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Mxy: Somehow I don't think the rooftop could handle a commuter plane landing and taking off from it... especially since the guys were supposed to go off to the airport and catch their flight there... ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by I'm Not Mister Mxypltk:
I SO WANNA WRITE! But I don't have much time these days. Wednesday is my free day, so I'll get online early and post as much as I can.
SO I! But if Chewy keeps painting the walls, I am stuck on his surgery table forever!
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Mxy: Somehow I don't think the rooftop could handle a commuter plane landing and taking off from it... especially since the guys were supposed to go off to the airport and catch their flight there...
Mxy, edit your post so that Mick and Shirley looking from the rooftop at the airplane leaving from the airport not far away from the apartment complex.
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Let's just chalk it up to hallucination, and not worry about editing stuff.
I'll write Turkish (who's in the secondary cabin) and Danny later tonight. I'm rushed for time at the moment.
TTT, did I get the accent close enough? Or, too much?
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Sorry I've been gone so long. Can anyone give me a quick rundown so I can jump back in?
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Well...
We're now living on the Caribbean island nation of La Perdita in a fourteen-story apartment building. Each of the team has their own apartment. The apartment that TC lives in is on the fifth floor across from Sam's (Shift).
Through the wealth Pete's gained through his uncanny luck at card games and the lottery, the team was wealthy enough to begin a consulting company (MBL Consulting, Inc), hiring on Dr. Quantos as a scientic advisor and a man named Kit Piper as the financial advisor to the team and the consulting company's working president. Of course, the team IS the company and Kit is their employee, not the other way around. Mick's girlfriend Shirley has taken the job of secretary.
Sonja was shot and was at first believed dead, but she survived and the team knows that she's alive but gone. A strange amnesiac individual named Turkish Stringfellow (Pro X's character) has appeared on the doorstep and is now part of the team in return for the team's agreement to help him discover who he is (memory loss and all).
Anyways, read the "Selling Out" story and the current one -- they're both really good -- and you'll get up to speed (heh) quick enough.
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HOLY MOTHER OF MOSES! The 6th page already!
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Mxy: Somehow I don't think the rooftop could handle a commuter plane landing and taking off from it... especially since the guys were supposed to go off to the airport and catch their flight there...
DANNY TOLD ME TO DO THAT! DANNY TOLD ME TO DO THAT!
Heh...
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Originally posted by TheTimeTrust:
Mxy: Somehow I don't think the rooftop could handle a commuter plane landing and taking off from it... especially since the guys were supposed to go off to the airport and catch their flight there...
Mxy, edit your post so that Mick and Shirley looking from the rooftop at the airplane leaving from the airport not far away from the apartment complex.
I'll edit it to say "Danny told us to wait for the plane here..."
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I love that edit button ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by The Eurostar:
SO I! But if Chewy keeps painting the walls, I am stuck on his surgery table forever!
For your information, I'm no longer painting... for now. The last few days, I've been building horseshoe pits and doing some weed-eating, which has given me a LOVELY sunburn... ![[eh... i dunno... ]](graemlins/ehidunno.gif)
At any rate, the latest (and my so-far favorite) post of the EPS 'Revolution' saga is up, so everybody dig in! Shouldn't be too long now, Euro... not too long now...
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Wow, I am so incredibly confused, now.
Isn't Danny the one with the animal abilities?
How did Larry grow an elephant foot, or adapt as an electric eel?
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I think our Svensk friend has confused Danny and Larry's powers. As far as I know, the only metahuman power Larry Lance has is the power to control his density, becoming either intangible enough to phase through solid objects like a ghost, or so dense that bullets bounce off his skin. A little editing of T5's post with this in mind should make it work.
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Grimm would like to participate here. What do I do first? What do I need to know? Where do I start? Pro knows me. . .write me, bastich! Grimm
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HA! The Grimm has entered the sanctum sanctorium, eh? Tell you what, I'll come see you today, and we can talk about your inclusion within this story. And remember: "We've just lost Brazil..."
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Well, you'll have to come out to mother grimm's place. I've been laid up with a twisted/sprained ankle for a few days. So, I've been reading, playing on computer. email me, I'll give you the number, and you can call for directions.
How could I forget Brazil? I just explained it yet again, on Geoff Johns' board the other day. LOL!
