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Originally posted by Pig Iron:
But Moore's Supreme is still more than Superman. It's all things silver age and golden age. It's superman, legion, captain Marvel, and other things. It's an homage to an era. It's not a rip on a character, because it is about more than a single family theme of charcters. It's Moore's crazy ass re-imagining of an era, not just a single area of it.
I can agree to that, it still doesn't mean that my original point doesn't hold, that all Moore did was turn a character that was like Superman into an exact copy of Superman.

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Originally posted by Pig Iron:
And it's actually more of a criticism on Rob Liefeld and his Image founder types...who are idiots who made idiotic,pathetic, vain comics. If you read it you would understand that the comic Rob pimps actually makes fun of Rob, much like Moore's Youngblood..which I guess you haven't read either.
I read the DeathMate crossover and followed the original issues through Previews (before I started to buy Witchblade I followed the story through Previews and it wasn't till issue 16 that I started to buy the monthly title, which I still get today).

See, I think I get the confusion here.

For some of you the word 'rip off' starts and ends with the 'look', while for me the 'look' is just as important as 'content'.

Moore's Supreme may not 'look' like Superman, but the 'content' of his stories as no different from the content of the SA Superman stories.

So DC sues Fawcett for creating a character that 'looks' like Superman and wins, Marvel sues Liefeld for creating a character that 'looks' like Captain American and wins.

But Moore manages to avoid getting sued by only telling the same stories and calling it a Homage.

Let's see, according to the above Gaimain COULD sue Rowling and win because she's not just telling the same story he did, she has a character that looks the same as Tim Hunter.

If DC won over Fawcett and Marvel won over Liefeld then surely Gaiman can win over Rowling.

So maybe that's your defense and that's where we disagree:

For some of you the content of two stories makes one a homage of the other long as the characters are different, but if the characters look the same and the stories are different it becomes a rip off.

If I created a story called 'Castaways' Island' that's about seven people stranded on an island would it be a homage or a rip off of 'Gilligan's Island'?

I say that it only becomes a rip off if I use the same characters (like Moore did with Supreme), but long as I tell different stories with different characters it's neither.

B5 and DS9, for example, aren't rip offs of each other because they use a space station.