract new readers who might be on the fence about the whole issue of guys in bat suits. They want the comic-booky elements to stand for something in human experience: "Wouldn't it be cool to use this guy in the bat suit to explore our fears about urban crime?" This way, non-comics people have an excuse to enjoy the story. They don't have to feel embarrassed or whatever about reading about a guy in a bat suit, since it's not so much about the bat suit anymore. It's really a modern myth about urban crime with a cool visual.
The eds. suggested maybe three things so far to improve the script, and I found their input very helpful. I didn't feel like they were trying to hijack the script. Just the opposite. It felt like they were helping me to tell the best story possible, and they let me take a crack at the changes my own way. They didn't dictate or try to step me through it. I've heard horror stories about editors gone wild, especially at Marvel, but I'm happy to report that this wasn't my experience at all.
The first revisions were about the structure of the story and a few general points about dialog. I submitted a revised version last week. We'll probably push the script back and forth a few more times until we have a final version.
Are you submitting/have you already submitted something?
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Ah, so this is Marc Campbell. Now I get all those jokes....uhh I mean uhh...."stories"....yeah, stories.
Look, Animalman, it wasn't my fault. The Krazy Glue wasn't my idea. I was tricked. They made me use it.
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Well... the Universe that had you as a character was destroyed and we started a new one...
Not Mxy and Mr. Nobody, this is exactly what I was talking about as far as metaphors go. My character in the MBL was a perfect metaphor for my post-DC corporate career.
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Good story, Marc. I trust Rob's hair resembled a bird's nest once the mask was removed, and refused to stick to his scalp despite his best efforts with spit.
Dave, I only wish. Then it would have been perfect. Rob had bigger hair back then, and it was pretty much molded in place with styling gel or some such. The mask alone wasn't enough. We would have needed to run an electric mixer back and forth over his head to get the right effect.
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Only because you are the antithesis of Rob shall I try this book you peddle so shamelessly.
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If you gotta pay for it Marc Ill pick it up...but you can sign it for me!
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Big pimpin' baby! ![[woooOOOOoooo!]](graemlins/smilewoo.gif)
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Are you submitting/have you already submitted something?
I have submitted and been rejected with my first try. All I got was a generic form letter, little to no advice on how to fix the submission.
I plan on resubmitting this and other ideas.
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Rob. Community. Thanks for having me.
So, yes, after a too-long hiatus from the biz, I'm happy to confirm that what Rob says is true. Some foolish publisher has actually agreed to put out a comic of mine.
It's called Northwood Saga. It's a full-blooded fantasy comic -- elves, dwarfs, sorcerers, some fighting, some philosophizing. The humans are the bad guys. I like to think it's different than the typical Marvel fare, but that's what everybody says, so I won't mention it.
If you're so inclined, you can check out the details here...
The Pulse: Slipping over the Transom
Northwood remains at a very early stage of the production gauntlet. That said, I'd be happy to discuss Epic, the biz, the book, embarrassing moments in-house at DC caused/compounded by Rob, or whatever else happens to come up. As we go, I'll be looking for -- no, expecting -- no, demanding -- your feedback. So please give a shout.
Catching up on old DCMB acquaintances. Making new ones. And working once again with Rob. Yes, it's good to be back in the fold.
Marc
Welcome to the Rob Kamphausen boards, Mike!
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marc, do you like gladiator movies?
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Originally posted by theory9:
Only because you are the antithesis of Rob shall I try this book you peddle so shamelessly. ... Big pimpin' baby!
theory9, excellent, many thanks for the support! Re: shameless, you haven't seen anything yet. Wait until the book is actually solicited. TV spots, viral marketing campaign, popup ads, subliminal messaging, mind-altering drugs in water supply.
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If you gotta pay for it Marc Ill pick it up...but you can sign it for me!
Yes! Guilted another one into making a purchase! Pledges to buy book retail: 4! Ongoing series, here I come! Are you sure you want me to sign it, though? Then your copy won't be in mint condition.
But seriously, I really appreciate the support.
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I have submitted and been rejected with my first try. All I got was a generic form letter, little to no advice on how to fix the submission. ... I plan on resubmitting this and other ideas.
