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Originally posted by Marc Campbell:
She also wants most of the narrative captions to go. Narrative captions ("Meanwhile, in Gotham City...") have fallen out of favor in comics.
Seems comics are becoming as cinematic as possible. Soon they'll be speaking... INTO OUR MINDS.
I've come to find sound effects a bit irritating nowadays when the art makes it obvious that a gun is going off or somesuch.
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Marc has mentioned declarative dialogue. For the future giants of modern prose amongst us who want some additional tips on literary techniques, check this out: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_speech
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There's a little dwarf on elf love, but it happens between the panels. You should feel free to insert the elf babe into whatever fantasies you like.
I hope no one from Marvel is following this thread.
heh, you said insert.....
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Dude, so did you! :lol:
LOL, I completely missed that one. OK, I'll rephrase...
Please feel free to erect whatever fantasies you like about the elf babe.
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Originally posted by Disco Steve:
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She also wants most of the narrative captions to go. Narrative captions ("Meanwhile, in Gotham City...") have fallen out of favor in comics.
Seems comics are becoming as cinematic as possible. Soon they'll be speaking... INTO OUR MINDS.
I've come to find sound effects a bit irritating nowadays when the art makes it obvious that a gun is going off or somesuch.
Yeah, she didn't say anything about the sound effects. They can come in handy, though. If you have someone shooting five or six gunshots in one panel, the picture itself might not be enough.
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Marc...any chance of working this guy in? 
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He looks like he's getting a good working over as it is.
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Marc...any chance of working this guy in?
I don't think a two page splash will be able to show all of him. Maybe a fold out cover or something.
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Sure, I might be able to work him in... 
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Originally posted by Marc Campbell:
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She also wants most of the narrative captions to go. Narrative captions ("Meanwhile, in Gotham City...") have fallen out of favor in comics.
Seems comics are becoming as cinematic as possible. Soon they'll be speaking... INTO OUR MINDS.
I've come to find sound effects a bit irritating nowadays when the art makes it obvious that a gun is going off or somesuch.
Yeah, she didn't say anything about the sound effects. They can come in handy, though. If you have someone shooting five or six gunshots in one panel, the picture itself might not be enough.
Yep, which is why sound effects haven't become archaic yet.
I think it's more fun to work one's way around the sound effects so one doesn't have any... I like challenges like that.
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She also wants most of the narrative captions to go. Narrative captions ("Meanwhile, in Gotham City...") have fallen out of favor in comics.
Seems comics are becoming as cinematic as possible. Soon they'll be speaking... INTO OUR MINDS.
I've come to find sound effects a bit irritating nowadays when the art makes it obvious that a gun is going off or somesuch.
Yeah, she didn't say anything about the sound effects. They can come in handy, though. If you have someone shooting five or six gunshots in one panel, the picture itself might not be enough.
Yep, which is why sound effects haven't become archaic yet.
I think it's more fun to work one's way around the sound effects so one doesn't have any... I like challenges like that.
I'm sure Year Man wouldn't agree with you....
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Mxy's to blame for Year Man. It's all his fault.
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Originally posted by Marc Campbell:
Sure, I might be able to work him in...
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I think it's more fun to work one's way around the sound effects so one doesn't have any... I like challenges like that.
OK, how would you do the six gunshots thing?
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I'm sure Year Man wouldn't agree with you....
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Mxy's to blame for Year Man. It's all his fault.
Uh...right! Yep. That's the way I see it.
(Who is Year Man?)
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I think it's more fun to work one's way around the sound effects so one doesn't have any... I like challenges like that.
OK, how would you do the six gunshots thing?
Panel 1: Shot of the shooter... shooting. Burst of fire (what the hell do you call that?) from the gun, etc.
Panel 2: Victim being hit by bullets in six areas, splash of blood, etc.
How's that?
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I'm sure Year Man wouldn't agree with you....
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Mxy's to blame for Year Man. It's all his fault.
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Uh...right! Yep. That's the way I see it.
(Who is Year Man?)
http://yearman.keenspace.com/
Mxy and I started an online comic... never finished.
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I'm sure Year Man wouldn't agree with you....
Actually, that was all my fault...
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Mxy's to blame for Year Man. It's all his fault.
HOW DARE YOU THROW THAT TO MY FACE!
That's it, the engagement's off.
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I CAN CHANGE MXY! I CAN CHANGE!
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Hey, guys, sorry for the delay. Computer book nonsense is killin' me this week.
Mxy and Disco, I followed the link to your site. Your comic ain't gonna finish itself. Tell me now of Year Man, and I'll get on your case about not finishing.
Disco, good job with the SFX challenge so far. Now what if all six shots missed? Because it's Spidey who's getting shot at. By the way, he's in a warehouse, and the wall that stops the bullets recedes into darkness...
