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If you want to sue him for breach of contract, let me know.
Personally, I'd be on the Me-too bandwagon in a flash.
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It isn't Power Pack is it?
Joe Q and myself already have a top secret power pack graphic novel in the works, but you didn't hear that from me....
Power Pack lost me when they all switched powers. I was hurt and confused.
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If you want to sue him for breach of contract, let me know.
Personally, I'd be on the Me-too bandwagon in a flash.
I'll take it under advisement, Dave. Thanks.
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Ack! Actually I was referring to bsams and the Power Pack deal with Joe Q, not you!
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Right. My reply wasn't clear. I was taking your Image thoughts under advisement.
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Update: Top Cow has passed. They're not accepting unsolicited creator-owned proposals at this time.
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Update: Top Cow has passed. They're not accepting unsolicited creator-owned proposals at this time.
Top Cow publishes Witchblade. Seems they're not ones for making good decisions.
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Things will be different at Marvel after I join the company as a humble mailroom worker and, through dilligence and hard graft, climb the corporate ladder until I reach the lofty position of Supreme President.
Oh yes. And on that day, Spiderman, you will begin a lengthy story arc in which every character that has ever appeared in a Marvel publication gets to beat the shit out of you.
And Marc Campbell, you shall have Greenland, to do with as you wish.
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Can I have Papua New Guinea?
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And so a deal was forged. Marc Campbell offered his firstborn to the dark god backwards7, and in time he received Greenland, home of the indomitable Northern spirit, to populate with the woodland nymphs of his psyche.
Thanks for stickin' up for me, guys. Disco, re: Witchblade, I know, I know. But you can't fault them on their business logic. That Marc Campbell name ain't gonna sell many comic books by itself.
Epic was truly a fluke in the sense that anybody could have a shot at a book. You didn't need to have a build-in audience, because the Marvel brand already has its built-in audience. So I think what's going to happen now is that I pay some dues on superhero books. Start building a readership. Maybe.
I must confess, I have also been thinking about going manga. Market conditions more favorable. Comfort level with the fantasy genre. Tolerance of sprawling, multivolume epics. My scripts are pretty visual as is, so no real change to my approach. Maybe?
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Can I have Papua New Guinea?
Otisville? ![[izzat so?]](graemlins/zatso.gif)
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My very late response to Marc: quote:
Thanks, Grimm, tho I'm not sure what I did!
Sometimes it's good just to have someone to bounce ideas off of and say "I'm considering this, what do you think?" or "Does this seem like a good prospect to you?" and when you can get an actual response, it's very gratifying.
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Anyway, I thought of ya the other day, and, no, not in the wet dream kind of way for once.
requisite * tee hee!*
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I was reading this interview with Michael Chabon, Pulitzer Prize winner for Kavalier and Clay. He wants to work in television, and he can't seem to get steady work. Unreal. The guy has Pulitzer, and he's basically knocking on doors in Hollywood. So if prose was his ticket into TV, maybe he should have thought twice.
I have no idea what Chabon's thinking. TV, for the most part, seems to me a very anti-literate medium for the most part (ironic, given it's expanse in the fifties using literary authors) and has always been very subject to heavy handed control from sponsors. I would think he'd have better luck attempting screenplays or writing more novels. But if that's what he wants, hey. . .
As for positive examples of prose to comics transition, I will offer two: Greg Rucka and Brad Meltzer. Rucka's series of books did well enough to get him noticed by DC, and Meltzer is a NYTimes #1 bestseller. So, it can happen. Even Stephen King and Clive Barker have dabbled in comics (though they haven't actually written any).
I dunno. There are projects in my head that I see as comics, some that I see as novels, and some as possible screenplays. I love comics, but I would like to try other things also. (and with prose, it's all on me. Don't have to worry about other people to get the work done.)
The Doctor and I are actually currently talking about doing our B Team characters as a computer animation. I'd love to be able to get that as a show on Comedy Central or Cartoon Network.
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Thanks for stickin' up for me, guys. Disco, re: Witchblade, I know, I know. But you can't fault them on their business logic. That Marc Campbell name ain't gonna sell many comic books by itself.
You'll at least have one loyal reader...
I dunno about manga... usually Americans who work in it are loathed by the manga-readers and the Western-oriented readers alike. But that's just what I've seen.
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marc, have you ever seen a grown man naked?
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The Doctor and I are actually currently talking about doing our B Team characters as a computer animation. I'd love to be able to get that as a show on Comedy Central or Cartoon Network.
Well, good luck, you guys. That's the way to do it. Think like a shark. Keep swimmin'.
To pass the time while I wait to hear back on Northwood, I've been kicking around this other fantasy idea of mine. I got a good start on it as prose, and I have the same amount of it in comic script form, but I don't have the time to spend on it right now because I have a couple computer books.
You heard it here first. I have just complained that my published work is getting in the way of my longshot fiction projects.
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You'll at least have one loyal reader...