Well, I know that feeling. They turned down my first Epic sub. They turned me down at DC when I was working for the company. And book publishers...let me count the ways. Nearly every major American publishing house has turned me down at least once.
My creative baby (not Northwood) started life as a comic book back in 1994-1995. I shopped it around. The reaction was, "You know, this would make a better novel." Fast forward to 2001-2002. I have turned the comic series into a prose novel. I shopped it around. The reaction was, "You know, this would make a better comic." It was then that I finally realized something. Rejection-letter feedback is silly.
Like my Epic rejection letter. It said that I wasn't ready to write for comics. I guess that wasn't true after all. And it certainly wasn't true in and of itself. It's a ridiculous blanket statement. There are all kinds of comic books in the world, not just Marvels. Epic doesn't need to send out a rejection letter on behalf of the entire industry.
So I'm glad you're not going to let Epic discourage you.
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Welcome to the Rob Kamphausen boards, Mike!
Thanks for having me, Brian! But please, call me Marc. I insist. ![[wink]](images/icons/wink.gif)
See, theory9, however shameless these plugs are, they aren't shameless enough.
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I'm gonna buy it too, as soon as it gets here to Chile in 2007.
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marc, do you like gladiator movies?
Atemyshorts, sure, they're OK. I usually like a couple wizards, maybe a dwarf or two in my swordfight movies. I'm more of a Clash of the Titans guy. What about you? Any good ones you can recommend?
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I'm gonna buy it too, as soon as it gets here to Chile in 2007.
Thanks, Not Mxy. I hope it's worth the wait. Say, you're down there in Chupacabra country, right? Any sightings to report?
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Marc Campbell, I wasn't sure you were a real person until just this week. The project you've come up with sounds interesting, and I'll definitely be on the lookout for it. BTW, I was searching on Google for "Marc Campbell" and "MBL" and found a message from the "MessageBoardLeague" Yahoo group which I'm a member of: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessageBoardLeague/message/865 quote:
Posted by mistermxypltk on May 13, 2000:
Since I'm preparing a animated pic of Marc
Campbell (CAMPbell, KAMPphausen, coincidence?) I will post his origin:
Name: Marc Campbell
Ocupation: Moderator
Former Ocupation: Ruler of the DCMB
Powers: Unlimeted powers
History: Marc Campbell was a mild-mannered citizen of the MB-earth, but one day, the Lords of The DCMB offered him the power to keep peace in the MB. Marc used his power wisely, letting people enjoy their lives.
But one day, the Lords decided that Marc's love for humankind was a weakness, so they exiled him from the MB, and choosed another mortal to be the ruler of the MB; Rob Kamphausen.
Marc (still possesing his powers) created a parallel forum in the MB (named "50") to hide himself.
But, without knowing it, the MBL discovered that place, letting Rob know that Marc was still in the MB. Rob and Marc started a battle of epic proportions, that continues to this day...
Ironically enough, the original MBL (sort of) has returned just this week in the 2nd from the bottom forum at this board: Hero Headquarters v2.0
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Hey, TTT, that's quite all right. The only person known for sure to exist is one's own self, according to the philosopher Descartes. Also, I use "hai-fu," or stealth techniques.
That's exactly the post I saw before, the one I mentioned to Not Mxy. So, the battle between the Moderator and Anti-Moderator resulted in the destruction of the entire universe? That was pretty selfish of us. You guys need to be more careful next time. Maybe do a background check before you grant somebody unlimited powers, especially Rob. Read his blog, for crying out loud! Is this who you would make a god? Well, at least most of you seemed to survive the crisis.
I have been following the new MBL adventures on this board. Great stuff! Hats off to all involved. You're plugging directly into pure Story and Entertainment. Who needs comic books?
Thanks for having a look at Northwood when it comes out. I'm up to five -- maybe six -- copies sold in 2004, plus another one in 2007. I break the 10-barrier, and I'm in Liefeld/Fighting American territory.
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Thanks, Not Mxy. I hope it's worth the wait. Say, you're down there in Chupacabra country, right? Any sightings to report?
Every day.
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I have been following the new MBL adventures on this board. Great stuff! Hats off to all involved. You're plugging directly into pure Story and Entertainment. Who needs comic books?
