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DC Comics has just announced that Grant Morrison has just signed a two-year exclusive contract with them. There is no news on how this affects his existing Marvel work. The superstar writer is supposed to be working on a Vertigo project with Frank Quitely which will be announced officially in Chicago. He's also working on a DC Universe book, but DC would not comment which series or characters yet.
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I hope he stays as far away from Superman as possible, otherwise that character's going to be tarnished forever.
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Too late, chief. He's been tarnished for a long time. Morrison could only make him better.
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Dan DiDio has said on multiple occasions that he intends to have Morrison on Superman. Infact, as many have speculated, that's probably exactly why he signed this contract.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
I hope he stays as far away from Superman as possible, otherwise that character's going to be tarnished forever.
The Jurgens and Loeb-era crews have already tarnished Superman beyond all belief (and this isn't even counting Byrne's watering the character down beforehand). There isn't much more DC can do to screw the character up.
As for DiDio wanting Morrison on Superman...nice wish, but I doubt it'll happen. DC seems determined to bury Waid--who as Morrison's partner on the 1999 Superman proposal--with the whole Birthright/Byrne reissue mess. If they aren't going to cut Waid any slack, Morrison won't fare any better. Stick him on Batman or Green Lantern or Aquaman, says I. At least he'd actually stand a chance of cutting loose on those characters.
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Your emporer is a hack who hasn't done good work since the 1980s. In case I'm being too vague, I'm talking about John "Spider-Man: Chapter One" Byrne.
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Your emporer is a hack who hasn't done good work since the 1980s. In case I'm being too vague, I'm talking about John "Spider-Man: Chapter One" Byrne.
You keep thinking that this is about one man's work, when it's about the concept, not the name on the credit box.
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Two words: Hyper-fucking-Crisis!
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Hmm. I like some of Morrison's work, hate some of the rest. I wonder if he would be given Green Lantern?
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Your emporer is a hack who hasn't done good work since the 1980s. In case I'm being too vague, I'm talking about John "Spider-Man: Chapter One" Byrne.
You keep thinking that this is about one man's work, when it's about the concept, not the name on the credit box.
No, I like the writer. Go to hell. I fhe does something bad, I'll admit it. In fact, his New X-Men hasn't been flawless lately. "Murder at the Mansion." What the hell was that? Professor X could have solved the whole thing.
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He's also working on a DC Universe book, but DC would not comment which series or characters yet.
I get the feeling it's Superman. Woo-hoo!
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So let's see... ideal situation:
Superman is cancelled after #200. Adventures of Superman reverts to its original title, Superman. Starting in January, Kurt Busiek takes over Action Comics, and Grant Morrison takes over the newly christened Superman.
Action Comics is turned into an anthology book with a 22 page lead (regular Superman stories), and it gets a 12 page back-up that Busiek also writes, featuring auxilliary members of the Superman family. The back-ups have roatating art teams.
Superman becomes the be all end all book. Morrison teams up with a great artist, and together they make amazing comic book creative love.
What would also rock is if Morrison gets back on JLA for #200.. wooooo...
Actually, strike that as the ideal situation. The ideal situation is Morrison following Seagle on Superman, Busiek following Kelly on Action (with the new backups), and... Birthright being accepted as true Superman continuity... so Waid gets AoS. This all happens the month after Birthright ends, though. The current teams can have another year of crap before being relieved.
Well hold on... what if this unnamed DCU book Morrison is working on is nothing other than Hypercrisis, or something to that affect?
Ok... I need to slow down now...
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Your emporer is a hack who hasn't done good work since the 1980s. In case I'm being too vague, I'm talking about John "Spider-Man: Chapter One" Byrne.
You keep thinking that this is about one man's work, when it's about the concept, not the name on the credit box.
No, I like the writer. Go to hell. I fhe does something bad, I'll admit it. In fact, his New X-Men hasn't been flawless lately. "Murder at the Mansion." What the hell was that? Professor X could have solved the whole thing.
Maybe he just didn't feel like it?
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Kurt Busiek takes over Action Comics, and Grant Morrison takes over the newly christened Superman.
Well, at least I'd have reason to read Action than.
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Originally posted by Disco Steve:
Your emporer is a hack who hasn't done good work since the 1980s. In case I'm being too vague, I'm talking about John "Spider-Man: Chapter One" Byrne.
You keep thinking that this is about one man's work, when it's about the concept, not the name on the credit box.
No, I like the writer. Go to hell. I fhe does something bad, I'll admit it. In fact, his New X-Men hasn't been flawless lately. "Murder at the Mansion." What the hell was that? Professor X could have solved the whole thing.
