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Aye, I know, I read the post. I was just making a point, and quoting you to do a half-arsed job of it as opposed to putting actual effort into writing it for myself.
I'm living the dream, man. Living the dream.
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Pig Iron said, as I paraphrase, "You have to be insane to read a Marvel book if you have heard what Q and Jemas say about fans."
As long as anything negative Q and Jemas say about fans doesn't trickle into my favorite books, there's no reason for me to quit them (e.g., the X-books, Avengers, Ultimates).
Furthermore, "Right, if you like the direction fine. My point is that if I don't like what Lars Ulrich represents why should I buy a new Metallica CD..no matter what I think of their music I fuel the idiocy of Lars by supporting him financially. Granted, I am extreme in my disgust for Quemas...but I'm also not gonna give them money to get salaries, because they annoy me more than I find enjoyment out of their product.."
Then that's your decision making process, and it's a valid as me making my decisions based on the quality of the individual books I read.
If it's necessity that we agree ON EVERY POINT with our favorite creators--music, comics, movies, whatever--then no one will ever enjoy any aspect of popular art again. And that's a silly position to take. I'll bet on many topics I would disagree with Roger Daltrey, but that's never going to stop me buying a Who album.
--Jim
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Jim, I don't always make sense to people. But I always make sense to myself. That's my opinion..like you have yours.
My ultimate point is that I want those 2 gone and the only way that will happen is if I and other people quit buying the books that they are destroying.IMO. Otherwise they may be around forever. I see your point. But see mine. I talked to Joe via the internet about a year ago..as many people have, nothing special there. I went through my problems and gave him my opinions in a nice way. He didn't agree with me..He's the EIC, not me..that's good for him. I always thought Jemas was an ass as he himself has displayed on several occassions, that's no news. Quesada did a interview in a new york paper that was totally disgraceful to the entire comic field..Joe said this was the reporter writing about comments made off the record. Joe has steadily become more of a damage control guy within the last year trying to difuse idiotic situations bill and he himself gets them into.
Back to the original reason...their idea for Marvel is not mine...I want to be able to enjoy FF, avengers, X-Men and Spidey, etc. But I can't because they are writing characters I generally don't want to know. The only marvel books I enjoyed even slightly within the past couple years were New X-Men and Ult Spidey...They alienated me, alienated others and are doing long term damage to the company IMO.
My opinion is that I want them gone so I don't buy the books...when others do like I have either because of boycott or just due to the lack of enjoyment..then changes may occur..then again maybe not. At any rate I will stand firm.
Jim, if you like their books great. If you wouldn't do what I have because to you the heads of a company have nothing to do with the product on it's own merit...great. To me it doesn't work like that.. I was harsh in some of my words in that post. But honestly I'm right and anyone who disagrees with me is wrong. otherwise, what would be the point of having an opinion....??
we don't have to agree...
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Pig Iron, re: "My opinion is that I want them gone so I don't buy the books...when others do like I have either because of boycott or just due to the lack of enjoyment..then changes may occur..then again maybe not. At any rate I will stand firm." And that's fine and that's your prerogative being a consumer. A concern I have, though, is when you set your stance and then tell anyone who disagrees with you that they're wrong or nuts, etc. That's an arrogance of the kind you're supposedly railing against, isn't it? I'm trying to stay away from what Q is saying. I'm not at all sure what his disdain for fans is, and frankly, I don't give a shit. I'm enjoying Avengers, the X-books, and the Ultimates. I apologize if my appraoch to comics is selfish...but I buy what I like. I'm sorry that you find Q to be an asshole and that it bugs you he's still there and that (it seems) to annoy you that people continue to buy Marvel goods in light of all this. We each gotta do what we gotta do. Just please don't tell me I'm a fool for doing it, and I'll do the same for you. ![[wink]](images/icons/wink.gif) --Jim
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I admit I was overblown and probably used soem unfitting words..I was irked at the time though...
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It's certainly been an interesting 72 hours or so for writer Mark Waid. For those of you who've been sleeping under a rock, we'll recap.
