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What do you think is the most important comic event/moment? I don't mean the death or supermna or the breaking of bat's back. But important lasting events that changed the perception or direction of comics.
This is a new poll from the one I originally started... MOTA helped add a few that I'd forgotten and were important. And also clarified me on Showcase #4.
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Easily creation of Superman. Most likely, none of those other events would have happened if it weren't for old Supes being made.
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Well you're a moron. It's the creation of Superman, without a doubt. He's the most popular fictional character ever, even more popular Jesus or Gandhi or Luke Perry.
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I was tempted to go with the first appearance of Batman, because sometimes it's the reaction to or attempt to follow up a big event that really creates the moment. And the JSA fanboy in me wishes that ALL-STAR COMICS #3 had been on the poll.
But I went with Supes in the end. Too important.
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Well you're a moron. It's the creation of Superman, without a doubt. He's the most popular fictional character ever, even more popular Jesus or Gandhi or Luke Perry.
The irony of your comment is that Superman didn't become that popular till the SA, after Mort screwed with the character.
So it's not really his creation that it's the most important in the context of your rant but actually it's when Mort became editor of the book that's more important.
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Well you're a moron. It's the creation of Superman, without a doubt. He's the most popular fictional character ever, even more popular Jesus or Gandhi or Luke Perry.
The irony of your comment is that Superman didn't become that popular till the SA, after Mort screwed with the character.
So it's not really his creation that it's the most important in the context of your rant but actually it's when Mort became editor of the book that's more important.
Is that right? I'm in the middle of reading The amzaing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay, which suggest Superman was extremely popular in the 1930s.
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He was. Don't pay attention to that guy.
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Is that right? I'm in the middle of reading The amzaing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay, which suggest Superman was extremely popular in the 1930s.
Just think about it.
When Superman fans want to insult the Post Crisis version of the character and ask for 'the return of ___' they always want the return of something from the Silver Age.
You don't see ANYONE say 'I wish Superman could no longer fly and only leap an 1/8 of a mile like he used to'.
It's always, ALWAYS, 'I want Supergirl to be Kryptonian again', 'I want Krypto', 'I want Lex to be a criminal that escapes from prison', 'I want Superman to be Superboy'.
All of those are Silver Age elements.
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He was big in the '30s-'40s, but Supes didn't pass Luke Perry levels until the Silver Age.
I think. I'm not an expert on the subject, but I seem to remember it being something like that.
I voted for the comics code.
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I voted the first issue of FANTASTIC FOUR. Sue me, it's my opinion. Current comics owes more to the advent of the Silver Age in the MU than it does to Superman's publication.
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For me it would be Batmans first appearance in Detective Comics. And theres more reasoning to that besides him just being one of my favorite heroes. Thimk about it- Without Detective Comics DC comics would never exist and all the other character could either perish into limbo or be bought by another company. Imagine Marvel with Superman or Green Lantern. ![[whaaaa!]](eek01.gif) Yeah sure it's out there, but it could happen...
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Superman was huge in the 40s. People flocked to see the Fleischer cartoons in the theatre. They were so popular they spawned a live action show later on, starring George Reeves.
The 40s and 50s were his peak of popularity.
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God... let's not turn this into another "MOTA is a dumbass" thread, even though he is.
THE NUMBER ONE EVENT IS THE CREATION OF SUPERMAN. NONE OF THOSE OTHER EVENTS WOULD HAVE CONCEIVABLY HAPPENED IF SUPERMAN HAD NOT BEEN CREATED.
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According to "Superheroes Unmasked" which ran on the History Channel last night, in the late 1930's through the 1940's, LONG before the Silver-Age (1956-69), Superman's adventures were read by over 11 million people DAILY in serial form and with the advent of Action Comics the book sold well over 1 MILLION issues a month.
Once again proving how well MOTA can speak out of his ass about things of which he has virtually NO CLUE.
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Seduction Of The Innocent, easily. Not only did that book nearly destroy the industry, wipe EC Comics out of business, and force the remaining publishers to censor themselves in order to keep from suffering the same fate as EC, but it pretty much cemented the "comics are for kids" stigma that still exists to this day and was the forerunner of the constant censorship/legal problems comics still face today when stores get attacked for carrying books geared to adult readers.
I'd probably rank the creation of Superman and the instant popularity that followed his debut as #2 in terms of importance, but Wertham's negative impact on the industry had far greater consequences, whether we like it or not.
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But you don't get it... Wertham wouldn't even have wrote that crap if Superman wasn't created! There would be no industry for him to destroy!
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But you don't get it... Wertham wouldn't even have wrote that crap if Superman wasn't created! There would be no industry for him to destroy!
If it wasn't Superman who kicked off the comics industry, it would have been another character. And EC still would have done the horror comics that set Wertham on his rampage in the first place.
I'm probably one of the biggest Superman fans around, but even I'm not shortsighted enough to think the comics industry wouldn't exist without him. They existed before Superman and would have existed without him. It just would have been a different character who would have set the industry ablaze. Either way, EC's line of comics would have remained the same, and Wertham would have still gone after the comics industry. Besides, as popular as Superman was, that popularity did nothing to counteract the "comics are for kids" stigma Wertham helped to create with his diatribes. That crippling blow to the industry, in my mind, vastly outweighs anything Siegel and Shuster did.
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In 10 years we may well say the most important event was the speculator bust of 1993 forward though... I still don't know that we are through with that one because the kids who bought comics then are now growing up and still remember wasting their money on worthless crap...
That may have been the straw that will break the camel's back...
Although it's still too soon to tell...
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I think putting in the creation of Superman is going to skew the results. I mean, that pretty much put comics on the track it rides today.
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But I did phrase it so everyone could make up their own minds..
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What do you think is the most important comic event/moment? I don't mean the death or supermna or the breaking of bat's back. But important lasting events that changed the perception or direction of comics.
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If it wasn't Superman who kicked off the comics industry, it would have been another character.
But that character might not have been as presentable to the general public as Superman. Comics survived the censorship barrage of the 40s because of Superman. He was untouchable, and his popularity alone saved the industry. There's no guarantee that any other kind of character(like Batman, for example, which was attacked for it's alleged "homosexual connotations", among other things) could have kept it afloat.
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The creation of Superman but for modern readers I would have to say the Crisis.
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What do you think is the most important comic event/moment? I don't mean the death or supermna or the breaking of bat's back. But important lasting events that changed the perception or direction of comics.
This is a new poll from the one I originally started... MOTA helped add a few that I'd forgotten and were important. And also clarified me on Showcase #4.
There's no question here. Action 1 and the creation of Superman.
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There's no question here. Action 1 and the creation of Superman.
So much for all your big huffing and puffing about tolerating diversity....
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There's tolerating diversity and then there's refusing to accept reality.
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Rob Liefeld and Dan Fraga release "Brigade"!
Totally rad!!!
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