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New Talk Thread ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif) Start talking...
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WTF? Didn't I just say we should end the talk thread at the same time as the story?
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Well, yeah, but...nobody listens to you...
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quote: Originally posted by TheTimeTrust: WTF? Didn't I just say we should end the talk thread at the same time as the story?
Well, stop wasting time, go end the story!
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Shouldn't we wait for a complete resolution of the EPS part of the story? I mean, it still lacks Vidalia and Lochlan point of view, I don't think it would be "right" to have those in an other issue.
About the IBG, since we have the EPS (Elitium Protection Squad, if I remember it correctly) and the MBL from the old Universe, I don't see why we shouldn't have a IBG. With a different meaning, and maybe a only one apparition could be fun without bringing back anything more than the other two groups should.
The acronym (is this an English word?) could designate something releted only to the mysterious leader.
Rogues gallery is only the collection of the foes of the team, this, yes, a not totally acceptable concept, since they are not even really superheroes... but this is, also, my only two euro-cent.
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Oooops I just ended the story. [ 06-05-2002, 12:25 AM: Message edited by: T5 ]
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By the way...the heart was the point all along. Keep it as a abackup weaponn for future developments.
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T5's ending is good for the MBL Ending, and Chewy or Av can offically end the revolution today or in a few few days, we'll just keep the story open. Now time for a new story, wooohoooo! ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif)
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Here is an apropiate title; Darkness Calls.
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Chewy, we need to talk (write). It´s about alienzzz. [ 06-05-2002, 12:14 PM: Message edited by: T5 ]
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Ah...here´s a nice title to our next little caper: Bright [Hero], Dark Soul.
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I have an idea for a little story just down the road that I'd like to write myself. Would anyone mind if I pulled a "TOMB: Forever" (without either the "TOMB" or the "Forever" part) ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif) with our Hero Revolution characters?
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I may add an epilogue or two myself to the current story. Hey, after all, it would be nice for the story thread to reach 100 posts... ![[Razz]](images/icons/tongue.gif)
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Epilogues are nice...as long as you don´t get Naecken married and living happily ever after [ 06-05-2002, 04:36 PM: Message edited by: T5 ]
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quote: Originally posted by TheTimeTrust: I have an idea for a little story just down the road that I'd like to write myself. Would anyone mind if I pulled a "TOMB: Forever" (without either the "TOMB" or the "Forever" part) with our Hero Revolution characters?
Feel free to use any of my characters (as long as you write them in character... and no sex changes! ) [ 06-05-2002, 05:20 PM: Message edited by: GoozX ]
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quote: Supposedly posted by GoozX: Feel free to use any of my characters (as long as you write them in character... and no sex changes! )
"No sex changes"...? I don't know if I can work under these kind of creative restraints! ![[Roll Eyes]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif)
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TTT: What is "TOMB: Forever"?
T5: Those names you suggest seem more apropiate for issue 8...
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quote: Originally posted by The Eurostar: ...it still lacks Vidalia and Lochlan point of view...
Uh... the Vidalia P.O.V. was the third one I wrote. Do you need to check the story again?
quote: Euro, again... ...since we have the EPS (Elitium Protection Squad, if I remember it correctly) and the MBL from the old Universe, I don't see why we shouldn't have a IBG...
Correct. However, the EPS was a team that I never saw fit to explore, designating only two of it's likely hundreds of members, while the MBL is (to those of you who were on it for the longest time, unlike myself) something that you simply couldn't live without. At any rate, the EPS was named long before we decided to sever ties with the Old Universe, so that is completely out of my hands. Like I said before, too many throwbacks, and we'll start repeating ourselves and reguritating the same old stuff we've done before, which, if I remember correctly, was the reason we started a New Universe in the first place. To break free from the monotony that the Old one had become. That's one of the reasons why Gooz and I chose the title "Leave the Past Buried". To clue you all in to the fact that we killed the MBL. It's not a part of what we have now. To drag it out past its death is like digging up a corpse and taking it on vacation with you... like Weekend at Bernie's, only with less humorous results...
But, again, those are MY views. Do with them what you will. Inevitably, you'll all do what you want to do anyway...
quote: ...you know who... Rogues gallery is only the collection of the foes of the team, this, yes, a not totally acceptable concept, since they are not even really superheroes...
And since when do only superheroes have enemies?
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quote: Originally posted by I'm Not Mister Mxypltk: TTT: What is "TOMB: Forever"?
It's what I'm going to be crucified for......
