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Should Supes and Lois have a kid?
As a new dad myself, I think it'd be an interesting plot development. Watch the little tyke almost roast his/her mum with heat vision, that sort of thing.
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That would be a great plot that would last for years to come......too bad the Spiderman Books fucked up their chance at it. Do you think they'll even be able to conceive? I always joke that when he cums it'll shoot right through her. ![[eh?]](images/icons/confused.gif)
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They did she is flying around in the pages of Superman.
Seigle you suck!
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That would be a great plot that would last for years to come......too bad the Spiderman Books fucked up their chance at it.
Do you think they'll even be able to conceive? I always joke that when he cums it'll shoot right through her.
Who wrote that short story, "Man of Steel, Woman of Tissue Paper"?
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Originally posted by Dave:
Should Supes and Lois have a kid?
As a new dad myself, I think it'd be an interesting plot development. Watch the little tyke almost roast his/her mum with heat vision, that sort of thing.
Like Superman, the baby wouldn't have powers until he or she was a grown up. They need to absorb solar energy for years before it has any effect.
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Dave, You must be thinking of Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex. Not so much a story as a treatise. Here you are: Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex
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Mixy.....you're a party pooper. Your damn logic is gonna kill this thread before it even gets started. ![[wink]](images/icons/wink.gif) ![[nyah hah]](images/icons/tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by Dave:
Should Supes and Lois have a kid?
As a new dad myself, I think it'd be an interesting plot development. Watch the little tyke almost roast his/her mum with heat vision, that sort of thing.
As badly as the marriage is written, the last thing I want to see is Superman becoming a father. For God's sake, Lois mistreats him, abuses him, flat-out accuses him of cheating on her for no legitimate reason, and threatens to leave him once or twice a year. She doesn't love or trust him in the slightest. Even worse, this characterization has been virtually ingrained in her since 1993 or thereabouts, so there's no way to correct it with rewriting. You'd need a reboot to turn Lois Lane into a proper character. And Lois' abusiveness and outright hatred of her own husband has basically reduced Superman to being a pussywhipped victim. Which is bad enough, but added onto the stupidity, cowardice, self-absorption, and total lack of maturity he's been ingrained with since 1993, it's yet another insult to a man who should be the superhero equivalent of James T. Kirk.
A superbaby? No thanks. Lois Lane, the Superbitch, is a big enough baby already, and Clark can't handle her at all. What makes anyone think he could handle an infant?
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Originally posted by King Krypton:
For God's sake, Lois mistreats him, abuses him, flat-out accuses him of cheating on her for no legitimate reason, and threatens to leave him once or twice a year.
Whu?
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Originally posted by PJP:
Mixy.....you're a party pooper. Your damn logic is gonna kill this thread before it even gets started.
I was famous in the DCMBs for my logic!
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Originally posted by I'm Not Mister Mxypltk:
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Originally posted by King Krypton:
For God's sake, Lois mistreats him, abuses him, flat-out accuses him of cheating on her for no legitimate reason, and threatens to leave him once or twice a year.
Whu?
Just complaining about the disgusting and insufferable portrayal of Lois Lane that DC just LOVES to cram down our throats.
Want a taste of it? Check out her "you're having an affair" screeching in Superman #192. That's just a sample of what she's been written like for close to a decade.
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Originally posted by I'm Not Mister Mxypltk:
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Originally posted by Dave:
Should Supes and Lois have a kid?
As a new dad myself, I think it'd be an interesting plot development. Watch the little tyke almost roast his/her mum with heat vision, that sort of thing.
Like Superman, the baby wouldn't have powers until he or she was a grown up. They need to absorb solar energy for years before it has any effect.
Is that how Supes works now? So he didn't have powers as a kid?
Setting aside the temperament of Lois Lane (a character I confess I'm not fond of), I still like the idea of a superbaby. They've got to do something to spice up Supes, and as cheap publicity grabbing gimmicks go, this is a doozy.
(Heaven help us that there'd be good writing instead...)
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Originally posted by Dave:
Setting aside the temperament of Lois Lane (a character I confess I'm not fond of), I still like the idea of a superbaby. They've got to do something to spice up Supes, and as cheap publicity grabbing gimmicks go, this is a doozy.
(Heaven help us that there'd be good writing instead...)
Hasn't that been the problem with Superman for the past decade now?
Let's kill him!
Let's bring him back!
Let's waste Metropolis!
Let's get rid of the Clark Kent identity!
Let's bring it back!
Let's have Lois dump him for no good reason!
Let's have him lose his powers!
Let's get him married!
Let's have him turn into an electric blue Smurf in a Village People suit!
Let's have him split in into Superman-Blue and Superman-Red, only it won't be as good as the old Elseworlds tale!
