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really glad to hear morrison's back with dc. dunno what they did to smooth him over (other than posses the characters he loves best).
truthfully, i'd love to see him on a prolonged jla run. his style really seemed to work best on the title. pairing him up with a big n ame artist (bryan hitch might be way too much to ask for) would make the title top notch again.
i'd also like to see him do a batman run, as he's obviously a phausen-level batman fan.
but, truly, i think he'd do some much needed boosting for superman, who really does deserve to be a top tier character once again.
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Maybe it's just me, but I have a hard time seeing him take on the JLA because he ALREADY did the JLA.
Wonder what it would take to get Grant to write THE LEGION? Maybe a promise he could go back and muck around with Giffbaum concepts? Maybe he would be allowed to let them behave like real teenagers? THAT I'd buy.
I'd read his BATMAN.
Oh, FWIW, I just bought his 4-issue FANTASTIC FOUR 1234 mini today at a flea market for a buck a book.
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14 years ago people were buying anything with the Bat on it regardless of who wrote it or penciled it.
Why can't the same happen with Superman?
I thought it was...
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If you're referring to the "everyone gets mindwiped into forgetting the marriage" proposal reported by Wizard, I remember Mark Waid telling one of the comic sites that it wasn't true.
I don't know what you're referring to here, so no.
Around the time Loeb and McGuinness were starting up their Superman run, Wizard ran a sidebar story claiming that (a) the Waid/Morrison/Peyer/Millar proposal entailed everybody getting mindwiped into forgetting Lois & Clark were married, thus reinstating the infamous Love Triangle® and (b) Eddie Berganza was unaware of the group's proposal, and was misled to believe they were just barging in on him uninvited.
The "marriage gets mindwiped" bit became legend, shall we say, and Waid ultimately had to try and refute it...some years later.
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As for "complications," the only one I remember was that Eddie Berganza wasn't made aware of Waid and Morrison's proposal, and was led to believe they were just barging in on him. Beyond that, nothing else has been disclosed about their proposal and the shenanigans surrounding it. And what HAS come out sounds like this was a simple "we don't want you doing Superman" deal. Maybe there's more to it, but from what we've heard thus far, it doesn't sound all that mixed up. Well, from what I've read from Rich Johnston's All the Rage/Lying in the Gutters columns, the move had more to do with DC calling for what I suppose can only be described as a "suspension". Morrison, Waid, Peyer and Millar had all been putting together a Superman proposal that they were pushing, but some of these creators were, at the time, in DC's doghouse(Millar for controversy related to The Authority, Morrison for some of his comments and clashes of interest with JLA editors, and Waid...for being Waid, really). So, the four were "suspended" from working on a mainstream DCU project for a year. Millar has confirmed as much, though one can never be sure with Millar.
So it was a giant pissing contest then.
No wonder DC's so screwed up.
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And as president of DC, Levitz could easily override DiDio if he wanted. Look at the way Bill Jemas walks all over everyone at Marvel. If Levitz wants to keep Superman free of name talent, he's got the clout to enforce it.
Yes, Levitz could, but if he wanted to, he would have a long, long time ago. If he wanted to, why would he allow Jim Lee to be on Batman(since that's another top tier character currently be sold by the creator attached to it)? If he wanted to, why would he allow an exclusive contract to be pitched to Morrison in the first place? If he wanted to, why wouldn't he step in and make DiDio aware of his intentions, since, again, DiDio has been very upfront about wanting Morrison?
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And really, comparing Levitz to Jemas? Sure, Paul's done some screwy things, but....jeez, that's really cold.
Well, Batman since 1986 has always attracted top-name talent in one form or another. DC's developed a habit of giving that character preferential treatment. So Lee's hiring is no big surprise for me. That was something that had been bandied about for years, as early as "No Man's Land." However, Superman has been a completely different situation, with DC going out of their way to AVOID big talent. Just because DC lets Batman get the red carpet treatment doesn't mean that's going to apply to Superman, especially in light of their past actions and the way they've just railroaded Birthright, a book written by a big-name talent who WANTS to do Superman. DiDio can talk about hiring Morrison till he's blue in the face. I won't believe it till I see it...and I highly question that we'll ever see it.