Seriously, "TOMBForever" was a little "solo" story thread that I began back on the Promethean Boards, that was supposed to encapsulate a brief nod to the history of the team called TOMB. In it, a scrub-team is formed by TTT to rescue the current line-up. It was never finished, for many reasons, I don't know if it ever will be, and, if it is, it will probably be completely different than what I would have done originally.
Answer the question? ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif)
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Well, yes, not only superheroes have enemies, but organized in rogues galleries is not something you see in the real world.
I mean, unless you count Mafia as a supervillain team...
Bad jokes apart, I understand perfectly what you are meaning, but I think we are handling well the danger of being repetitive of the old Universe. We have a MBL, yet it is totally a different thing from the last Universe. I don't think we should have fear of using names from the old Universe, when we stay away from old concepts...
Why don't we put a up a vote? Or, like the MBL, it's better a first come, first served thing?
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TTT, let's start the next story with one of the missions you write about in the last story post!
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May I make a suggestion as a somewhat neutral bystander? JUST FUCKING WRITE!!!!Shitbeans on a cracker people! Do you all realize that you post and debate MORE about what should/could/and/or/may be in the Talk threads than you do an actual story?! Some of you are rushing to try and fucking come up with the next great human epic. Some of you are writing small bits of humor and nostalgia. And NONE of you seem to be having any fun doing it! What happened to just writing to write? What happened to the fun of allowing characters to build themselves and just seeing where the story takes you? Why must everything be pre-determined in the Talk threads, rather than seeing how it all plays out? Sure, you're going to have some really shitty, convulated, nonsensical stories that will make no fucking sense whatsoever. And, with some, you'll accidentally come together on a roll and write some of the best drama-action-epic plays to ever be put down in word. That's how you got the Ragnorak Endeavor. BUT, that's ALSO how we got The Triarchy War. Either way, you will ALWAYS get the same stuff if you all try to so passionately control the creative flow around you. This is all I'm saying. And trust me, from a guy who has just/still IS trying to sift through all the history and cast that you've already created, the deeper you dig this hole, the less and less ANYONE will want to try to join in the stories. That's my piece. Love it. Hate it. Disagree. Couldn't agree more if you WERE me. Whatever. You all have a right to your opinions and creativity, and I'm not telling you that you're wrong, per se. I'm just telling you what I see. Hit me if you've got a set. ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif)
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Three weeks ago I couldn't have agreed more with you on this subject, Pro, now, after some things happened, I thinks that planning with some others poster is not so bad. The characters we have create d for this universe are a lot less square than the Old Universe one (well, Prometehus was not square, but many other, most of them, were). We care a lot for them, and as we do for our children (as I do, and you will do when will be the moment), we can't stop to dream about their future, and trying to create the best one for them. That's why we (or some of us, at last) are deeply concerned about what can/should happen to our characters, and don't be very happy if something that happens screw what we have in store for our people. I KNOW that's exactly what made great and FUN Malvan's song, but it is evident that is something we will be unable to reply here. Another problem is the change of setting: at the beginning, we had an estabilished theme. We were a group of mistfits on the run from higher powers. For many, a boring concept, a critique that I have accepted. But it was a easy concept, easy to follow. Just put some baddie that tries to kill/capture/use us, and write your run. The new setting is open to many possibilities, adventures, explorations and such, but it needs some adapting to, and each story has to be carefully... not planned, because that would preclude any free evolution, but sureley need a deep preparation of the premises, to sound intersting. Also, I think, just I said some time ago, but without being exactly understood, a "master". What I means with this, is that the person that introduce the story, should "care" for it until the end. I did it for the few ones, and I am perfectly conscious that many thinks that I wrote them all by myself, but I am not saying that I accomplished it well. What I am meanining is that the starter of the story should, when the story seems slow, or too predictable, put some spin, give some direction. Obviously everybody else could /should do that, but for the starter should be a duty. Another thing to keep in consideration is that we have some subplots that are about to finally see light. Mxy has finally declared the timing for the "Anti-heroes" story, and I am sure that soon the long awaited EPS-MBL meeting/clash/competition/whatever will happen, so in a few weeks a reinassance for this universe is assured. By the way, I don't think that having a well estabilished cast, with some geography twist, and an history that has diverged from real on only in 1996 is something too complex for a newbye. In the old Universe, I had joined (as Nemo) TOMB very lately, and what got me was the complex stories that you were writing, so much more interesting and FUN than the ones at MBL, altough past history, settings and casts were much more convoluted than our present Universe... Back to present,we have a story to begin and play. Why don't start it you, Prometheus? [ 06-06-2002, 05:49 AM: Message edited by: The Eurostar ]
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quote: Originally posted by Chewy Walrus: Uh... the Vidalia P.O.V. was the third one I wrote. Do you need to check the story again?