Let's have him go back to being his old self!
Let's have him get brainwashed into becoming a dictator!
Let's take away The Daily Planet!
Let's bring it back!
Let's make his marriage abusive and unhappy...and keep it that way!
Let's give him a kryptonite disease!
Let's get him fired from the Planet!
Let's have Lex discover Clark is Superman, only to end up forgetting it!
Let's introduce a new Supergirl who might be Superman's daughter!
And so on and on...
Please, no more cheap gimmicks. Superman's been burdened with enough already.
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Is that how Supes works now? So he didn't have powers as a kid?
Not in the post-Crisis timeline, no. His powers developed slowly over time. He even got his arm broken when he was a kid.
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Originally posted by King Krypton:
That's just a sample of what she's been written like for close to a decade.
Not a decade, only since 99.
I miss the real Lois from between 86 and 99. That was a cool 3 dimensional character, not the cardboard cut out with black hair we get today.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
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Originally posted by King Krypton:
That's just a sample of what she's been written like for close to a decade.
Not a decade, only since 99.
I miss the real Lois from between 86 and 99. That was a cool 3 dimensional character, not the cardboard cut out with black hair we get today.
I was gonna say that. I've read everything between 86 and early 99 (except late 95 and most of 96) and I've never seen Lois portrayed as you describe her.
By the way, when I was reading the last years of the Jurgens/Kesel/Simonson era for the first time I kept saying to myself it was getting more and more mediocre, but now I kinda miss those guys. I'm re-reading Kesel's Adventures right now and I'm enjoying it a lot.
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Originally posted by I'm Not Mister Mxypltk:
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Originally posted by Dave:
Should Supes and Lois have a kid?
As a new dad myself, I think it'd be an interesting plot development. Watch the little tyke almost roast his/her mum with heat vision, that sort of thing.
Like Superman, the baby wouldn't have powers until he or she was a grown up. They need to absorb solar energy for years before it has any effect.
Is that how Supes works now? So he didn't have powers as a kid?
No, but I'm sure they could figure out a way of making the baby be born with superpowers. Maybe Supes' sperm is irradiated or something. The problem with that is that if the baby kicked Lois from inside the uterus the kick would probably kill her, like in the Adventures Armageddon Annual.
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No, but I'm sure they could figure out a way of making the baby be born with superpowers. Maybe Supes' sperm is irradiated or something. The problem with that is that if the baby kicked Lois from inside the uterus the kick would probably kill her, like in the Adventures Armageddon Annual.
There's no way the baby would be born with super powers, which is a good thing.
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I posted a topic called "Would Superman and Lois Lane make good parents?" a few days ago at the Superman forum on the dear, departed old DCMBs. The general consensus was that, while Superman would try to be a good dad (at least in the beginning), he would fuck it up due to his having to go off and save the world all the time. He'd also be pretty hard on the kid when he grows up to be as responsible as he is, I think.
And Lois? Fergeddaboutit! She's too hung up on her own career to ever think about raising children. She doesn't seem to have a nurturing bone in her body (not to mention a dysfunctional family with a father who wanted her to be a boy), so any kid she raises would be screwed up for life.
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Originally posted by ManofTheAtom:
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Originally posted by King Krypton:
That's just a sample of what she's been written like for close to a decade.
Not a decade, only since 99.
I miss the real Lois from between 86 and 99. That was a cool 3 dimensional character, not the cardboard cut out with black hair we get today.
This is the exact same Lois who dumped Clark for no good reason back in 1995...and who, by the way, certainly wasn't above responding to Jeb Friedman's "get her on the rebound" come-ons. Lest we forget, Jeb Friedman moved in on her right after she dumped Clark, and his death cemented her resolve to scrap the engagement and treat Clark like absolute garbage.
Lois Lane has been gutter slime since 1993. Give me the Silver Age Lois any day of the week, or even better, the Noel Neill Lois. At least that Lois wouldn't treat Clark as badly as this one has.
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Originally posted by King Krypton:
Give me the Silver Age Lois any day
Please, NO
Last thing we need is the SA Lois, poster girl for ineptitude and stupidity...
I rather have this Lois
Caring...
Smart
Brave...
Instead of the crap we've seen in the last five years...
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Originally posted by King Krypton:
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Originally posted by Dave:
Setting aside the temperament of Lois Lane (a character I confess I'm not fond of), I still like the idea of a superbaby. They've got to do something to spice up Supes, and as cheap publicity grabbing gimmicks go, this is a doozy.
(Heaven help us that there'd be good writing instead...)
Hasn't that been the problem with Superman for the past decade now?
Let's kill him!
Let's bring him back!
Let's waste Metropolis!
Let's get rid of the Clark Kent identity!
Let's bring it back!