And I would still rather that Morrison took another character, since he would almost certainly get the same "black sheep" treatment Waid's getting. Put him on Green Lantern or Batman or Aquaman instead, and he'll be better off.
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If that's true, then certainly Jim Lee's involvement in Hush has put to bed the idea that its not desirable.
14 years ago people were buying anything with the Bat on it regardless of who wrote it or penciled it.
Why can't the same happen with Superman?
That is EXACTLY what's been happening with Superman since 1992-1993. It's STILL happening. And DC is not going to change that MO any time soon.
So why the hell are you even complaining? You're getting exactly what you want.
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Personally, I'd like to see Morrison finally tackle the team he started during his stint on JLA by starting a Global Guardians series. He revolutionized both the Doom Patrol and the JLA. Maybe he could do so for another disenfranchised DC property (albeit a more obscure one). I read in an interview that he had (literally) pages of backstory on each of those guys. In all honesty, I know I'd pick up the book. Heck, I'm sure Morrison's the only one over at DC who still knows they're even around...
Also, I'd like to see Morrison and Waid get their heads together for that "Hypercrisis!" project that they were rumored to be working on. It'd be a cool thing to close up that can o' worms that Waid opened with The Kingdom. (I mean, seriously - we had a Crisis to get rid of the continuity errors associated with a multi-verse! Why intro a NEW one?!)
In all honesty, there are a TON of titles I could forsee Morrison handling very well. My personal preference would not be to put him on a solo book (like GL or Aquaman) and definitely not to put him on a big name hero book (like Supes or Bats). His work on Doom Patrol, Fantastic Four, JLA, and New X-Men really shows that Grant has a particular flair for the team dynamic and, given the right characters and motivations, would be able to pull off something truly new and exciting at DC.
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14 years ago people were buying anything with the Bat on it regardless of who wrote it or penciled it.
Why can't the same happen with Superman?
Yeah! Who cares about quality?! That's not what comics are about!
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If Morrison is the new writer for Superman, I'm picking it up. Some of the best Superman moments in recent memory came from Morrison during his JLA run.
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14 years ago people were buying anything with the Bat on it regardless of who wrote it or penciled it.
Why can't the same happen with Superman?
Because... that's stupid.
And... Byrne is a poopy-head! HA! Checkmate!
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14 years ago people were buying anything with the Bat on it regardless of who wrote it or penciled it.
Why can't the same happen with Superman?
Yeah! Who cares about quality?! That's not what comics are about!
What he said. Fucked if I'd buy Superman ordinarily: I might be tempted if Morrison is writing and doing good things with the title.
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"His work on Doom Patrol, Fantastic Four, JLA, and New X-Men really shows that Grant has a particular flair for the team dynamic and, given the right characters and motivations, would be able to pull off something truly new and exciting at DC."
I'm with you...I think Grant does great team books. I love his approach to classic super-hero teams because he turns them on their heads a bit. The DP needed it, the FF needed it (albeit it was only for a mini), and the X-Men desperately needed it. Even the JLA needed it.
Which team at DC currently *needs* Grant's touch? I really think Grant on THE LEGION could make that book as exciting as its been since Giffbaum.
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His work on Doom Patrol, Fantastic Four, JLA, and New X-Men really shows that Grant has a particular flair for the team dynamic
I never really considered Doom Patrol to be a "team book". It does involve a group of people, but they are rarely(if ever) together; it's really just Cliff's life, that happens to include other interesting characters.
And I forgot about 1234. Not a run, but still a sample of his work. I thought that he had a great plan for it all, but failed to really execute it. Classic Morrison, actually, when you consider some of the other "big buildup, small payoff" stuff he's done(WW3, for example). As far as Fantastic Four minis go, I enjoyed Unstable Molecules more.
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"When asked about a possible change in Superman titles, Didio said that changes are coming soon, and an announcement will come shortly."
Cool.
