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Yeah,it did.We even had a bit of a row with him over on the old Spectre MB about.
Geoff Johns wanted to use the Enchantress(IIRC) and TPTB decided to go with the fan's(who's name must NEVER be mentioned AGAIN!)idea instead.
I thought it was a wonderful idea. I rather have Hal on active status than have him go back to being GL in a snap.
Last thing I want after the last 10 years is to see Hal living in an apartment and going to fight a standard super villain with his power ring.
There has to be more than that after all that's happened.
The Spectre series could have been much, much better, though.
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I hear ya,MotA!
While I'm not too fond of how it's been executed,I think Hal as the Spectre could be real entertaining.Especially if it was a well thought out journey for the character's progression to either come back as a GL again or for him to find his final resting place.
There is soooooo much potential in the GLUniverse with the eventual rebuilding and return of the GLC and Hal's mission of redemption.
I wish DC would give GL to an editor that could really focus on GL.I'm not dissin' Shreck because I have liked a lot of the things that have gone on during his tenure but the Batman books are obviously more of a priority to him.
With the right vision GL could be HUGE!
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While I'm not too fond of how it's been executed,I think Hal as the Spectre could be real entertaining.Especially if it was a well thought out journey for the character's progression to either come back as a GL again or for him to find his final resting place.
I think that the problem with the Spectre series was that it was too much about the Spectre and not enough about Hal.
And then it became too much about Hal's time as GL instead of being about his current situation.
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There is soooooo much potential in the GLUniverse with the eventual rebuilding and return of the GLC and Hal's mission of redemption.
I wish DC would give GL to an editor that could really focus on GL.I'm not dissin' Shreck because I have liked a lot of the things that have gone on during his tenure but the Batman books are obviously more of a priority to him.
I think that Winnick's run was the best one of the last 10 years. He did a lot of good stories with Kyle that no other writer ever tried to do.
My hope is that we see a 12 issue maxi series that rebuilds that Marz destroyed in three.
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With the right vision GL could be HUGE!
Oh yeah! Raab seems to be in the right track.
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I think that Winnick's run was the best one of the last 10 years.
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Oh yeah! Raab seems to be in the right track.
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At least you're consistently stupid.
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I think that Winnick's run was the best one of the last 10 years.
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Oh yeah! Raab seems to be in the right track.
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At least you're consistently stupid.
So what was the point of that?
I liked Judd's run too and from what I've seen Raab is gonna be good too.
Do you read GL?
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Just ignore him unless he makes a comment that has to do with the topic, that way we stop this from becoming something it's not.
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I really enjoyed Raab's first issue. I'll buy his first arc, at least.
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...I would have much rather seen the original concept of having former villain The Enchantress (not the Marvel character) become the new host for the Spectre.
Yeah, good point. The only good reasonI can offer to pick Hal over The Enchantress is because he's a recognizable character who would draw sales to a character (The Spectre) most people wouldn't show much interest in otherwise. Then again, good writing would do that too. Perhaps she should be his replacement.
Didn't a letters page in an early issue of Spectre credit the idea of merging Hal with the Spectre force to a fan?
Yeah,it did.We even had a bit of a row with him over on the ols Spectre MB about.
Geoff Johns wanted to use the Enchantress(IIRC) and TPTB decided to go with the fan's(who's name must NEVER be mentioned AGAIN!)idea instead.
I hope he got some bloody credit for it.
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I hope he got some bloody credit for it.
He did. His name is on that letters page.
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I hope he got some bloody credit for it.
He did. His name is on that letters page.
Outrageous. He could sue and put DC in the shit. Bastards. They deserve it. He should at least get a nominal sum for exercising his creativity.
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Outrageous. He could sue and put DC in the shit. Bastards. They deserve it. He should at least get a nominal sum for exercising his creativity.
You don't know he didn't get any money...
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So what was the point of that?
To ream MotA with every available opportunity for being the moron that he is(see "current state of Superman books").
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I liked Judd's run too and from what I've seen Raab is gonna be good too.
Well....I've Raab's other comic work. So I have a good idea of what to expect.
As for Winnick...simply a difference of opinion, there.