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And now for a general annoucement. Looks like I'm going to be doing a regular column on the ComiX-Fan Web site about writing tips. It's called "Under the Hood" (a no-prize to the first person who places the reference before Wednesday when the first column goes up). I'm not qualified to write a column about writing good comic books, but that's the whole point. It's "the rookie leading the blind," as I like to say. I may not have much great wisdom to share, but I know all about trial and error. Especially error. So come Wednesday October 1, please feel free to stop by ComiX-Fan and check out my latest shameless self-promotion. And hey, why not register and post a hello while you're at it. But, please, I beg you. For the love of God, do not under any circumstances start in with any of the following: 1. Sex or propositions for same 2. Pictures of community members 3. Insults 4. Typical Rob Board community standards Don't get me wrong. I love this stuff, and I love Rob, and I love you guys, too. That's why I'm here, not there, on a daily basis. But on ComiX-Fan, my editors will be reading. So my career is now very much in your hands. Blackmailers, take note. Bribe requests will be considered. Thank you.
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But, please, I beg you. For the love of God, do not under any circumstances start in with any of the following:
1. Sex or propositions for same
2. Pictures of community members
3. Insults
4. Typical Rob Board community standards
Does that mean we can end a post with those?
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It's no legion World.
Then, again, neither are you.
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It's called "Under the Hood" (a no-prize to the first person who places the reference before Wednesday when the first column goes up).
Watchmen. It's the title of Hollis Mason's autobiography.
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Mxy and Disco, I followed the link to your site. Your comic ain't gonna finish itself. Tell me now of Year Man, and I'll get on your case about not finishing.
Year Man was about a fellow who gets superpowers, but then finds out he has a year to live. It's more of a description (like "Dr. Who") than an actual name.
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Disco, good job with the SFX challenge so far. Now what if all six shots missed? Because it's Spidey who's getting shot at. By the way, he's in a warehouse, and the wall that stops the bullets recedes into darkness...
PANEL 1
We're in a dark warehouse. Frank Castle, in a teenage girl's homecoming dress, is shooting upwards, the gunfire illuminating his face like kids when they position flashlights under their chin when they tell ghost stories. Scary stuff.
PUNISHER: Dog my cats, you little mountebank wanker!
PANEL 2
We're looking down at Spider-Man webslinging across the warehouse. His penis is bulging. Six bullets coming from Punisher's gun are missing Spider-Man. The bullets are flying at an angle so that they would hit the wall across from Punisher.
SPIDER-MAN: Ah-ha! You sir, are a sub-par marksman and are like a bowlerdized children's novel in the bedroom.
PANEL 3
As bullets hit it, the walls of the warehouse "recede into darkness?" I don't quite get that.
I'm pretty sure it's a bit incoherent, but it should make at least a bit of sense.
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It's called "Under the Hood" (a no-prize to the first person who places the reference before Wednesday when the first column goes up).
Watchmen. It's the title of Hollis Mason's autobiography.
And here I thought it had something to do with the Klan.
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Hey, everyone. I'm back again briefly, and then I must return to good, wholesome work. Ah, work! My favorite!
Gary, you're right, it's no Legion World.
Doc, I'm impressed. From one post, you can infer the exact opposite of my intent using my own words and then connect me to the Klan. That's a rare talent indeed! You oughtta consider a run for Senate.
Grimm, you are correct! The no-prize is yours! Congrats!
Disco, great dialog! Sorry about the confusion about the receding wall. I was in a hurry when I wrote that. What I meant to imply was that you can't see the wall -- it's draped in shadows or something. So you can't show the six bullet holes in the wall as a way of counting six bullets. Care to resubmit your entry?
Now Disco and Mxy, I think your comic book is an interesting concept, definitely worth doing. But as I suggested before, the Comic Book Elves aren't going to come along in the night and do it for you. When you open up most comic books, you might notice near the beginning a list of names. These are called credits. The credits tell you who created the comic book. That's right -- actual humans are involved. I hope this doesn't spoil the mystery for you. While we're on the subject, you know Santa Claus? He isn't real either.
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Disco, great dialog! Sorry about the confusion about the receding wall. I was in a hurry when I wrote that. What I meant to imply was that you can't see the wall -- it's draped in shadows or something. So you can't show the six bullet holes in the wall as a way of counting six bullets. Care to resubmit your entry?
PANEL 1
We're in a dark warehouse. Frank Castle, in a teenage girl's homecoming dress, is shooting upwards, the gunfire illuminating his face like kids when they position flashlights under their chin when they tell ghost stories. Scary stuff.
PUNISHER: Dog my cats, you little mountebank wanker!