[sarcasm directed at MOTA]I just hope it doesn't mean we'll get a quality writer in the book... I hate it when they come and ruin everything by doing good stories and maybe even boosting sales... look at Sandman! People were buying the comic for the writer and not the classic DC character. What a mess! Sure, we got one of the best runs in comic history, but it wasn't worth it![/sarcasm directed at MOTA]
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I actually think Morrison's best work was the oddly under-rated Kid Eternity mini-series.
But I've never read his JLA, which people seem to rave about (aside from Earth: 2, which I thought was fun). His X-men was not bad.
I suspect the only way to get Morrison to leave X-men was to agree to give him Superman.
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I suspect the only way to get Morrison to leave X-men was to agree to give him Superman.
Doubt it. They pulled Quietly from the book and have stuck him with constant artist changes. Plus, TPTB kept having him include characters and concept that I'm sure he wasn't happy with having to deal with. DC could have offered him the Looney Tunes book, and he would have probably taken it.
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morrison has gone on record before saying he simply loves the dc characters.
he was really pissed at dc over the whole superman ordeal, but i think enough time had passed for him to settle down, and as soon as an offer came back with the characters he likes best, he took it. and, hey, y'never know, its more than possible it is the superman deal.
dave, get the jla run!
most all of it is compiled into now-cheap TPBs.
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I would certainly be interested in reading his take on classic DC characters IF he's allowed to "Morrisonize" them. Of course, I can't see Grant taking on cookie-cutter work, so I imagine he'll be applying his touches to whatever he's going to do.
Certainly, I'm intrigued on the one hand, and great saddened on the other. He truly elevated the X-Men (he along with Milligan/Allred).
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I suspect the only way to get Morrison to leave X-men was to agree to give him Superman.
Doubt it. They pulled Quietly from the book and have stuck him with constant artist changes. Plus, TPTB kept having him include characters and concept that I'm sure he wasn't happy with having to deal with.
Plus, they made him wear this!
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Don't put him on Batman. I'd hate to see the return of the Uber-Bat.
Don't put him on Aquaman. He had no idea what to do with him in the JLA, and I doubt anything would change that. If anything, we'd end up seeing Aquaman underwater 24/7.
GL? Maybe.
Flash? I would definitely say yes to, except Johns is already doing a bang up job.
JSA? Different story. I could definitely see that. If anything, I would put him there since this would be a good time to let Johns off (his writing there is winding down, IMO) and we already know Morrison's good with teams. I see JSA as an upgrade from the JLA.
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He's already done Flash.
I thought he had a pretty good grasp of Aquaman, actually. He wasn't a spare, like he is in most of the other JLA incarnations. He portrayed him as a true king, whereas most simply portray him as a guy who can talk to fish.
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And he used his powers in a cool way, too. Like what Aquaman does to the "Züm!" guy in New World Order.
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Or Fallen Angel. It's about time that title had a new perspective.
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I just hope it doesn't mean we'll get a quality writer in the book... I hate it when they come and ruin everything by doing good stories and maybe even boosting sales...
I, however, would like a quality writer on Supes ![[wink]](images/icons/wink.gif) , but there are tons of writers out there who could write circles, squares, traingles, otagons and lord knows how many other shapes around Morrison. Busiek, Waid, Moore, Bendis, Jurgens if he can tap into the creativity he has on Thor, Claremont, Austen, Ordway, and I can just keep going and going and going like the Energizer Bunny with this list if need be.
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Ixnay on the return of Jurgens. Day of Doom was a horrible letdown. He got off to a good start and completely pissed everything away in the last issue. It was easily as bad as the "OWAW" and beyond Superman stories of the Loeb period.
Bendis? I'd rather be kicked in the groin with one of them Rosa Klebb spike-shoes. I HATE, HATE, HATE that guy's writing.
Austen? No way. He's all hype and no substance.
The others you mentioned? They'd do fine if they were allowed to cut loose and do whatever they wanted, but since DC's already stiffing Waid, I wouldn't want them working on Superman because they'd get the exact same treatment. Just leave the Superman books to the no-talent hacks. That way DC can perpetuate the status quo and retards like MOTA can be happy.