Eh... I plainly forgot it, although it was my favourite revolution installment... I'm getting too old... ![[sleepy]](graemlins/sleepy.gif)
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quote: Supposedly posted by The Eurostar: TTT, let's start the next story with one of the missions you write about in the last story post!
I'll take that as a compliment, Euro, thanks! Actually, I wrote those possible clients down in an effort to imagine the possibilities where the consulting biz could take us. There are some really cool ideas we could come up with if we took the time to think about them (or at least swipe an idea from an old issue of FANTASTIC FOUR or CHALLENGERS OF THE UNKNOWN ).
Pro: Totally understand where you're coming from, man, but some of my best stuff from this story has been planned beforehand, while the rest was me winging it. It turned out to be a fairly good mix, I think. And I DID have a hell of a time writing it (although I'm not sure if everyone could say the same).
I do think that a certain degree of pre-planning needs to happen, or else you get a story like "The All-New, All-Different, All-Spontaneous Message Board League!" which nobody seems interested in. Each story has to have at least ONE good main plot in order to get everyone's brains cooking, wouldn't you agree? We don't all have to agree on the plot beforehand, of course, but it needs to be an idea which has the possibility of each of us contributing our creative juices.
Love to see what you're coming up with, Pro! ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif)
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quote: Originally posted by TheTimeTrust: [QB]I'll take that as a compliment, Euro, thanks!
It was a compliment, indeed.
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quote: Originally posted by The Eurostar: The characters we have create d for this universe are a lot less square than the Old Universe one (well, Prometehus was not square, but many other, most of them, were).
I'm sorry, Euro. Elaborate on what you mean by "square"? Usually I have no problem understanding what you say in English, but you've lost me on this one.
We care a lot for them, and as we do for our children
I can understand that analogy.
(as I do, and you will do when will be the moment)
Me a father? Heh. You just scared "Malvana's" uterus closed...... (Swear. She's standing right behind me, and nearly spit her drink on me when she read that! She also hates it when I acknowledge her existence on these boards. Okay. She just hit me in the back of the head for typing that, so, let's move on.)
Also, I think, just I said some time ago, but without being exactly understood, a "master". What I means with this, is that the person that introduce the story, should "care" for it until the end. I did it for the few ones, and I am perfectly conscious that many thinks that I wrote them all by myself, but I am not saying that I accomplished it well. What I am meanining is that the starter of the story should, when the story seems slow, or too predictable, put some spin, give some direction. Obviously everybody else could /should do that, but for the starter should be a duty.
Without a doubt, I understand that. That's how it used to be, as well. But, the thing is, when we didn't have the privilege of a 'Talk' thread, the "Master"/Starter of the story usually just set the story into play, and then we all half-assed our way across the finish line. Sure, sometimes it was ugly. But, the MAIN thing is, it was FUN! In that, I would get on everyday, with NO idea where we were, where we were going, and how we would get there. And in that, for me, was where the creativity and fun lay. Maybe that's just me, and, if so, that's cool.
Another thing to keep in consideration is that we have some subplots that are about to finally see light. Mxy has finally declared the timing for the "Anti-heroes" story, and I am sure that soon the long awaited EPS-MBL meeting/clash/competition/whatever will happen, so in a few weeks a reinassance for this universe is assured.
Sub-plots are fine. I should know. But, the point is, I don't think the sub-plots should in any way dominate the storylines. We're all guilty of this, including/especially me. But, it's not always a good thing, you know?
By the way, I don't think that having a well estabilished cast, with some geography twist, and an history that has diverged from real on only in 1996 is something too complex for a newbye. In the old Universe, I had joined (as Nemo) TOMB very lately, and what got me was the complex stories that you were writing, so much more interesting and FUN than the ones at MBL, altough past history, settings and casts were much more convoluted than our present Universe...
The complexity of the stories is one thing. One thing that I always look for, and enjoy. One thing that I and The Indestructible Man have been accused repeatedly of starting in the first place. I'm all for complexity. But, not to the point of alienating new writers that come into the forum, wanting to get into the action. As for the history being convulated, well, that's just it. It was history, that, while not ignored (well, I guess I ignored quite a bit of it, seeing how badly I miswrote some past characters), is not needed to understand for the then-current story. TOMB was just a set number of writer/characters, saving the world in the oddest fashion possible. That's ALL you really had to know. The current stuff seems locked down into having six MILLION sub-characters. I don't have a problem with supporting cast. Malvana. Mixon Carter. Aggie Fishwilder. Klarion. MAN. I'm right there with you. The thing is, I always tried to move my supporting cast in and out in a rotating fashion, as to not bog down the stories with too much of my own stuff. Maybe I was successful. Maybe not.