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I like to check up on it from time to time. I wouldn't pay for it, though.
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You don't know he didn't get any money...
He did receive money, though he said he didn't want any.
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Outrageous. He could sue and put DC in the shit. Bastards. They deserve it. He should at least get a nominal sum for exercising his creativity.
You don't know he didn't get any money...
Good point: credit and cash are different things.
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Green Lantern blows chunks...consistently one of the worst comics on the shelves....I have no problem with Kyle whatsoever, but the writing is atrocious..... from Jones forward..it's unreadable...
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What's the story now with John Stewart? He's in the JLA: Kyle Rayner is not?
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Recently, Kyle Rayner lost faith in humanity and left Earth after his assistant, Terry, was beaten quite badly by a group of gay bashers. John Stewart, who recently overcame his paralysis, replaced Kyle Rayner as Earth's GL and member of the Justice League.
Kyle Rayner is currently journeying the universe on a mission to reform the corps.
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Bring Back Hal!!! ![[izzat so?]](graemlins/zatso.gif)
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Bring Back Hal!!!
No.
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My Ultimate GL :
Hal Jordan gets a ring from a retiring Alan Scott and is trained by Abin Sur and Kilowog. Hal Jordan joins a class of “student GL’s” being trained by Abin Sur and Kilowog. The Class of Lantern’s consists of Hal Jordan (soon to be GL of sector 2814) Guy Gardner (soon to be GL of neighbouring sector 2815) John Stewart (soon to be co-GL of sector 2814) Katma Tui, Tomar Re, and Sinestro. Hal Jordan and John Stewart have a little bit of a rivalry going, Guy Gardner’s a cocky jerk but a warrior, Katma’s the level headed one, Tomar’s shy and unsure of himself but smart, and Sinesto’s just plain mean and eventually goes bad. Another thing I would do with this concept is have Abin Sur "scold" Sinestro every time he misuses his ring causing some friction between the two. I would also have Hal look up to Abin Sur as a sort of "father figure"/mentor. Hal would be Abin's favorite (because Hal's got a lot of heart and isn't afraid of taking risks) and John Stewart would be Kilowog's favorite (because he would have all the tools and a more "buy the book" approach). So eventually Sinesto would go bad, take on the others (and defeat them) and would then fight Abin Sur! Sinestro would kill Abin Sur (in front of Hal and the other students) infuriating Hal and causing him to go after Sinestro! After an epic battle, Hal would take Sinestro down, and with Kilowog and the other students, return him to Oa to face trial for his crimes! The Guardians would then banish Sinestro to the Anti-matter Universe and he'd wind up on Qward!
What do you guys think?
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What do you guys think?
My honest opinion is that we don't need to read how Hal Jordan became a GL for a third time (aaaah, the luck of there only being ONE Hal in the Pre Crisis Multiverse).
What we need is writers who can tell new stories using the older characters as well as new stories with NEW characters.
What we need is more characters like Barry, Hal, Kyle, Wally, Jason, Tim, Donna and Cassie. We need newer blood, not reboots of the older characters.
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Bring Back Hal!!!
No.
Yes.
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Bring Back Hal!!!
No.
Yes.
Okay, you talked me into it.
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What we need is writers who can tell new stories using the older characters as well as new stories with NEW characters.
That's what I think too.The only way I would want an "Ultimate GL"(or anyone else) is if Dc re-booted the whole thing.
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Been there, done that, messin' the whole thing up all over again.
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Originally posted by Wednesday:
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Bring Back Hal!!!
No.
Yes.
Okay, you talked me into it.
There, now he's the Spectre. I hope you're happy.
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That's what I think too.The only way I would want an "Ultimate GL"(or anyone else) is if Dc re-booted the whole thing.
Exactly. That's the only circumstance in which I would accept a retelling of the origin.
Of course, the reboot would have to be as justified as Crisis was.
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Sadly, Marvel's done a better job with the universe-changing storylines lately. Their Marvel: The End story was quite good, and did a top-notch job of presenting the dead-is-dead rule to the MU.
