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Beleive it or not...this story has a point...as Mxy said, it happens at the ending...the fight is for the build up. I agree we should do "characterization " stories...but that can be accomplished inside a action story as well. Just rub those creative brains. About the dimension hopping...I don“t know why Euro suddenly changed the world...it felt wrong so I tried to show that the fight contiued through different realities, but still the same fight. We have to mix action and down time or different posters will be bored.
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We need some red thread to follow in a story...or anarchy erupts and no story will happen. If we all jst do our own subplots we might as well be writing by ourselves.
What we need to do before a new story is launched, is to discuss the main event...and where it should end...then we all flesh it out with characterization and subplots, and of course elements that gets the story moving so that said "event actually happens.
Is this making any sense?
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Okay, I can accept the dream shifting thing, as long as we're allowed to play around in that environment a bit more without changing it once again...... Eurostar: Could you please edit out that reference to Kristofer Schanz in that fantasy sequence you wrote? Kristofer Schanz's continued existence after death and connection with Pete is not supposed to be known by anyone. Thanks.
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BTW, Pro, what did you think of that TTT one-shot I linked for you? I wrote it before I created my "Pete" character, and almost thought about using TTT as a main character, but I decided that writing a godlike being would be too difficult, so I went with a character as earthy as possible instead... [ 07-24-2002, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: TheTimeTrust ]
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quote: Originally posted by TheTimeTrust: BTW, Pro, what did you think of that TTT one-shot I linked for you?
I wrote it before I created my "Pete" character, and almost thought about using TTT as a main character, but I decided that writing a godlike being would be too difficult, so I went with a character as earthy as possible instead...
TTT, I am sincerely impressed!!
What an excellent bookend to the Trust character. It wrapped-up pretty damn near every single plot thread dealing with The Trust. I especially enjoyed the hints as to why Pro and TTT don't like each other, and the use of the color purple, when defining the Infinity's power level.
Well done! :)
I must say, though, do you really think the old universe is gone........forever? ![[wink]](images/icons/wink.gif)
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Thanks! The only real plot point still not dealt with yet is TTT's romance (y'know, the one that began in "One Sunny Day in Mandelovia"), as well as TTT's farewell story in TOMB. And no, I don't believe the Old Universe is really gone forever. As I said earlier in the story: quote: Ultimately, however, the universe they resided in ceased to exist. That universe had a past, however, as well as a future, and although it does no longer exist to us, it did once exist.
I meant that to specifically say that, while Chewy can write his "End of the Universe" story, the Old Universe still has to exist after its end, because we already know that the future exists, having been there several times.
The long and short of that means that we can still write stories set in the "Old Universe"...
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.....TTT, is your avatar a....navel?
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Yes. That it is. A South American Playboy Playmate's navel, no less.
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No sleeping Boy, as per your request, I will edit the reference out.
But, I want to ask to you and to Pro a thing: if we are to confront a being that is able to channel evil out of criminals and use it to pump up the villains of this story, don't you believe that he could know things that no one should know, like Schanz and Zee existence?
Also, what's the problem with it? At the end of the story, all will be restored to status quo:
Turkish meeting Zee: so what? He thinks that the world is forever safe. Now, what's his purpose now?
That's what I wanted to estabilish.
Kristofer (sp?) is separated form Pete: who rightfully deserves the money from the lottery win? I know that a gallant (again sp?) man like the swedish would maybe not even posing this question, but TTT maybe could think one for somehow putting the two one toward the other...
This was my intent, sincerely I hoped the others would followed on that.
It was not for replacing the fight, but to give the story a change of pace for some days, before another battle would be fought.
After all, thse are the villains that have been gathered for nearly a year to have their revenge unleashed upon the MBL. What story would be if they are so easily beaten like they were?
Pro, I have read and I have though a lot about your response to my observation about you wrote Aurochs. OK, I still believe that he would have acted differently, but at last I see that you reserved for him the usual love you put in writing everybody.
I have a thing to ask to everybody: I still would have a way to keep the last battle intact, AND still bringing back the utopian world without any change. IF there are some of you, besides TTT, that would explore it, as a mind challenge that the villains are opposing to the heroes, I would gladly bring it back.
T5, I am sorry if you though it was not suited for this story, but I am sure it is. It will not spoil anything from your and Mxy's story, think of it as a middle section. I am sure that whatever monster, menaces and evil being we can throw at the hereos, nothing can be so killinjg as boredom.