See, that's why we wanted you to be DCMBs mod. Kaufampshen just didn't get it... ![[no no no]](graemlins/nono.gif)
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Well, I'm going to pick up Northwood Saga. This will increase my Epic purchases to 1.
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Me too! But I have a quiet shame. ... I leaf through issues of Trouble at the shop to see if they contain any type of psuedo-porn. ![[who, me?]](graemlins/whome01.gif)
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That's nothing to be ashamed of - I kept Top Cow in business for a few years in the early 90s buying Marc Silvestri-drawn T&A.
Marc, I'll check out your book. I'm back in civilised lands in October, so I'll look for it then.
On the subject of novels, did you go through a literary agent? Most of them sound like utter bastards (not just the ones who want money up front, who I'll avoid). I've got a 250 page novel in the final stages of polishing up, which will be finished by year's end. There are guides of literary agents, but if you know of anyone who is particularly good, I'd be obliged....
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Every day.
Chilean Chupacabra attacks family's ducks
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See, that's why we wanted you to be DCMBs mod. Kaufampshen just didn't get it...
Aww, shucks, thanks, Kristogar. Did Rob kick you off? We were always under a lot of pressure from a certain multinational media conglomerate, so it may not have been his call.
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Well, I'm going to pick up Northwood Saga. This will increase my Epic purchases to 1.
Groovy! Thanks, Disco Steve. I take it you're not crazy about the other announced books. I'd be really interested to hear what you and anyone else might not like about them so I can try to give you something else.
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Me too! But I have a quiet shame.
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I leaf through issues of Trouble at the shop to see if they contain any type of psuedo-porn.
Thanks, woodstock. I should probably announce here that Northwood doesn't contain any porn. I'm surprised Epic picked it up. But maybe that's one thing you guys want? Porn?
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That's nothing to be ashamed of - I kept Top Cow in business for a few years in the early 90s buying Marc Silvestri-drawn T&A.
Marc, I'll check out your book. I'm back in civilised lands in October, so I'll look for it then.
On the subject of novels, did you go through a literary agent? Most of them sound like utter bastards (not just the ones who want money up front, who I'll avoid). I've got a 250 page novel in the final stages of polishing up, which will be finished by year's end. There are guides of literary agents, but if you know of anyone who is particularly good, I'd be obliged....
Dave, thank you kindly. Don't look too hard in October, though. I'm still waiting for final approval on the script. At this stage, the absolute soonest it'll come out is Jan or Feb 2004.
Re: agents, I did try my luck with fiction agents and didn't get very far. Those were the ones who told me that my ms. would make a good comic book. I do have an agent now, and he is actually a decent guy, but all he does is computer books, so I'm not sure if that helps you out. Definitely stay away from those who want any kind of money from you. Real agents work on percentage.
I may be in the position to meet some literary agents when things finally start moving at Marvel. I'll keep you posted.
Can you share any details about your book? I promise I'll only steal your idea if I really like it. And where are you now if not in civilized lands?
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I like elves.
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thats what im sayin.....
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Chilean Chupacabra attacks family's ducks
I was hungry...
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I was hungry...
But that would mean you're really the... the... ?!
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Groovy! Thanks, Disco Steve. I take it you're not crazy about the other announced books. I'd be really interested to hear what you and anyone else might not like about them so I can try to give you something else.
I think what Epic needs is more books written by people I vaguely know. :)
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I was hungry...
But that would mean you're really the... the... ?!
Careful there! I ate those ducks because they were on to me.
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I'll check this out, but so far it's the only Epic book I intend to flip through, let alone actually buy.
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Well, I gotta admit, I wasn't going to pick up Northwood, due to not being interested in this type of story. But Marc, you've been a helluva guy so far, and, well, my girlfriend likes the fantasy-type books, so I'll be picking it up, in hopes that you'll buy mine if it ever comes out (or you could buy the mini comics for sale on my website when my lazy ass puts up the paypal link).
I've been getting rejections for years now, and I enjoy them sometimes. But at this point I can't ever see a point where I'll stop trying to make comics, either on my own or if I can sell an idea.
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