Let's have Lois dump him for no good reason!
Let's have him lose his powers!
Let's get him married!
Let's have him turn into an electric blue Smurf in a Village People suit!
Let's have him split in into Superman-Blue and Superman-Red, only it won't be as good as the old Elseworlds tale!
Let's have him go back to being his old self!
Let's have him get brainwashed into becoming a dictator!
Let's take away The Daily Planet!
Let's bring it back!
Let's make his marriage abusive and unhappy...and keep it that way!
Let's give him a kryptonite disease!
Let's get him fired from the Planet!
Let's have Lex discover Clark is Superman, only to end up forgetting it!
Let's introduce a new Supergirl who might be Superman's daughter!
And so on and on...
Please, no more cheap gimmicks. Superman's been burdened with enough already.
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Is that how Supes works now? So he didn't have powers as a kid?
Not in the post-Crisis timeline, no. His powers developed slowly over time. He even got his arm broken when he was a kid.
One of the inherent problems with comic book franchises - the big ones like Bats and Supes - is that nothing can ever be permanent.
Look at the kid Bats had with Talia in Son of the Demon. Biggest character development Batman had ever. And what happenes? Denny O'Neil retconned it.
If the gimmick doesn't last (eg. Power Girl's baby, Scarlet Witch's twins etc.) then it becomes a gimmick.
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If the gimmick doesn't last (eg. Power Girl's baby, Scarlet Witch's twins etc.) then it becomes a gimmick.
In the case of Power Girl's son... just because no one has used him in all this time it doesn't mean no one else could someday. He's still out there.
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Originally posted by Dave:
If the gimmick doesn't last (eg. Power Girl's baby, Scarlet Witch's twins etc.) then it becomes a gimmick.
In the case of Power Girl's son... just because no one has used him in all this time it doesn't mean no one else could someday. He's still out there.
Sure...but its been a few years, now. I just think the JLA writer liked the novelty of a heroine being up the duff.
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Sure...but its been a few years, now. I just think the JLA writer liked the novelty of a heroine being up the duff.
I'm sure that the list of unused characters for both DC and Marvel is as long as the national debt but sooner or later a Mark Waid, a Geoff Johns and a Kurt Busiek eventually write a story and use this discarted characters.
Who knows, (I doubt it) but it's possible (not really) that Power Girl's kid might pop up in JLA/Avengers (don't count on it).
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bump, should Kilgore be interested in responding to this thread
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I have actually...about 10 times so let me paraphrase my thoughts; 1.. It’s a B-A-D idea. ![[...rassamnfrackin...]](graemlins/grumble01.gif) 2. I believe its a M-I-S-T-A-K-E to lock and constrict Superman with even more air tight continuity i.e. The Marriage. It strangles the character and makes him predictable... And that's exactly what a child would do. 3. I don't want Superman Comics to become Lois & Clark the Comic S. 4. None of the writers has really figured out how to write Lois Lane, let alone Lois Lane the wife. The fine line that MIGHT make Lois sympathetic does not exist in her current characterization. Lois Lane as it turns out is a very masculine character; her husband is actually the nurturing, feminine side of the family. There positions are flipped. What kind of mother would she be? 5. Lois and Clark are not a team, ala Batman & Robin, and that is one of the keys in the failure to portray the marriage in a sympathetic manner. Lois was created as a Superman Foil, not his confidant & Soulmate® 6 I couldn’t bear the hi-jinks that we would be subject to by the Super-writers being Super-cute. 7 I just don’t see how DC editorial would OR could handle the ‘aging’ issue with a new born baby. I mean the whole Dick Grayson thing is enough. 8. I can’t help but feel that this is a dead end direction that would further alienate the character from his ever shrinking fan base. 9.We don’t need yet another Domestic Adventures of Superman book. 10.We already have 3
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I'm interested. Does anyone have specific examples of Lois being a bitch? Cuz I don't see her that way. I believe the way she was acting in #192 wasn't entirely her fault, but something to do with the coffee she was drinking at the time...I haven't gotten the issue yet, but that's the way it was described to me back on the old DCMB's. Can't remember who said it, but they said that everyone else in the coffee shop had the same expresion.
Last time I can remember reading a Superman title where she was a complete bitch to him for no good reason was Superman 155 and 156, and that wasn't her. I thought Loeb did a good job portraying Lois during his run. IMO anyways.
Oh, and about the possibilty of a super kid...wouldn't he/she be only half as strong since she'd be half human, half alien?
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Oh, and about the possibilty of a super kid...wouldn't he/she be only half as strong since she'd be half human, half alien?
I can't give you examples of Lois the Bitch but for Lois the Cardboard cut out just check any issue of any Superman title from the last few years.