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It's good to see that ppl take these talk threads seriously. I like how a lot of you guys realized that character development was somewhat lacking and spoke up. What's better is that the rest listened and took it to heart. I'm really enjoying reading the posts, especially when everyone took a little time to delve into their characters more. That's what I've been trying to do with Dirk from the get go. I see it as an important factor to allow the rest of you to understand who he is and how he'll react so that you can do him justice in your posts. Grimm and I want the same chance to do this with your characters. We want to get to know their workings a little better so that we can write them properly. That's why many of my posts don't envolve but a few other characters than Dirk, and only very briefly (it's also to point out that Dirk really is only concerned with himself since I post from his POV). In that respect I agree with Pro that we need more downtime to find out how to interact with characters. Also, when this battle is done, it'd be a favor to me if no one writes that Dirk's injuries go away just because they leave wherever they are. It'll allow for a good sub-plot or tie in. ![[wink]](images/icons/wink.gif)
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quote: Originally posted by thedoctor.
Also, when this battle is done, it'd be a favor to me if no one writes that Dirk's injuries go away just because they leave wherever they are. It'll allow for a good sub-plot or tie in. [/QB]
The doctor definitely wants to go somewhere with this. Check his last few posts in the story. ![[wink]](images/icons/wink.gif)
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doc, I must say that I have really been enjoying the character of Dirk, he has a personality that the team needs. Great last post.
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thanks that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside ![[biiiig grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
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Here we go again... ![[yuh huh]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif)
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quote: Originally posted by The Eurostar: But, I want to ask to you and to Pro a thing: if we are to confront a being that is able to channel evil out of criminals and use it to pump up the villains of this story, don't you believe that he could know things that no one should know, like Schanz and Zee existence?
Yes, absolutely. I can even see him taunting Turkish with that knowledge.
Turkish meeting Zee: so what? He thinks that the world is forever safe. Now, what's his purpose now?
I understand clearly. But, you aren't getting my point. IF you had Z just walking up and saying "Hi Turkish", and for Turkish to "think that the world is forever safe", then he'd HAVE to know who Z is for it to mean anything. I don't want him remembering, yet. If ever. THAT'S the only reason he's with this team, and hasn't returned to The Order. I have no incredibly serious problem with what you've done, except that it just doesn't work for the basis of where my character is at in the storytelling right now.
After all, these are the villains that have been gathered for nearly a year to have their revenge unleashed upon the MBL. What story would be if they are so easily beaten like they were?
Well, let's write them as a SERIOUS threat, then. I took them as cannon fodder before the main baddie. This is no slight towards you, or anyone else. I just misinterpreted this anti-MBL as second-tier bad guys, the way everyone kept writing them being beaten so easily. I tried to make Knell more of a threat, exploring how resistant and primal he could be while in lizard form. At the same time, leaving the others to interpret the battle in their own way. But, hell, we're talking about an evil speedster, alone, could mutilate HALF the team in a few seconds. That is, if you want realistic. If we have a match-up with them, I can promise you that I'll make them a threat, in some form or fashion towards every member of the team. :)
Pro, I have read and I have though a lot about your response to my observation about you wrote Aurochs. OK, I still believe that he would have acted differently, but at last I see that you reserved for him the usual love you put in writing everybody.
Of course, man. I love Aurochs. I think he's a great character to be explored. And, after his first battle with Turkish, I can imagine the two will have future dealings. But, just make clear what it is you want so inherently defined about him, in contrast to how I wrote him. :)
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quote: Originally posted by I'm Not Mister Mxypltk: PM, Pro for you!
And one in return. :)
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The Hero Revolution Special [Eurostar: Soaring over madness] is great...i love roadtrip stories. You“re doing great Euro.
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I'm gonna be gone til tomorrow! Don't make big decitions till I return, please!
In the meantime you can, uh, have fun wrestling...
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quote: Originally posted by T5: The Hero Revolution Special [Eurostar: Soaring over madness] is great...i love roadtrip stories. You“re doing great Euro.
So I guess my posts in the story haven't been great than. I see how it is. ![[DOH!]](graemlins/homerface01.gif)
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quote:
Originally posted by The Eurostar: It was not for replacing the fight, but to give the story a change of pace for some days, before another battle would be fought. quote:
This is what I was expecting in the story. We would explore the castle of crossing/crossed destinies, etc. while the villains regrouped and readied their next attack.