PANEL 2
We're looking down at Spider-Man webslinging across the warehouse. His penis is bulging. Six bullets (with the yellow/orange lines following them) coming from Punisher's gun are missing Spider-Man. The bullets are flying at an angle so that they would hit the wall across from Mr. The Punisher.
SPIDER-MAN: Ah-ha! You sir, are a sub-par marksman and are like a bowlerdized children's novel in the bedroom.
There we go. Got rid of panel 3, put a bit in panel 2.
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Now Disco and Mxy, I think your comic book is an interesting concept, definitely worth doing. But as I suggested before, the Comic Book Elves aren't going to come along in the night and do it for you. When you open up most comic books, you might notice near the beginning a list of names. These are called credits. The credits tell you who created the comic book. That's right -- actual humans are involved. I hope this doesn't spoil the mystery for you. While we're on the subject, you know Santa Claus? He isn't real either.
Year Man is on the back burner, pending retooling.
We used to have our names on the site, but there's that problem of me not knowing how to format the page back in the day.
Year Man will probably be saved for some other point. Mxy claims no rights after 2056.
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Six bullets (with the yellow/orange lines following them) coming from Punisher's gun are missing Spider-Man.
I dunno...if you have more than three or four "strobe effect" gun barrels, like the Punisher is moving the gun rapid fire, shooting at different angles, your panel starts to get cluttered. But the dialog and the anatomical notes to the penciler are faultless.
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Year Man will probably be saved for some other point. Mxy claims no rights after 2056.
Great, just in time for my first issue to hit the stores.
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Six bullets (with the yellow/orange lines following them) coming from Punisher's gun are missing Spider-Man.
I dunno...if you have more than three or four "strobe effect" gun barrels, like the Punisher is moving the gun rapid fire, shooting at different angles, your panel starts to get cluttered.
Hm... Possibly. I kinda like the cluttering of the panel with yellow/orange lines, with the character just barely dodging them.
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Thanks.
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Great, just in time for my first issue to hit the stores.
Ooh, competition.
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heya mc... so, are there any sorta weird rules about writing an epic book? i remember, a long time ago, you and i discussing all the odd "can't do's" of the BTAS cartoon. for example, while on the fox network, they were never allowed to show shattering glass. you could hear it, then see it later on the floor, but they couldn't show the shards flying. odd. so, are there equally weird restrictions for your book? are you allowed to have weird sex scenes, like here? are you not allowed to look joe q directly in the face? are there certain topics you have to bypass (9-11 type stuff)?
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Hm... Possibly. I kinda like the cluttering of the panel with yellow/orange lines, with the character just barely dodging them.
This would only work, I think, if you didn't see the gun in the panel. Otherwise, the gun has to follow the lines, and then you get the clutter. If I were you, I might add a panel between 1 and 2 showing Spider-Man creeping up and Punisher training his gun on him. This would give you the opportunity for more snappy dialog. If the dialog includes something about reloading his hollow-tips, then the reader will know those lines aren't laser beams, plus get a pretty good idea of what Frank's wife thought about him in bed.
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heya mc...
so, are there any sorta weird rules about writing an epic book? i remember, a long time ago, you and i discussing all the odd "can't do's" of the BTAS cartoon. for example, while on the fox network, they were never allowed to show shattering glass. you could hear it, then see it later on the floor, but they couldn't show the shards flying.
odd.
so, are there equally weird restrictions for your book? are you allowed to have weird sex scenes, like here? are you not allowed to look joe q directly in the face? are there certain topics you have to bypass (9-11 type stuff)?
Hey, Rob. No, I don't know of any rules per se. Then again, Epic doesn't necessarily know what's fair or foul until somebody does it, and then they ask you not to do it anymore.
I do know the guy who's writing Phantom Jack was just asked to take out some language at the last minute. I can't help but think that this is fallout from the Avengers script you mentioned. Marvel's shareholders seem to like PG material. Not for any moral reasons, but because it sells better.
When Epic was first announced, they were looking only for PG scripts. A couple months later, they expanded that to include R-rated scripts. I would give mine an R for violence. I wouldn't call Northwood a gore fest, but when that dwarf gets to swinging his axe, he doesn't give out little love taps. So maybe I'll be asked to tone this down now. It's the story of the world's angriest dwarf. Get him mad, and he'll...he'll...he'll give you a very nasty look.
TV and censorship go hand in hand. Far more people watch TV. Plus, it's free. So WB is extra careful about content control there. By the way, did you catch the new Smallville? Clark and Lana riding a motorcycle without a helmet! That was a definite no-no back in the days when I was dealing with WB standards and practices.
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Hm... Possibly. I kinda like the cluttering of the panel with yellow/orange lines, with the character just barely dodging them.