Why don't start it you, Prometheus?
OH no. Good try. I am NOT even near understanding this team, location, abilities, and characteristics to help out much, much less begin a story. I'll bide my time until I feel like I've got a grasp on things. But, thanks for the offer.
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quote: Originally posted by TheTimeTrust: Pro: Totally understand where you're coming from, man, but some of my best stuff from this story has been planned beforehand, while the rest was me winging it. It turned out to be a fairly good mix, I think. And I DID have a hell of a time writing it (although I'm not sure if everyone could say the same).
That's all I'm talking about. A "good mix".
I do think that a certain degree of pre-planning needs to happen, or else you get a story like "The All-New, All-Different, All-Spontaneous Message Board League!" which nobody seems interested in. Each story has to have at least ONE good main plot in order to get everyone's brains cooking, wouldn't you agree? We don't all have to agree on the plot beforehand, of course, but it needs to be an idea which has the possibility of each of us contributing our creative juices.
Okay. You make a good point. And, I agree. toaster
No, I want everyone to understand what I'm saying. I'm not advocating just going in blind. I realize that the writing group here has well passed that point. Maybe I'm just confused. I've read the CHARACTER PROFILE thread and the SF&O thread. And, there seems to be SO much of it, already, for such a new universe. But, maybe I'm confused on who's still around, and who isn't. On what's being used, and what has already been concluded.
Tell you what. In the next story, please post a team line-up, and SOMEBODY please give me a fill-in, here in the Talk Thread, on what exactly the story is going to involve. Not the plot, per se. I don't want it too planned.....(that's my point).....just help me to understand what the hell's going on. Is this Gold Baron (?) an enemy that's coming? Who the hell is Sonja? What does a Doc Quantos, EPS, IBG, Kristofer...Schanze(sp?), Larry, etc. have to do with ANY of this? Who are all these character being written without actual writers? Hell, here's what I do know:
TTT = Pete
Chewy = ?
Avatar = ?
Euro = ?
Kristogar = Ummm....Kristogar?
Tobias = Tobias Christopher (again)
Dan = Danny (again)
Gooz = ? Walker? Shift?
T5 = Naeken (a powerful alchemied' entity funneled down into a mortal frame, not quite as all-powerful, and a bit unused to this mortal form? Is that close?)
Mxy = Mxy
MBL = Don't know what it stands for anymore, but, they're a "Consulting" team, based out of La Perditia (South America?), made up of metahumans. Sort of a 'Heroes For Hire', I presume? Being funded by....another made-up supporting character. And Chicago just went to hell.
AND, that's about it. So, anyone want to fill me in here?
Love to see what you're coming up with, Pro!
No, no, no. I'm not "coming up" with anything. I'm taking a nice, comfortable backseat on this team. I'll be a player, but not a controlling interest. Just don't have the real-life time to do any more. If I do come up with something, though, you'll know it.
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I agree with all of you...(isn´t that very diplomatic of me? ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif) ) I agree that we need to have some red thread to follow, but...there is also the challenge if someone leaves a spontaneus cliffhanger to deal with... And I agree with the point that all we should really focus on is having fun...I know I am.
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So if I take one of those cases and start the next story, will you kill me?