Sunday night Newsarama confirmed a rumor that began spreading about Mark Waid being fired by Marvel's Bill Jemas off of "Fantastic Four." Shortly there after Marvel's Editor-In-Chief Joe Quesada responded with an open-letter that can be read here. Those two events really fired comic fans up. Immediately forums all over the Internet erupted in conversation regarding the firing. On our own Marvel Comics CBR Forum, threads about the firing were extremely active and it got so bad over on Newsarama that it overloaded their current server and pretty much took them off line. The majority of the conversation supported Mark Waid, wishing the firing hadn't happened, with a great many calling for the heads of Messieurs Jemas and Quesada. A news story hasn't generated reaction like this amongst comic fans in quite some time.
So, you have to wonder, what has Mark Waid's state of mind been since confirming the news? How does he feel about this reaction? We caught up with Waid to get his feelings on the situation.
"First off, thanks for using the word 'confirmed'; I'm getting weary of reading here and there about how I 'announced' or 'broke' any news given the actual chain of events - Newsarama heard the rumor from God knows where, it spread throughout the Heroes World convention like wildfire that weekend since that's how Mike [Wieringo, artist on 'Fantastic Four'] found out(!), and Sunday night I confirmed once the horse was out of the barn and down the road.
"My general state of mind has been sort of an amused numbness as Mike and I turn our attention towards exploring the future."
Yes, Waid has been dropping by the various fan forums, reading all your posts and sitting there in a state of general amazement.
"It's amazing," said Waid. "It's like being Tom Saywer at your own funeral. It's like the last five minutes of 'It's A Wonderful Life.'
"I'm genuinely overwhelmed. Let me take this opportunity to thank all our well-wishers everywhere from the bottom of my heart. For the rest of my life, I'll never forget how good all those kind words felt as they literally poured into message boards and into my e-mail in-box by the hundreds."
The reaction from fans has even started to get a bit organized. Late yesterday a petition was begun with the hope of getting Waid reinstated as writer of "Fantastic Four." This was news to Waid. We asked him would he return to the title if Marvel were to do a bit of a turn around following the fan response.
"Really? A petition? Returning is very unlikely, and what fun would it be to do the book without Mike?, but I do appreciate the sentiment."
Since Sunday night Waid has been in touch with Marvel, but really has nothing more to say on the subject and is looking forward to moving on.
"[Marvel] made a follow-up call Monday to tell me in general that doors were still open to me at Marvel, and I said that I appreciated the thought, but right now, I have other projects elsewhere that demand my attention. In the meantime, neither side should waste time looking back. Onward and upward."
And what advice does Waid have for the next writer who'll take over the "Fantastic Four?"
"Make sure the book has equal mixtures of Stan and Jack. And listen to Tom Brevoort, still one of the best editors in comics."
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"[Marvel] made a follow-up call Monday to tell me in general that doors were still open to me at Marvel, and I said that I appreciated the thought, but right now, I have other projects elsewhere that demand my attention. In the meantime, neither side should waste time looking back. Onward and upward."
If he's smart, he'll never go back there. This is THREE times Marvel's shafted him (X-Men, Captain America, FF). I'd think that would be enough to convince anyone that Marvel isn't exactly the best place for him.
The ironic thing is, when he was first hired to do FF, he spoke on behalf of Quemas, calling them "a breath of fresh air" and considering them a boon to the comics industry. And this is the treatment he gets from them...boy, this had to be a nasty wake-up call.
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Originally posted by Gladiator X:
It's too bad that so many of Marvels fans buy whatever they put out no matter what.
Whoa! I, personally, am a DC chick, but I think that Marvel isn't the total nightmare that everyone seems to think thus far. Personally, I don't give a shit about the politics that seem to go on behind the scene in comics, so long as I get a good story, I feel I've gotten my money's worth. Are some of Marvels titles crap? Yeah, just as can be said for just about any of the publishers out there - but there are some cool titles too - I like Ultimate Spidey, the Hulk (since Jones took over) and Alias to mention a few and I think that Marvel isn't as far down the toilet as everyone seems to think. Yeah, from what I've read Marvel isn't golden with respect to Q and Jemas, but I think that every publisher has had upheaval and fucked up shit in their history too... (DC and Siegel and Shuster come to mind - no one is squeaky clean) I dunno, I just know that in the past 2 years I've started looking at Marvel again, for something different, but I sure as hell don't consider myself one of their drones.
To each their own...
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