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Ooopsie...sorry about that guys...I´ll fix it.
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About being Svensk (swedish)...
I just got it confirmed two weeks ago, that my family tree goes back almost 1200 years right here in Sweden (on my fathers side).
That´s even before the vikings, which where very scarce in sweden contrary to belief.
Over 80% of all the vikings came from Denmark and Norway, not sweden hehehe.
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Okay.
I wrote a post about Turkish helping Danny get info from the pilot.
T5 wrote one about the pilot spilling his guts, before mine got posted.
So, I'm letting you guys decided how you want to do this.
I'm kind of thinking that, what the pilot told Naecken is his 'cover story'. And the truth, is what Turkish was trying to get. Go read the posts, and decide what works. It's fine by me if you need to just edit my post out.
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The pin on the pilot's lapel can be either a bomb, a tracking device, a hidden camera, etc. I'll let the next poster decide.
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I wanted to post yesterday, but the phone company decided not to wait until Friday for their check! ![[Frown]](images/icons/frown.gif) Anywho, glad to be back. Working on a little sub-plot, but feel free to abuse me as needed. I'm not sure who T5 has in mind as my mystery tormentor, but I'll go along with that...as I introduce someone from my past! Good to see everyone again!
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Why in the name of James-flippin'-Doohan does everyone insist on making the EPS out to be the bad guys here?! WE'RE NOT!We have different goals, yes. We have different motivations, sure. Heck, we even have different ways of doing things... ...but just because we aren't your allies doesn't mean we're your foes... ![[no no no]](graemlins/nono.gif)
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It's nice to see you here, LLance!
Now go check the NVerse so I can insult you!
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Dammit, I read my last post and I thought it could be confusing... (I get that feeling very often...). Please tell me if you need any explaining of what I meant.
When Knell says "Ciccioto's team", he means of course the Revolutionaries... He doesn't know Eurostar is in the EPS now.
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Prometheus...leave it in...I think it fits nicely anyway...it could be a few seconds after my attempt anyway, and you manged to get the truth, while he lied in my post. By the by...here is a fact page if you like about Uruguay http://www.natlaw.com/pubs/spugcs1.htm
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No confusion there Mxy...you´re doing well:)
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About the EPS and why everybody keeps writing them as the enemies, Chewy, is because, I think, that their purpose have never been revealed. I still have a problem dealing with the EPS, I am unable to write them properly, basically beacause I have not yet grasped completely the concept. We know that they "procure" metahumans to study their DNA, and they train them to have them "procure" more metahuman, and so on. With the destruction of MCCA, they have lost any ties with the government (at last, no replacement has been shown). They are self financed by the revenues of the buildings above. So, Walker is completely on his own, he has no one to respond to. So, what is his true goal? Also, they have never been really depicted as "not bad" guys. During the revolt at the Zoo, they have only haked data and procured blood sample. Then, they have inoculated the plague in a few dozen of metas, in the process killing hundreds of meta and norms, and then in the "Revolution" they have mostly procured metas,instead of protecting the population (apart some cases). Lastly, and more important, they have kidnapped a child and keeps him away from the one adult legally entitled to his care. This is not a critique, I really love the concept and the rendition of the EPS teams, I believe they are the best part of the new universe. Just, Walker is written as an amoral character with a total disregard of the law and of social issues, so I don't get why you (and Av) keep saying he and his team are not bad. [ 06-14-2002, 04:27 AM: Message edited by: The Eurostar ]
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Ah, but the same thing could be said about Dr Doom.
He loves Latveria and it´s people, but keep them under a iron rule, "for their own good". But he does love them.
So is he a truly evil man. No.
The EPS may have dubious methods, but their intent should be for the betterment of the balance between metas and humans.
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Ah, but the same thing could be said about Dr Doom.
He loves Latveria and it´s people, but keep them under a iron rule, "for their own good". But he does love them.
So is he a truly evil man. No.
The EPS may have dubious methods, but their intent should be for the betterment of the balance between metas and humans.
Bah, until now it has been shown that usually every EPS actions end up into a genocide. If for the "Revolution" that was understandable (after all, I started it mostly for that purpose, to have Euro somehow changing his mind A LITTLE over the EPS existence), in the ZOO mission it was mostly gratuitous, since most of the metas there were absolutely harmless, yet they were slaughtered.