Maybe he just didn't feel like it?
So he gets his legs back, and suddenly he has the right to be a lazy prick? That little bald bastard... No wonder people hate those goddamn muties.
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Vertigo project with Frank Quitely. Cool.
Dave makes a solid point. I'd love to see Morrison on GL.
So this means X-Men will go back to sucking, huh? I mean, I know the art sucks most of the time now, but at least the story is interesting... now we won't even have that...
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As for DiDio wanting Morrison on Superman...nice wish, but I doubt it'll happen. DC seems determined to bury Waid--who as Morrison's partner on the 1999 Superman proposal--with the whole Birthright/Byrne reissue mess. If they aren't going to cut Waid any slack, Morrison won't fare any better. Stick him on Batman or Green Lantern or Aquaman, says I. At least he'd actually stand a chance of cutting loose on those characters.
I had a similar opinion about this when I first caught wind of the exclusive contract, but DiDio has been very upfront with his intentions here. I don't have the interview with me, but he's said, quite clearly, that he wants to make Superman a top seller again(as he did Batman), and he believes Morrison is the man for the job.
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Morrison is the only man who could make me want to read a Superman book. The most impressive use of Electro-Supe's powers happened in his JLA run. So if Morrison could do something cool with such a crappola idea as a blue electric Superman, you know he's not just some hack. **coughBYRNEWAIDcoughhack**
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As for DiDio wanting Morrison on Superman...nice wish, but I doubt it'll happen. DC seems determined to bury Waid--who as Morrison's partner on the 1999 Superman proposal--with the whole Birthright/Byrne reissue mess. If they aren't going to cut Waid any slack, Morrison won't fare any better. Stick him on Batman or Green Lantern or Aquaman, says I. At least he'd actually stand a chance of cutting loose on those characters.
I had a similar opinion about this when I first caught wind of the exclusive contract, but DiDio has been very upfront with his intentions here. I don't have the interview with me, but he's said, quite clearly, that he wants to make Superman a top seller again(as he did Batman), and he believes Morrison is the man for the job.
Not if Paul Levitz puts the brakes on it. After all, he's the one who shot down the Waid/Morrison team on Superman 4 years ago when they were competing with Loeb and Kelly for the gig. There's nothing to stop him from doing it again.
And judging from the way Birthright's about to be shafted, maybe Morrison would be better off NOT writing Superman. Ditto for Waid. Let 'em do books they can actually work some magic on.
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Not if Paul Levitz puts the brakes on it. After all, he's the one who shot down the Waid/Morrison team on Superman 4 years ago when they were competing with Loeb and Kelly for the gig.
Paul Levitz isn't in the same position at DC that he was 4 years ago. Dan DiDio is.
And Levitz's decision was far more complicated than simply him deciding he didn't want Waid and Morrison doing Superman.
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Not if Paul Levitz puts the brakes on it. After all, he's the one who shot down the Waid/Morrison team on Superman 4 years ago when they were competing with Loeb and Kelly for the gig.
Paul Levitz isn't in the same position at DC that he was 4 years ago. Dan DiDio is.
And Levitz's decision was far more complicated than simply him deciding he didn't want Waid and Morrison doing Superman.
If you're referring to the "everyone gets mindwiped into forgetting the marriage" proposal reported by Wizard, I remember Mark Waid telling one of the comic sites that it wasn't true. What HAS been said was that Levitz told Waid and Morrison that DC didn't want to put big-name talent on Superman, feeling that the character should be the sole draw.
As for "complications," the only one I remember was that Eddie Berganza wasn't made aware of Waid and Morrison's proposal, and was led to believe they were just barging in on him. Beyond that, nothing else has been disclosed about their proposal and the shenanigans surrounding it. And what HAS come out sounds like this was a simple "we don't want you doing Superman" deal. Maybe there's more to it, but from what we've heard thus far, it doesn't sound all that mixed up.
And as president of DC, Levitz could easily override DiDio if he wanted. Look at the way Bill Jemas walks all over everyone at Marvel. If Levitz wants to keep Superman free of name talent, he's got the clout to enforce it.
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Don't take this personally, this is a general sarcastic comment at the situation:
Levitz is an idiot for wanting people to buy Superman because of Superman and not because of the credit box.
How dare he?
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Yes. People who buy the comic without caring if it's pure shit are what has mantained Superman alive all these years. It's not that he's an icon. It's not that there have been excellent creative teams that have really explored Superman. It's not the character what matters. It's that it says Superman on the cover. That's all you need to know.
