From "Why Don't Superheroes have sex?" Part 3,
second half of page 2:

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TOBOR8,
posted November 01, 2001 07:26 PM:
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Would that make this a BUMP, then Grind?





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TOBOR8
Member posted November 03, 2001 08:47 AM:
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After 2 or 3 (?) threads, it seems that no one has anything else to say about why super-heroes don't have sex.
Is that good or bad ???



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Steven Utley,
posted November 03, 2001 01:31 PM
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"Love walks out your door when money comes innuendo." -- Groucho Marx





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batwoman,
Member posted November 04, 2001 12:17 AM:

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I think we have more to say about it, just that we're busy and tired to say anything right now.
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mxcorp,
posted November 04, 2001 03:40 AM
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Ho-kay.. Why don't Super-heroes have sex?
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I'm a virgin myself. I don't do it because I don't crave it, and I don't crave it because I don't do it. No temptation or any of that p****whipping penguin s*** to distract me from my job, my goals, and my collection.
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I work my untainted booty off and I save my money in my own pocket, and it drives the gold diggers nuts that they can't do a damn thing about it! My baby sister was a pregnant teenager, she explained all the tricks to me.... besides, a woman can get herself killed that way.
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What if a Super-hero is doing the same thing I am? Isn't that a tad bit reassuring? Or would you want the fate of the world resting on the shoulders of a Kryptonian who says "She's cute" every 5 seconds? Not me.
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M: "You have vanquished my champion, slave! Now kill him and have the privilege of presenting to me his head!"
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S: "My name, tyrant, is Superman-- and I DON'T KILL!"
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M: "Your refusal leaves me no recourse but to kill you both myself!"
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S: "I'm not afraid of you, Mongul! Come down from that throne of yours and face me one on one!"
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(from Action Comics Annual #2, 1989)




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Lildeath,
posted November 04, 2001 03:16 PM :
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Laudable, mxcorp. But when all the superheroes do that, it makes me lift my eyebrow like this.

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They're off to find the hero of the day.
But what if they should fall by someone's wicked way?
-- Metallica, Hero of the Day





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Leah,
posted November 04, 2001 09:58 PM:
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Originally posted by Lildeath:
"Laudable, mxcorp. But when all the superheroes do that, it makes me lift my eyebrow like this.

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*snork*

But I guess the question begs itself:
Are the characters not engaging in sexual activity, or are we readers just not privy to seeing it or (what we'd most likely see), the aftermath?
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There are certain characters we know must be 'having relations', as the expression goes...any married character and their spouses, certainly.
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By implication or 'showing aftermath' or discussion with other characters, there would be others. I think it's safe to say, for example, that Oliver and Dinah were sexually intimate over the course of their relationship. Dick and Kory (in that now infamous 'in bed the morning after' scene) were intimate. And can we say Huntress, anyone?
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Roy Harper? He's got a child, so yes indeedy do. Was doing the horizontal two step with Donna just recently. Ladies love red-headed men, it seems...
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Garth and Tula (before her untimely demise)? Not only by implication (as in the 'no swimsuit' scene in ToTT #50, at Donna Troy's wedding), but also in the TEMPEST mini series (issue #2) where there's a 'morning after' where it's quite apparent that they're not wearing anything (and I saw the preview copy of this and Phil had to add some coverings -- he had a scene of a reverse angle on Tula where she was clearly devoid of clothing clear down to her tuchas -- the printed version only shows her bare back to the waist), but there are several panels of Tula getting dressed. Now, Garth's married and has a child, so he fits into both categories.
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Wally West? Married. Used to be TitanSleazeBoy. Definitely has had his share of bootilicious action.
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Donna Troy? Married. Widowed. Had a child. Spent a few issues being a 'bad girl' with Roy, including an 'in bed' scene. Haul out the chastity belt.
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(As I'm typing this, it really seems as if the Titans get more than their fair share o'good lovin' -- all the Originals are either
a) married, or have been...
b) have, or in the case of Donna, had a child, or
c) have been shown in a post-intimate moment sequence.)
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Let's hear it for the younger generation!
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Enough of the Legionnaires have been married, both with and without children, that I think it's safe to say that most of them don't have celibacy issues, either.
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And I think virtually every member of the JLA through its various incarnations has either been involved a long term relationship, has been or is married and/or has or had a child(ren).
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So, is the issue really 'Why don't superheroes have sex?' but 'Should we, the reader, be witness to them having it?'
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Me, I can live without graphic scenes of characters being intimate. I do like the 'post (or even pre-) intimate scenes', and done well, can serve to enrich the characters' lives and how we perceive them. I think one of the reasons readers would like to see such scenes is because we like to see their lives outside of the 'spandex world'.
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But maybe that's just me.
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Leah