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Don't put him on Aquaman. He had no idea what to do with him in the JLA, and I doubt anything would change that. If anything, we'd end up seeing Aquaman underwater 24/7.
JSA? Different story. I could definitely see that. If anything, I would put him there since this would be a good time to let Johns off (his writing there is winding down, IMO) and we already know Morrison's good with teams. I see JSA as an upgrade from the JLA.
Johns has said he's got JSA plotted through #75, so I don't see him going anywhere as long as the book is selling.
As for Aquaman, I believe Will (HERO) Pfeiffer takes over around #14 or so.
Neither situation precludes Morrison from doing a mini if he so chose, of course.
I'd love to see Morrison's take on any of the DCU icons, but I really want to see him take on a character with potential that doesn't get seen much anymore, like an Adam Strange or Captain Comet.
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Yep, that way he has more liberty... He couldn't have done what he did in Animalman with a DC big shot.
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From this week's LITG... quote:
...Related to this is the rumour, mentioned by a slew of people, over the shouting match that went down at San Diego Comic Con between Joe Quesada and Grant Morrison. Or rather from Joe to Grant, one phrase "You owe me!" being the most repeated on the convention floor the day after. Quesada had found out about the DC exclusive deal and he took it out on Grant with expletives that were definitely MAX labelled.
Reports indicate that Grant kind of shut down and went into a mini-coma, but did give out one response "Fuck You, Fuck your company, and Fuck your boss who's the biggest arsehole I've ever met."
Quesada is then meant to have responded "Don't worry about him, because he'll be gone soon."
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...Related to this is the rumour, mentioned by a slew of people, over the shouting match that went down at San Diego Comic Con between Joe Quesada and Grant Morrison. Or rather from Joe to Grant, one phrase "You owe me!" being the most repeated on the convention floor the day after. Quesada had found out about the DC exclusive deal and he took it out on Grant with expletives that were definitely MAX labelled.
Reports indicate that Grant kind of shut down and went into a mini-coma, but did give out one response "Fuck You, Fuck your company, and Fuck your boss who's the biggest arsehole I've ever met."
Quesada is then meant to have responded "Don't worry about him, because he'll be gone soon."
I'd put money on Quesada getting the axe before Jemas gets the boot. The way Jemas likes to micro-manage, it's only matter of time before he finally gets Quesada annoyed enough to justify canning him. Jemas is the Golden Calf of Marvel. They won't kick him out any time soon.
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Other way around. Joe is the golden boy(everybody at Marvel likes him), Jemas is expendable by comparison. Joe's amassed far too many supporters to be kicked out, especially before Jemas.
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Other way around. Joe is the golden boy(everybody at Marvel likes him), Jemas is expendable by comparison. Joe's amassed far too many supporters to be kicked out, especially before Jemas.
All the support in the world wouldn't matter to Jemas if he wanted to give Quesada the boot. Waid's FF was selling well and getting good press, and look what he did with that. If the LITG rumors of Quesada being fed up with Jemas and hoping he gets canned are true, what's to stop Jemas from getting rid of someone who could become a thorn in his side, no matter how much the people at Marvel like him? He doesn't care that everyone thinks he's an idiot. He'll do whatever the hell he wants and ignore the rest.
Like I said, I'd bet money that Quesada leaves Marvel before Jemas.
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It's not that simple. When I say "support", I mean from inside Marvel, not just from fans. Jemas has to answer to somebody, too.
If Queseda leaves it'll be on his own. I promise.
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Writer Grant Morrison on his two-year exclusive with DC: "It's great to be back home, and I can't wait to get down to business. With several new and original series in the works, as well as a ton of ideas about how to take some of DC's rich and fertile characters in 'bold, new' directions, there's simply nowhere else I'd rather be right now. I hereby and humbly declare the opening of the next major chapter in the history of comic books!"
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I hereby predict that Grant will have a couple of Vertigo irons in the fire and will simultaneously write batman and green lantern...
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