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Hi Pro. Sorry for the square, I just translated the italian world (quadrato), while I should have said "one dimensional". Say hi to Malvana. About the why and who of the Universe, this is the shortest way I am able to summarize it. In this Universe metahumans are hated and discriminated in most of the countries, especially in the USA, where the government has and still is capturing them for secret purposes. You can read the two first synopse in the History of the HR Universe for how the group of metas has formed. Today, the situation is the following: The groups of metahumans has found home at Puerto Mibela, La Perdita Isle, Caribbean, one of the few place on Earth were metas are not discriminated. They have formed, using the large amount of money of Pete Glover, a society operating in the field of exploration of mystery (sort of cross between Challengers of the Unknown and Doom Patrol). They are: Naecken (T5’s character) a composite being that now seems to have lost much of his personality. Mr Mxy (Mxy) a transdimensional being that exchange body with Mick, a young man from Chicago. Tobias Christopher (TC), a speedster Danny Hearn (Danny), a boy from the future stuck in our time, able to change parts of the body into animal parts, and with a second brain called Hal. Kristogar Velo (KV) a man without powers that knows a lot about government installations and secret agencies. Larry Lance (LLance) a young man with phasing powers. Pete Glover “the Chimp” (TTT) a short man with outstanding luck (and the voice of a late scandinavian scientist, called Christopher Schanz in his head). Sam (Gooz), a shapeshifter, the original owner of the building they now use in Puerto Mibela. Supporting staff: Doc Quantos (living in Canada) scientific advisor; Kit Piper, manager; and Shirley, secretary and love interest for Mick. Have been part of the team, but now they are gone, Nowhereman (Nowhereman), Sonja and Eurostar (both mine). Eurostar is erroneously tough dead. We have seen some people on the island, like two kids and Sam ex girlfriend. In Chicago, we have the EPS. I don’t think it is a subplot, it is another group that lives in the same universe, hence appears in the same story. One story, two main plots. One day they will meet. The EPS are: Charles Walker (Chewy) chief, genetic scientist with not yet manifested metahuman powers. Vidalia Owens (Chewy) empath, ex prostitute. William Tweed (Chewy) invisibility and intangibility, ex crime boss. Andy Reynolds (Chewy) glowing skin, ex gang member. Walt Curie (Chewy) scientist, no powers. Turner (Gooz) ex secret agent, electric powers and much more. Lochlan (Avatar) ex professional killer, great powers with total control over elements. Eurostar (Eurostar) control over the density of his powers, with the EPS because Walker has kidnapped his “son” (really his clone). There are a few other people around. Apart from villains, the most prominent one are: Crasher (T5) a young woman with not yet disclosed powers, if any, that has helped one time the heroes (issue 1), and has tried to free Euro from the EPS (current story); T5 (T5) yet to be fully explained (introduced in this story) and Gold Baron (Kristogar Velo), also a being just introduced into the current story. As you can see, for the heroes part there is not a great deal of characters and concepts to delve with. The EPS part could be more confusing, but that plot is made of a lot less posts, and it really doesn’t have any consequences over the main story. When the moment when the two plots will cross, every care will be put to avoid any confusion. There are many subplots, but I don’t think that we should be a lot concerned about them. In time, all will be explained. In each story we have seen a mysterious man gathering all the villain defeated by the heroes. Who is he? In issue 8 Mxy will reveal it. Who is Crasher? T5 will reveal it too, in the future, just like I will tell who the backward talking dwarf that appear to Euro is (aside from being a tribute to Twin Peaks). There are many subplots, but they are nothing more than tease for the readers, blurbs for future issues. So, Pro, why don’t you really begin the next story? You don’t need to know the heroes. Have someone asking for their professional help, and you will learn who they are in the course of the story.
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Thank YOU, Euro!!! That is exactly the kind of run-down I needed! Thanks. I'm still NOT going to start the next story, however. There is a certain "protocol" to these things. At least there used to be. Once I've been in a story, or two, then I'll feel justified by starting a new one. But, thanks to this succient info, I can at least participate now. (BTW, T5, I sent you a reply message.)
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EURO: BTW, "Malvana" ( her name is Jamie) says hello to all of you. And just so you know, she really IS Malvana. That's where I got the character, description, the way she acts, etc. But, she doesn't like me broadcasting personal information, so, I'm going to post this, and NEVER scroll by it with her in the room. ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif)
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quote: Originally posted by Prometheus: EURO: BTW, "Malvana" (her name is Jamie) says hello to all of you.
And just so you know, she really IS Malvana. That's where I got the character, description, the way she acts, etc.
But, she doesn't like me broadcasting personal information, so, I'm going to post this, and NEVER scroll by it with her in the room.
LOL ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif)
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Just reposting TTT's Roll Call... MBL!- Danny Hearn
- Mick Harrison/Mxy
- Naecken
- Kristogar Velo
- Larry Lance AKA LLance
- Pete "the Chimp" Glover AKA Monkey's Paw
- Sam Dawson AKA Shift
MIA
- Eurpstar (thought dead)
- Nowhereman (quit)
- Sonja Ljzavet
Supporting Cast
- Shirley (mick's girlfriend)
- Li'l Jo (Tobias' cat)
- Dr. Henry Quantos (scientific advisor via computer-linkup)
- Kit Piper (financial advisor)
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I checked it out...there is a town called Tiatucurá and Uruguay does mine a lot of fine clay as an export bussiness. Here is a map where the place is located: http://www.multimap.com/wi/30241.htm [ 06-06-2002, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: T5 ]
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Someone fix the screen, please. ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif)
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Thanks. ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif)
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