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Lildeath,
posted November 04, 2001 11:38 PM:
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I'm not thinking they need to be terribly graphic. Just graphic enough that this discussion becomes moot, because we'll know the answer.
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They're off to find the hero of the day.
But what if they should fall by someone's wicked way?
-- Metallica, Hero of the Day




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TOBOR8,
posted November 05, 2001 10:35 AM:

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Originally posted by Leah:
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"But I guess the question begs itself: Are the characters not engaging in sexual activity, or are we readers just not privy to seeing it or (what we'd most likely see), the aftermath?
So, is the issue really 'Why don't superheroes have sex?' but 'Should we, the reader, be witness to them having it?'
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Me, I can live without graphic scenes of characters being intimate. I do like the 'post (or even pre-) intimate scenes', and done well, can serve to enrich the characters' lives and how we perceive them. I think one of the reasons readers would like to see such scenes is because we like to see their lives outside of the 'spandex world'.
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But maybe that's just me."
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Leah



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Leah, a sample of "difference" is Wonder Woman's 2 fantasy marriages to Clark.
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In #300, she dreams being married to Clark. There's a scene where she's doing
a nude wing walking, Clark gives her his cape
and she says Why?.
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Compare that to the Trinity storyline a couple years ago when she dreams about being married to Clark. The first scene out of spandex is a lunch with them & Bruce.
But there's more on how she feels
having Clark.
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There's more of the inner person revealed,
not the outer person. Would you count that
the same way?




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Dave the Wonder Boy,
posted November 08, 2001 10:36 PM :
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I enjoyed the scenes between Superman and Lois in SUPERMAN:WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE MAN OF TOMORROW? (originally appearing in SUPERMAN 423/ACTION 583, released a year or two ago as a trade with better printing).
Alan Moore scripts the story as if Superman and Lois live out their passions for each other on pretty much a nightly basis, tucked away quietly in middle-class suburbia. (For me this pretty much WAS the "Last Superman story" it was touted as. I haven't liked any storyline since then as much as the Swan era stories that Moore's story was a tribute to.

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I think the wildest, wettest, most passionate romance in comics --at least at DC-- was between Adam Strange and Alanna, in MYSTERY IN SPACE 53-91.
Many of these issues reprinted in STRANGE ADVENTURES 218-244, and their wedding in a new story in JLA 120 & 121 (1975).
Of course, it was very innocent in the way it was portrayed in the 60's and 70's, but I think you can easily read between the lines that these two love birds were white-hot with desire for each other, on occasions the Zeta-beam allowed them to re-unite.
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( While I have high praise for much of Alan Moore's 80's work, I hated what Moore did to Adam Strange, in SWAMP THING 57 & 58.
Instead of the celebrated hero of Rann that Adam Strange was in the 60's and 70's under Infantino and others, Moore's version of Adam Strange became more dark and brutal, mindlessly attacking instead of using his wits as he always had in past stories. Instead of being the hero of Rann loved by its people, Moore's version of Adam Strange became someone the people of Rann sneered at behind his back and regarded as subhuman.
There were similar dark corruptions of Adam and Alanna's idyllic love.
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All appearances since have handled Adam Strange and Alanna in a similar dark manner, and I choose to think of these stories as apocryphal and not part of the continuity that is such a wonderful cornerstone of the Silver Age. )
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I'd like to see a writer who has an appreciation of that bygone era to pick up the scripting reins of Adam and Alanna as I know and love them. I've also often dreamed of being that writer.