As for the superbaby being half as strong I think you're right.
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4. None of the writers has really figured out how to write Lois Lane, let alone Lois Lane the wife. The fine line that MIGHT make Lois sympathetic does not exist in her current characterization. Lois Lane as it turns out is a very masculine character; her husband is actually the nurturing, feminine side of the family. There positions are flipped. What kind of mother would she be?
It just goes to show how pussywhipped Superman has become, hasn't it? It's pretty sad that he's the feminine side of the relationship.
Could you imagine Kirk Alyn, George Reeves, or Chris Reeve acting this wimpy? I think not.
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5. Lois and Clark are not a team, ala Batman & Robin, and that is one of the keys in the failure to portray the marriage in a sympathetic manner. Lois was created as a Superman Foil, not his confidant & Soulmate®
It would be one thing if Lois was a humorous, good-natured foil for Clark. If she was just playfully teasing and razzing him, I think the marriage would be in much better shape (besides, it would fit into the portrayals of many of the classic sitcom couples). But Lois is just so mean that the whole "foil" thing is backfiring. She's not likable, she's pretty much Lex Luthor with C-cups. I couldn't even begin to imagine Noel Neill, Phyllis Coates, or Margot Kidder, as much as they teased their respective Clarks, behaving like this.
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7 I just don’t see how DC editorial would OR could handle the ‘aging’ issue with a new born baby. I mean the whole Dick Grayson thing is enough.
Yeah, that is a problem. Shouldn't Batman be in his 40s if Dick's in his early 20s?
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8. I can’t help but feel that this is a dead end direction that would further alienate the character from his ever shrinking fan base.
Especially since DC can't even write the marriage properly. What makes anyone think they could handle a Superbaby?
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You know what I think..
Sure you dont but anyway..
The hell with Lois, he should knock up Wonder Women!
Think of the kind of kid, think of the stories;
Kent Cheats On Lois With Diana!
Wonder Women gives Birth!
Baby Boy Causes Mayhem!
(yeah I've never been good at titles, but anywho..)
Not only would he be a powerful motherfreckler, but he could have his own demons to battle with like perhaps Miss WW, doesnt tell dear ol Kent that Baby Blue is his..
Then of course theres the battle of the broads. Lois finds out and is both furious and heart broken. Kent torn to peices by the whole thing, leaves Superman to become exiled. Only he cant ignore his duty to the world. Not to mention a rampageing hotheaded teenager on the loose, only to be gobbled up by none other than Lex Luthor.. Be interesting.
:)
*sigh* its good to be back :)
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Who wrote that short story, "Man of Steel, Woman of Tissue Paper"?
I think your thinking about Larry Niven. He wrote a series of short stories hypothesizing about what would happen if Superman had sex with a human female. I think.
Something about growing up with microscopic holes in the ceiling from super-ejaculation while masturbating... And thousands of indestructible micro-spermatozoa circling around the upper atmoshphere.
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Originally posted by Dave:
Who wrote that short story, "Man of Steel, Woman of Tissue Paper"?
I think your thinking about Larry Niven. He wrote a series of short stories hypothesizing about what would happen if Superman had sex with a human female. I think.
Something about growing up with microscopic holes in the ceiling from super-ejaculation while masturbating... And thousands of indestructible micro-spermatozoa circling around the upper atmoshphere.
You missed my post on this thread where I replied to Dave (I think Dave did too). I posted a link to the Larry Niven piece.
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Originally posted by King Krypton:
It would be one thing if Lois was a humorous, good-natured foil for Clark. If she was just playfully teasing and razzing him, I think the marriage would be in much better shape (besides, it would fit into the portrayals of many of the classic sitcom couples).
That's exactly how Ordway, Jurgens, Stern, Simonson, Micheline and, especially, Kesel wrote her for years. I confess that I haven't read the whole separation period, but right before and right after it Lois is a very likeable character. I have never read this "Super-Bitch" you mention, and that's probably because I haven't been reading Superman since the '99 revamp.
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Originally posted by Nonoxynol9:
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Originally posted by Dave:
Who wrote that short story, "Man of Steel, Woman of Tissue Paper"?
I think your thinking about Larry Niven. He wrote a series of short stories hypothesizing about what would happen if Superman had sex with a human female. I think.
Something about growing up with microscopic holes in the ceiling from super-ejaculation while masturbating... And thousands of indestructible micro-spermatozoa circling around the upper atmoshphere.
You missed my post on this thread where I replied to Dave (I think Dave did too). I posted a link to the Larry Niven piece.
No, I saw it, thanks for the link.
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For those that might not have seen it before.
Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex
http://www.rawbw.com/~svw/superman.html
I've seen that several times, but can't be arsed to read it. Maybe I'll print it out...
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