I thank God that Alan Moore had that fight with DC in the 80's. If that hadn't happened, maybe he would have used his filthy communist propa... er, his filthy integration ideas in Superman instead of Supreme, and I and many other faithfull Superman fans would have been forced to buy the book, in spite of the fact that it has communists... er, that it has super pets in it, and that because of that it's a comedy and it sucks.
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Don't take this personally, this is a general sarcastic comment at the situation:
Levitz is an idiot for wanting people to buy Superman because of Superman and not because of the credit box.
How dare he?
If that's true, then certainly Jim Lee's involvement in Hush has put to bed the idea that its not desirable.
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If that's true, then certainly Jim Lee's involvement in Hush has put to bed the idea that its not desirable.
14 years ago people were buying anything with the Bat on it regardless of who wrote it or penciled it.
Why can't the same happen with Superman?
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If you're referring to the "everyone gets mindwiped into forgetting the marriage" proposal reported by Wizard, I remember Mark Waid telling one of the comic sites that it wasn't true.
I don't know what you're referring to here, so no.
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What HAS been said was that Levitz told Waid and Morrison that DC didn't want to put big-name talent on Superman, feeling that the character should be the sole draw.
This is true. However, like I said, things aren't the same at DC. Dan DiDio has said on multiple occasions that he wants Superman(and Batman) to be top selling books again, and to do that, you need a big name creator or creative team.
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As for "complications," the only one I remember was that Eddie Berganza wasn't made aware of Waid and Morrison's proposal, and was led to believe they were just barging in on him. Beyond that, nothing else has been disclosed about their proposal and the shenanigans surrounding it. And what HAS come out sounds like this was a simple "we don't want you doing Superman" deal. Maybe there's more to it, but from what we've heard thus far, it doesn't sound all that mixed up.
Well, from what I've read from Rich Johnston's All the Rage/Lying in the Gutters columns, the move had more to do with DC calling for what I suppose can only be described as a "suspension". Morrison, Waid, Peyer and Millar had all been putting together a Superman proposal that they were pushing, but some of these creators were, at the time, in DC's doghouse(Millar for controversy related to The Authority, Morrison for some of his comments and clashes of interest with JLA editors, and Waid...for being Waid, really). So, the four were "suspended" from working on a mainstream DCU project for a year. Millar has confirmed as much, though one can never be sure with Millar.
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And as president of DC, Levitz could easily override DiDio if he wanted. Look at the way Bill Jemas walks all over everyone at Marvel. If Levitz wants to keep Superman free of name talent, he's got the clout to enforce it.
Yes, Levitz could, but if he wanted to, he would have a long, long time ago. If he wanted to, why would he allow Jim Lee to be on Batman(since that's another top tier character currently be sold by the creator attached to it)? If he wanted to, why would he allow an exclusive contract to be pitched to Morrison in the first place? If he wanted to, why wouldn't he step in and make DiDio aware of his intentions, since, again, DiDio has been very upfront about wanting Morrison?
And really, comparing Levitz to Jemas? Sure, Paul's done some screwy things, but....jeez, that's really cold.
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If that's true, then certainly Jim Lee's involvement in Hush has put to bed the idea that its not desirable.
14 years ago people were buying anything with the Bat on it regardless of who wrote it or penciled it.
Why can't the same happen with Superman?
Because that was 14 FUCKING YEARS AGO.
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Morrison, Waid, Peyer and Millar had all been putting together a Superman proposal
Oh jeez, that would have been great.
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As I said on DC's forum on Friday...I would rather see Morrison undertake a team book that he hasn't already written or a new team.
Morrison on Superman: I still won't buy Superman if it happens. I have NEVER been a Superman fan, particularly of Supes in his own books. To get me intersted in Superman, Grant would have to RADICALLY alter the Man of Steel. And I'm sure DC won't let that happen.
But I'm serious when I say I am very disappointed (but not surprised) to read that Grant will move on from NEW X-MEN. He'd made it my favorite monthly. So naturally, I worry about the vein in which the book continues without him. Will it become just another super-hero book?
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Yes, it will.
I don't really think Morrison does his best work on team books. New X-men was dissapointing overall, to me at least. The artist changes interrupted the story flow, I was really enjoying the book during Quietly's issues, but the rest of the time it didn't seem right. It also seemed that Grant was being pushed by editors to introduce certain characters(Bishop, Sage, I think Wolfbane and Warpath even showed up at some point) for storyline tie-ins.
Of DC's big 2 I'd prefer Morrison on Batman, anyway.
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I'd read somewhere that Marvel had planned to put the X-Men back in the spandex costumes by next winter, and from what I read Grant is done or extremely close to finishing the rest of the New X-Men scripts. If that's the case then his run has been wrapped up and we're just waiting for the series to catch up.
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