As I said before, that is cool, very cool, but call for a label of "baddie" over the EPS.
After all, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin or Bin Ladin did what they did not for inner cruelty, but for the good of their own people. But that don't save them from being considered evil.
What I am desperately trying to say, but I am not sure of render it in English as I would, is that Walker and his organization are not villains in a comics sense, but they are still evil for our society standards.
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Bah, until now it has been shown that usually every EPS actions end up into a genocide. If for the "Revolution" that was understandable (after all, I started it mostly for that purpose, to have Euro somehow changing his mind A LITTLE over the EPS existence), in the ZOO mission it was mostly gratuitous, since most of the metas there were absolutely harmless, yet they were slaughtered.
In the Revolution, they put down people who were acting bad, evil, if they were human or meta. They only captured what two meta? The Zoo or Stadium, Cole (who I would say IS evil) killed all of those people, it was not Walker's order.
In a way I think that the EPS is the law enforcment that the country needs. The Revolutionaries took out the MCCA and look at the result, hundreds upon hundreds of innocent people were killed in a revolution by metas. Maybe if the MCCA still existed, this would not have happened.
That or I could be working for the ![[devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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Hmmm better if this discussion actually appeared within the story...it would give it a certain passion. Don´t you agree.
Have your characters act out your thoughts.
It will enrich the atmosphere.
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About being Svensk (swedish)...
I just got it confirmed two weeks ago, that my family tree goes back almost 1200 years right here in Sweden (on my fathers side).
That´s even before the vikings, which where very scarce in sweden contrary to belief.
Over 80% of all the vikings came from Denmark and Norway, not sweden hehehe.
I'd really be interested in tracing my ancestry back that far if I could. As it was, the church in Härjedalen holding all the records on my mother's side burnt down many years ago, and I've never looked into my father's side of the family, who come from Dalarna. I know I have a Norwegian great-grandmother on my mother's side, and an ancestor from Wasa in Finland, but as far as I know, all the rest of my ancestors were Swedish (my mother was born and mostly raised in Sweden, and my paternal grandparents also immigrated from Sweden). I'm hoping to visit Sweden again myself in a year or so.
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Why in the name of James-flippin'-Doohan does everyone insist on making the EPS out to be the bad guys here?!
WE'RE NOT!
We have different goals, yes.
We have different motivations, sure.
Heck, we even have different ways of doing things...
...but just because we aren't your allies doesn't mean we're your foes...
Fine. Just stop wagging that finger at us. It's really irritating... ![[Roll Eyes]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif)
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Just, Walker is written as an amoral character with a total disregard of the law and of social issues, so I don't get why you (and Av) keep saying he and his team are not bad.
Alright, I suppose I now need to explain part of my motivation behind writing Walker the way I have.
For about three years, I wrote the TOMB character known as the Chewy Walrus. While, at first, he was a fun character to write, he later became very stagnant and static as far as I was concerned. He was always fighting for the side of right, always making the right decisions, and always attempting to do the right thing. He fast became both boring and predictible to me, so, as a writer, I did the only thing I could do with a boring character: I killed him off - several times - in hopes that something in death would give him more diversity in life. Nothing really worked. I tried to make him seem more human in "Walrus Reborn," but that came off as very hokey and campy, in my opinion. In short, I very quickly became ill of writing characters that were always on the moral up-and-up.
Which is where Walker comes in.
As much as it might pain me to say it, the Chewy Walrus character was not human. He was uber-human. He was incapable of most of the things that make human beings truly human.
Volition - He always made the right decisions, like he didn't even have a choice.
Sin - As a Christian, I feel that man is inherantly evil, born into the world with sin in his life. Chewy didn't have any sins, at least not when I wrote him.
Basically, Walker is everything that the Chewy Walrus isn't. Not that he's evil. Not any more so than me or you or the characters that we, respectively, write.
No. Walker is human, in the purest sense of the word. He makes bad choices. We've seen him do it. He has a dark side to him, which we've seen as well. However, he is not intended to be immoral (or amoral, as Euro said). Rather, he is intended to have the same questionable morality of any man who does not yet know his own place in the world.