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My Ultimate GL :
Hal Jordan gets a ring from a retiring Alan Scott and is trained by Abin Sur and Kilowog. Hal Jordan joins a class of “student GL’s” being trained by Abin Sur and Kilowog. The Class of Lantern’s consists of Hal Jordan (soon to be GL of sector 2814) Guy Gardner (soon to be GL of neighbouring sector 2815) John Stewart (soon to be co-GL of sector 2814) Katma Tui, Tomar Re, and Sinestro. Hal Jordan and John Stewart have a little bit of a rivalry going, Guy Gardner’s a cocky jerk but a warrior, Katma’s the level headed one, Tomar’s shy and unsure of himself but smart, and Sinesto’s just plain mean and eventually goes bad. Another thing I would do with this concept is have Abin Sur "scold" Sinestro every time he misuses his ring causing some friction between the two. I would also have Hal look up to Abin Sur as a sort of "father figure"/mentor. Hal would be Abin's favorite (because Hal's got a lot of heart and isn't afraid of taking risks) and John Stewart would be Kilowog's favorite (because he would have all the tools and a more "buy the book" approach). So eventually Sinesto would go bad, take on the others (and defeat them) and would then fight Abin Sur! Sinestro would kill Abin Sur (in front of Hal and the other students) infuriating Hal and causing him to go after Sinestro! After an epic battle, Hal would take Sinestro down, and with Kilowog and the other students, return him to Oa to face trial for his crimes! The Guardians would then banish Sinestro to the Anti-matter Universe and he'd wind up on Qward!
What do you guys think?
That's actually pretty good.
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Sadly, Marvel's done a better job with the universe-changing storylines lately. Their Marvel: The End story was quite good, and did a top-notch job of presenting the dead-is-dead rule to the MU.
The golden rule at Marvel is that NOTHING ever changes. Everything goes back to the status quo sooner or later and while that happens Barry will still be dead, Tim will still be Robin and Dick will still be Nightwing... plus, sooner or later, we get NEW changes, like Hector Hall becoming Fate and Kyle Rayner becoming Green Lantern.
The next one that comes to mind is Courtney Whitmore going from Star Splanged Kid to Starwoman.
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Does anyone actually pay attention to these things?
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The golden rule at Marvel is that NOTHING ever changes. Everything goes back to the status quo sooner or later and while that happens Barry will still be dead...
Well, with JQ's new dead is dead rule at Marvel we have the potential to see some real change.
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Well, with JQ's new dead is dead rule at Marvel we have the potential to see some real change.
Well, dead isn't really dead at Marvel.
Dead at Marvel today is more like dead in the DC Universe before Crisis.
Back then the Batman of Earth 2 died, yet his Earth 1 counterpart was still alive.
It's the same today with Colossus, Gwen Stacy and Magneto. The real versions may be dead, but the ultimate ones survive.
If a year or five years from now the Ultimate Universe replaces the original one (like, technically speaking, Earth 1 (the new) replaced Earth 2 (the old))then those deaths will be meaningless...
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Does anyone actually pay attention to these things?
Probably not but GL won and that's all that matters! ![[biiiig grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
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It's the same today with Colossus, Gwen Stacy and Magneto. The real versions may be dead, but the ultimate ones survive.
If a year or five years from now the Ultimate Universe replaces the original one (like, technically speaking, Earth 1 (the new) replaced Earth 2 (the old))then those deaths will be meaningless...
Good points.
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If you were Abin Sur, but had knowledge of the DCU, who would you have given your ring to?
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If you were Abin Sur, but had knowledge of the DCU, who would you have given your ring to?
According to the last issue of Action Comics Weekly, Abin Sur offered the ring to Clark Kent, but because he was not a native to sector 2814 he couldn't give it to him. Clark suggested Hal Jordan to Abin.
According to another story (which some say is in continuity and claim the above one isn't), Abin's first choice was Guy Gardner, but that he was too far away and Hal was closer, so that's why he chose him.
You must remember that Abin didn't make the choice, not technically. He told the ring to look for someone worthy and the ring found Hal.
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You must remember that Abin didn't make the choice, not technically. He told the ring to look for someone worthy and the ring found Hal.
If you were the ring, but had knowledge of the current DCU, who would you have given yourself to?
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