This would only work, I think, if you didn't see the gun in the panel. Otherwise, the gun has to follow the lines, and then you get the clutter. If I were you, I might add a panel between 1 and 2 showing Spider-Man creeping up and Punisher training his gun on him. This would give you the opportunity for more snappy dialog. If the dialog includes something about reloading his hollow-tips, then the reader will know those lines aren't laser beams, plus get a pretty good idea of what Frank's wife thought about him in bed.
Thanks for the advice. Here's the new draft!
PANEL 1
Side shot. Punisher firing his gun for no apparent reason. Gunfire illuminating his face. Big phallic cigarette in his mouth. Spikey codpiece... I'm thinking we have an opportunity for a Marvel Select "Spikey Codpiece Punisher" figure here.
PUNISHER: I love cats! You are not a cat! You are dead!
PANEL 2
In front of Punisher. He's firing at us. Spider-Man is behind him. We can see Spider-Man's head over Punisher's shoulder. Punisher is surprised as Spidey talks.
SPIDER-MAN: Do you ever reload that thing? Christ! This isn't Army of Darkness, you know.
PANEL 3
Spider-Man dodging several lines of gunfire.
SPIDER-MAN: I'm sexually attracted to earthquakes!
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Disco, good job. I sense a David Lynch vibe in your dialog. Have you ever seen Twin Peaks? You were probably just an urchin when it was on TV. Here's the next "avoid the sound effect" challenge.
Pick a character with a full face mask so you can't show his/her facial expression. This character is trying to open a safe by figuring out the tumbler combination. The character's ear is pressed against the safe door, or maybe there's a stethoscope involved. It doesn't matter.
Anyway, in one panel, communicate to the reader that the character has successfully turned the right combination without showing the safe door opening or having a CLICK sound effect. Extra points if the character is UNABLE TO SPEAK.
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Disco, good job. I sense a David Lynch vibe in your dialog. Have you ever seen Twin Peaks? You were probably just an urchin when it was on TV.
I wish I did... I've never seen a David Lynch anything.
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Pick a character with a full face mask so you can't show his/her facial expression. This character is trying to open a safe by figuring out the tumbler combination. The character's ear is pressed against the safe door, or maybe there's a stethoscope involved. It doesn't matter.
Anyway, in one panel, communicate to the reader that the character has successfully turned the right combination without showing the safe door opening or having a CLICK sound effect. Extra points if the character is UNABLE TO SPEAK.
PAGE 1
Panel 1
We're in COBRA sperm bank meant for reproducing thousands of nondescript soldiers with poor marksmanship, in an office.
Panel 2
A vent is suspended in midair, having fallen from the ceiling.
Panel 3
Same as Panel 1.
Panel 4
Snake Eyes descends from the ceiling, sword in hand, ready to slash up anything symmetrically and indescriminately.
Panel 5
Snake Eyes poses, because this is a liscenced comic, so he HAS to do a cool pose or our 12-year old demographic will lose interest. The nostalgic Gen-Xers will buy this crap regardless.
VOICE (op, coming from above, in the venilation ducts): All clear, Snake?
Panel 6
Tunnel Rat descends from the ceiling.
TUNNEL RAT: You know, they all say you're some kind of creepy nutcase, but I think you're good company, personally.
PAGE 2
Panel 1
Shot of a safe.
TUNNEL RAT (OP): That must be it. You open it. I'll look for food. I am one hungry Asian stereotype.
Panel 2
We're behind Snake Eyes as he approaches the safe, slightly crouched, since he's a ninja and ninjas never walk straight.
Panel 3
Close up on Snake Eyes' hand turning the dial, his head pressed against the door of the safe.
Panel 4
Snake Eyes giving a "thumbs up" gesture, ear still against the safe door.
Panel 5
Tunnel Rat entering the room, eating a candy bar.
TUNNEL RAT: You get it?
Panel 6
Tunnel Rat's POV. Snake Eyes is turned to him, holding up a vial.
TUNNEL RAT: Don't look so proud. That's disgusting.
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Disco, good job (or thumbs up, I should say).
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Thank you sir. I hope you enjoyed reading it as much as I enjoyed writing it.
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For general consumption:
As you may be aware, a number of strange things are happening over at Marvel. It looks like Publisher Jemas is history. It looks like Epic Comics, Jemas' baby, is restructuring. And it looks like Peter Parker might be the clone after all.
A-ha! Caught you on that last one!
For better or worse, it looks like Northwood Saga has survived whatever vortex is swirling about the Marvel offices. My most recent intelligence (i.e. Friday afternoon) indicates that the book is still on track for 2004.
Under what logo, who knows? Marvel? Epic? I don't have a clue. What does this mean for you if you want to pitch to Epic? Again, I don't know.
This is the best update I can give at this time, but, hey, we've gone to war for less.
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Good to hear. At least the "Still Being Published" part.
I hope to be published one day...
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