I'm having a great deal of fun writing Walker and discovering new ways to make him "bleed" (in the literary sense). Mortals bleed. Humans are mortals. I want to make Walker "bleed". I want him to be so human that when the posters on this board look at him, they can't help but see some of him in themselves, even if it is deep down. Because, in reality, I think we all have a bit of Dr. Charles Elias Walker in us.
As for the group being "villains," well, I can't see how you can read the EPS portions and still consider them foes and nemeses. The Side-Show was not a bloodbath until Lochlan made it one. The Zoo was a simple recon mission. The only reason my characters were brought into the story was because Euro brought them in (not that I'm complaining, mind you). Walker's intervention in the 'revolution' will be explained later, where I hope to reveal a bit more about his ever expanding character. However, the only reason I agreed to a 'revolution' at all was because I felt it would "blur the line" that had been established that suddenly made the EPS evil. Gooz's first post in that arc, in my mind, does the PERFECT job of that by showing Turner's nonchalance about killing a rampaging metahuman and "mercy-killing" a group of dying children. He did something similar in the Side-Show, which I thought was absolutely brilliant of him. However, if all you can see is villainy in that, than I can't change your own near-sightedness.
I've said all that, essentially, to say this: Walker is ten times more dynamic than the Chewy Walrus ever was. I hope to write him for a very long time. Granted, Avatar, Gooz, and I might disagree on a lot of things, but the ONE thing (there may be others... I don't really know) is that the EPS is an organization that is neither good nor bad, black nor white. We exist and operate in shades of grey (hence the color of Walker's jumpsuit, for those wondering).
One thing that Gooz and I talked about early on (and I'm talking early on... like Issue #0 and the founding of the EPS) was the basis of a character on the contents and ideas in Machievelli's classic, The Prince. Originally, the idea was for Turner to be driven by the words of the book, but soon, it became incredibly evident that Walker and his EPS were, collectively, very Machievellian. When Avatar suggested the Side-Show mission, he said to me (and I quote), "The EPS needs to do something Machievellian nasty." The genocide idea was his own... I only provided the necessary backdrop for it to take place.
Which brings me to what I wanted to say two paragraphs ago (writing as I think always gets me rambling ): If Walker ever stops being a dynamic character or if I ever get bored with him, I'll stop writing him altogether. That's my promise and pledge to you all right now. I'll drop him and start developing a new character. However, with everything accomplishable in Walker's character at this point in time, I can see myself writing Walker for a very, very long time...
I hope my little "apologetic" rant helped clear some things up a bit...
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Here's hoping my post fits in continuity wise.
Is it just me, or is the current story more of a collection of subplots than anything else?
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It's not just you. I've noticed the same thing. I'm not sure it's a bad thing, but I hope we let the story go to however long it's going to take to do the title and "main plot" justice, instead of capping it off at X amount of pages just because it's getting a little long. Perhaps people are just "setting the stage" a bit more, as a continuation of "Selling Out," the main stage-setting issue.
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Chewy: Excellent analysis on Chewy and Walker. I couldn't agree MORE with your interpretation of "human" characters. Look at Pro. And the length of your post! I thought I was reading one of my own by mistake..... But, as I see it, you must forgive us MBLers, as, the characters themselves don't know Walker's true motivation. To them, they probably just see the EPS as "the bad guys". I mean, they aren't privy to the kind of analysis you've just given. Only to what they've seen in the stories. In any sense, I'll try not to infer too much "evil" on the parts of the group, as, really, I have no idea what they're all about. Hell, I'm just barely making out this new world, as is. But, I must say, I never saw anything wrong with Chewy. He's THE MAN! Except for his unexplicable need to censor cursing.....what's THAT all about? As for the length of this story, I'm loving it. This is exactly what I was talking about. Just writing to write. It allows everyone to get out what they want to say, and, in turns, allows us to flesh out our characters. As for the main intent of the plot, we'll get there in our own time. That's, for me, the beauty of it.
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In a way I think that the EPS is the law enforcment that the country needs. The Revolutionaries took out the MCCA and look at the result, hundreds upon hundreds of innocent people were killed in a revolution by metas. Maybe if the MCCA still existed, this would not have happened.
That or I could be working for the
Eh, no, Gooz, sorry, but the Revolutionaries took out TriVex, it was Turner to destroy the MCCA! ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
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