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After all, thse are the villains that have been gathered for nearly a year to have their revenge unleashed upon the MBL. What story would be if they are so easily beaten like they were? quote:
I may be alone in this, but I took the defeats of Aurochs and Knell as temporary at best, and I fully expect them to come back pissed off and more dangerous than before. And I saw the battle as far from being over as Mxy had yet to deal with Ktl, and Ma Kalunga was still around, and I DID have an idea for Ma to deal with being outnumbered. The way I thought the story was supposed to be going, we defeat the anti-MBL at the end of this issue, and then deal with Mr. Smith in the next, it was supposed to be a two part story, wasn't it?
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Hey...the fight is far from over...write. Expand the story...have fun...everyone quit whining. we“re doing this for fun remember...just improvise, and things will work out fine.
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Pro: About Z, I have understood your point; still, I think that at the end of the story he could have forgotten back his memories. Don't forget that he meet Z in a world where basically he shouldn't have any purpose, his mission (whatever it is) being accomplished. Being that world lasted only for the time of my post, we shouldn't bother, though. About Aurochs, thanks for your words. When he will return, as a solo villain, I bet we'll have fun. Like I said, he should bbe alsways behind a column, figuratively and actually. He doesn't say: "Come here little monk". He could definitely think of saying that next time he meets Turkish, but then, he would be too scared to even let himself being seen by Stringfellow. Yet, that wouldn't prevent him, from his hiding place, to send half of Hell toward the monk. I hope this help you in visualize how I see Aurochs.
T5: thanks. I am having fun, too, in my solo story, and that's completely merit of Gooz which creates unexpected situation. The "surprise," for me, is one of the most important things that brings me here days after days. Looking at how everybody praises the old "Triarchy War" I believed it was important also for all the writers of this board, but I am beginning to think that is not the case.
Gooz: thanks for the fun you are giving me in the solo story.
Grimm: if you want to explore the secrets of the castle of crossing destinies, I will be the happier poster on this board.
Everybody: after the end of this story, I am all for the flashback story telling what happened in the missing month between issue seven and issue eight (we should number it seven point five, we had a similar numering even in the old MBL). I especially want to see what happened to the Lord of the Flies, but I believe everybody deserves the time to develope friendship with each other. [ 07-25-2002, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: The Eurostar ]
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That“s a great idea... A Hero Revolution [Rewind And Save]
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quote: Originally posted by The Eurostar: About Aurochs, thanks for your words. When he will return, as a solo villain, I bet we'll have fun. Like I said, he should bbe alsways behind a column, figuratively and actually. He doesn't say: "Come here little monk". He could definitely think of saying that next time he meets Turkish, but then, he would be too scared to even let himself being seen by Stringfellow. Yet, that wouldn't prevent him, from his hiding place, to send half of Hell toward the monk. I hope this help you in visualize how I see Aurochs.
Absolutely. I was under the impression that his "boost" in power meant that he had finally grown some balls. But, I perfectly understand how you want your character. Thanks. :)
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quote: Supposedly posted by T5: Hey...the fight is far from over...write. Expand the story...have fun...everyone quit whining. we“re doing this for fun remember...just improvise, and things will work out fine.
As soon as I can figure out exactly what's going on from the terribly confusing and contradicting posts in the story lately, I'll give it a shot.
Maybe someone can explain it to me. And where's La Perdita's PSI-Unit in all this, if the island is being attacked?
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To everybody: if you feel confused and contraddicted, that's how really the heroes should feel right now! Enjoy! ![[mwah hwah haa]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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In the words of TTT, be pro-active, not re-active.
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Dat's it--somebody start a seperate thread where all notices of PMs are posted.
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Listen to Eurostar...the story now reflects the state the heroes are in...just add to it any way you like...and soon WHAM we will try to defeat this menace tht“s causing this.
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quote: Originally posted by The Eurostar: Gooz: thanks for the fun you are giving me in the solo story.
I'm having just as much fun as you are Wait until you see the next shocker I'm about to throw in
I just noticed the title change, cool and thanks :)
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Grimm said: "The way I thought the story was supposed to be going, we defeat the anti-MBL at the end of this issue, and then deal with Mr. Smith in the next, it was supposed to be a two part story, wasn't it?"
Actually, that is gonna happen on this issue, too. At first I thought it was the way you're saying, but then T5 explained me that the second part is gonna be something completely different he has in mind for later on, maybe in a couple of issues.
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Euro: A little detail I forgot to tell you about before. In one of your posts you mentioned "TC's son, Lucky", when actually TC has said that Lucky and TC's son are two different characters. I think Lucky is TC's brother.
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TC's brother met TC in the story (during the circus era), and it wasn't the same character as Lucky.
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