Check's in mail.
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I dunno about manga... usually Americans who work in it are loathed by the manga-readers and the Western-oriented readers alike. But that's just what I've seen.
Very true. That has crossed my mind.
Who reads manga, anyway? Personally I don't know anybody who does. Yet it's selling like comics used to, or so they say. Disco, you're in high school. You're hip to all the grooviest jive. Who is reading manga?
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marc, have you ever seen a grown man naked?
bsams, you know you're more experienced than me. Why do you keep rubbing it in?
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Otisville?
Miss TessMACHER! ![[AAAHHHH!!!]](graemlins/aahhh.gif)
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The Doctor and I are actually currently talking about doing our B Team characters as a computer animation. I'd love to be able to get that as a show on Comedy Central or Cartoon Network.
Yeah. So if there is anybody out there who knows anything about computer animation, like... uh..... how to do it, just drop us a line. ![[gulp!]](gulp.gif)
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marc, have you ever seen a grown man naked?
bsams, you know you're more experienced than me. Why do you keep rubbing it in?
I think that was more of an offer, Marc.
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So if there is anybody out there who knows anything about computer animation, like... uh..... how to do it, just drop us a line.
As it happens, I wrote a book about this, but it's limited to Flash/Shockwave, so you're talkin' 2D stuff. If you want to do 3D animation like they have in the movies, Playstation, and Spider-Man on MTV, I can't help ya.
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I dunno about manga... usually Americans who work in it are loathed by the manga-readers and the Western-oriented readers alike. But that's just what I've seen.
Very true. That has crossed my mind.
Who reads manga, anyway? Personally I don't know anybody who does. Yet it's selling like comics used to, or so they say. Disco, you're in high school. You're hip to all the grooviest jive. Who is reading manga?
Most of the manga readers are (naturally) the weird anime geeks and video gamers that everyone else finds socially embarassing and weird. These are the same people that would have been playing Dungeons and Dragons twenty years ago, and tend to like Lord of the Rings, Final Fantasy, etc., so there is a possible market there.
I'm sure there are people like me, the comic book fans who also enjoy manga because, to them there isn't a difference (manga is the Japanese word for comics, not their word for comics that originate in their country).
When Marvel Tsunami began less than a year ago, a few of my (idiot) Otaku friends had things to say like "Dude, this is like American rip-offs of manga," so that's probably what they would say about the Northwood Saga, unless you got a bona-fide manga artist (as in a real Japanse person) to work on it. At least, that's my theory. I'm probably severely biased against anime fans.
On a related note, I find it ironic that the comic artists who draw Japanese-style are obviously fans, and it's their Otaku bretheren that show the most disdain for their work. I must remember to point that out to a friend the next time the topic comes up. My "No one ever says 'Hey, that guy's ripping off Cubism'" argument can only go so far...
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This wouldn't be for Northwood Saga. Northwood wouldn't work as a manga at all. I have another fantasy idea, though, that's much sunnier, with a younger cast. I didn't intend for it to be a manga, but I think it might work as one. I'm not super crazy about the manga look, though. In fact, that's one of the things that bugs me most about western comics. So that I'm even considering it as a possible manga pretty much ruins my chances of ever joining Pearl Jam.
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So if there is anybody out there who knows anything about computer animation, like... uh..... how to do it, just drop us a line.
As it happens, I wrote a book about this, but it's limited to Flash/Shockwave, so you're talkin' 2D stuff. If you want to do 3D animation like they have in the movies, Playstation, and Spider-Man on MTV, I can't help ya.
Marc, could you please stop trying to sell me your damn books. ![[wink]](images/icons/wink.gif)
Actually, I'm interested in anything. One thing I've though of doing is just having our own website if we can't sell it to a network. So a flash version would be good also. I'm just not computer literate enough to do this shit myself. Take your shaders, volumetric lighting, and what-nots elsewheres. I don't know nuthin' 'bout nuthin'.
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This wouldn't be for Northwood Saga. Northwood wouldn't work as a manga at all. I have another fantasy idea, though, that's much sunnier, with a younger cast. I didn't intend for it to be a manga, but I think it might work as one. I'm not super crazy about the manga look, though. In fact, that's one of the things that bugs me most about western comics. So that I'm even considering it as a possible manga pretty much ruins my chances of ever joining Pearl Jam.
Ah, I see. I think the problem with Japanese-styled art in Western comics is that it's used when there isn't much reason for it. One of those artistic things. For example, Japanese art would not be good for Watchmen, but might work for my as yet unwritten X-51: The Machine Man ReduXXX proposal.
I'm begging you to explain that Pearl Jam reference. As much as I like the band, what you just said is an enigma to me.
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Marc, could you please stop trying to sell me your damn books.
Oh, no! The intervention! It has finally come to this. I guess I better sign up for that twelve-step program "Hustlers Anonymous."
