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Originally posted by Greybird:
{Bevis}
"... Do you think the fact that you have had issues with some of the mods and other posters here (and they with you) means that they're going to start some personal vendetta and edit everything you post to make you look like an idiot?"

Nope.
Then why are you so concerned about them editing then? Do you think maybe they'll edit others vidictivly? Or is it just the fact that they can edit at all that you object to (as in editing other people's posts rather than their own)?

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"... until it actually became an issue and was dealt with spam hadn't really been considered by anyone."

Then this is the time to think about it, isn't it? And define some things?
So what do you want defining? What is spam? That's a pretty difficult thing to define at the best of times. And of course it's going to change either on the moderaters own views or on a specific situation.

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"... If you do have a problem with the way they are behaving then really the first thing you should have done is contacted them personally."

I did, privately. That's what IMs are for.
Good. And was it dealt with? Did you get an explanation of their actions and such? Because if you did why did you then come here and bring up the exact same things again?

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"... Like I say, for clarity maybe we should have some kind of guidelines. Just get off your high horse about the whole issue."

Does your saying so make it a legitimate issue, while my saying so puts me on a high horse? {rueful smile}
No, me saying it makes it no more a valid point than you saying it. However the only reason I even mention it is to shut you up. If the only way you're going to be happy is if there's a set of rules that you can sit there and pick apart then maybe that's what we need because pretty much everyone else seems to be perfectly happy (or at the very least not concerned) with how things have been going.

And on a personal note would you kindly never point your {rueful grin} at me again. Quite frankly if you're saying something that you think might upset/annoy/antagonise me and you want to avoid any comeback then don't post it. if you are going to post something like that then don't bother pretending that you don't want to say it, which is all the 'grin' comes across as. In actual fact all it does is make me notice even more anything that could be taken the wrong way and wonder if you're so concerned about how I might react why you said it in the first place.

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"And as to whether we know who TD is or not. Well, quite frankly who gives a toss?"

Many have, in my experiences at moderating. Someone this private -- she's not the first -- is often seen as not to be respected, or as much, because he or she is not opening up to be a part of the community, or as much of one.

That works against being as effective a moderator, and against making his or her admin decisions stick with others. Again, my observation.
You what? I'm sorry but that's just complete crap (actually 'm not sorry, but it's still crap). Not knowing who she is doesn't make her any less of an effective mod. If anyone here actually thought that then why would they have voted her in? Quite frankly being terribly open, letting people know exactly what you think, is just as much a problem as not saying anything. I'm sure you remember all the drama over the Legionpics/LSHpics yahoo sites. That was because the moderater was *too* open. So which is better? Do you want her to tell you everything about herself so that you can trust and respect her? Does she have to let you know exactly who she is before you can do that? Because if so then you're going to be sorely disappointed by virtually everyone. As Cru says on the internet you can't know that anythign anyone says is true or not. If I told you that I was half Indian would you be able to prove I wasn't? And wouldn't it change how you, or others, viewed me? if I said that I wasn't gay at all or that I was actually a woman and admitted I'd been lying for years would that be better than me just not saying in the first place?

For the first few years I was on the net and posting in mesage boards and such I never used my real name. I never referred to anything major going on in my own life. That didn't seem to affect how people thought about me, and nor should it. respect comes from a lot of things, from the way people behave on boards, the way they react to others. Knowing exactly who that person is, what their private life is like, has no real bearing on that. It shouldn't on or off the net and I simply don't understand why you're so bloody concerned about it in the first place.

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"... And why exactly does wanting to keep a degree of privacy mean that she shouldn't be on the net in the first place?"

I didn't say she, or anyone, shouldn't be on the Net. I wondered why someone like that was. The whole point of the Net is to connect. And to gain from the fact of differences in individual experience, flavors of expression, even regional slang.

If someone is just a disembodied voice, with no context, why should we strain a point to understand that person's points? For someone's intellect in isolation, I can read a book -- I don't need to be here.

I'd like some flavor from those I talk with. Including from TD.
gain I really don't see what your problem here is. Because you don't know about her private life you can't contect with her on an intellectual or personal level? Why ever not? She's not your 'friend', she doesn't have to tell you anything. The people that I really know things about on these boards, that i consider friends, I've really got to know out of the public forums. I've contected with them because of what they're posting, what they're thinking, and then got to know more about them off-line. There are people I now consider friends that I would probably have never spoken to if I met them in the real world. There are people who post all the time here that i know next to nothing about but that doesn't stop me being interested in what they have to say or in respecting their own views and such. Sure I don't know much about TD at all but I don't feel that I need to go digging to respect her or think she has the integrity to be a moderater. She's given me no real reason to think she'll be a great moderater or a bad moderater. However she has become very much a part of this group (whether that be the LMBP or LHQ or whatever) and people like and respect her simply for what she posts. What she doesn't post is neither here nor there.

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"... I know if I mailed you privately there would be no response at all."

Not true. I try to answer all civil e-mail or IMs promptly. Feel free to write to me.
I may do. Depends on where this discussion goes really.