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Actually, I'm interested in anything. One thing I've though of doing is just having our own website if we can't sell it to a network. So a flash version would be good also. I'm just not computer literate enough to do this shit myself. Take your shaders, volumetric lighting, and what-nots elsewheres. I don't know nuthin' 'bout nuthin'.
I'm only vaguely aware about how TV shows get made. Do you need to produce the thing yourself, or is it possible to send a script or a treatment around, get a budget behind you, and then hire some graphics people?
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I'm begging you to explain that Pearl Jam reference. As much as I like the band, what you just said is an enigma to me.
Right. Well, they have a rep of being artistically uncompromised. If I dislike the anime look, but that isn't stopping me from thinking about working in manga, I'd say I've given my muse grounds for divorce.
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Ah. I thought you meant you were going to publish every draft of everything you ever write, then cross out, then rewrite. Or boycott Borders.
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Oh, no! The intervention! It has finally come to this. I guess I better sign up for that twelve-step program "Hustlers Anonymous."
Here, have some alcohol. It's better for you.
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I'm only vaguely aware about how TV shows get made. Do you need to produce the thing yourself, or is it possible to send a script or a treatment around, get a budget behind you, and then hire some graphics people?
Actually, the normal way to put together a pitch with artwork (for animated shows, that is) to show to a network. But because a) I can't draw worth a shit and b) I want to create some buzz before hand, I'd like to be able to do a few shows to show around on the con circuit or even online to build up some ground roots fan support. The guys at Homestar Runner did this even though they have decided to keep it strictly online. I, on the other hand, am a whore and am willing to sell myself and ideas. Cheap.
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Things will be different at Marvel after I join the company as a humble mailroom worker and, through dilligence and hard graft, climb the corporate ladder until I reach the lofty position of Supreme President.
Oh yes. And on that day, Spiderman, you will begin a lengthy story arc in which every character that has ever appeared in a Marvel publication gets to beat the shit out of you.
And Marc Campbell, you shall have Greenland, to do with as you wish.
I have from time to time touted a plan that we get enough people to buy shares in Marvel that we elect on of us to the board of directors. One of the problems in being listed is that shareholders can give you grief.
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Slut!
This coming from a lawyer. Which are you? The pot or the kettle?
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I, on the other hand, am a whore and am willing to sell myself and ideas. Cheap.
I am willing to sell the doctor and his ideas also. Make me an offer.
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Slut!
This coming from a lawyer. Which are you? The pot or the kettle?
I'm the midnight oil!
The more i think about this idea of buying MArvel shares the more I like it. We can pout questions to the ir Annual General Meeting about why Marc's story was canned.
Shall we all go and buy some shares? Instead of buying Marvel comics for a month, go and buy their shares instead? That way we'll literally own a piece of the company.
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Ah. I thought you meant you were going to publish every draft of everything you ever write, then cross out, then rewrite. Or boycott Borders.
Eddie Vedder = Cowboy from old west. Proof:
Ah seem to recognize yer face/Haun-ting famili-er, can't seem to place it/Cannot find the candle o'thought/T'light yer name/Life times'r catchin' up with me.
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I, on the other hand, am a whore and am willing to sell myself and ideas. Cheap.
Another thing we have in common.
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I, on the other hand, am a whore and am willing to sell myself and ideas. Cheap.
I am willing to sell the doctor and his ideas also. Make me an offer.
Is kissing allowed?
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The more i think about this idea of buying MArvel shares the more I like it. We can pout questions to the ir Annual General Meeting about why Marc's story was canned.
I can tell you that. It's probably not brilliant work. Also, more importantly, Marvel didn't own it outright, and they didn't think that acquiring it would bring them enough profit. They have this agreement called a New Character Deal, which basically cuts the creator in on a (small) slice of whatever their creation, acquired by Marvel, produces in the marketplace. At last count, Northwood would have required about twenty New Character Deals. That, or their lawyer would have to draw up a special contract that gave them the Northwood and everything in it. But just a few extra hours of legal work would consume whatever profits Marvel hoped to realize from it.
Dave, I just made that whole thing up. The New Character Deal exists, but I really don't know how it applies to me, since we never got to the stage of actual paperwork being produced. What I'd like to know is, why did they even pick Northwood up to begin with.
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Shall we all go and buy some shares? Instead of buying Marvel comics for a month, go and buy their shares instead? That way we'll literally own a piece of the company.
That appeals to me. But I'm at the low ebb of the freelance cycle at present. I'm waiting for the next infusion of cash. It goes like this: (1) Work like mad while starving. (2) Get paid. (3) Buy food. I'm in #1 at present. Two computer books simultaneously. I am going quite mad. Not that anyone could tell the difference, I'm sure.
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I think we should start soome sort of groundswell thing, called, "Make Marvel Mine!"
Everyone should post on message boards the idea of buying Marvel shares so fans can exercise control over the company. Especially since one share is the about cost of one of their comics.
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Dave, your ideas intrigue me. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter. quote:
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That's downright frightening, sir.
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