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Dave the Wonder Boy said:
"A thousand years will pass and the guilt of Germany will not be erased."
----Hans Frank, Germany's Governor General of Poland, before he was hanged at Nuremberg

I say this as an American of German descent, who is largely proud of his German history. But in this case, let the punishment fit the crime !

I've dated three women who immigrated to Germany, before coming to the U.S.
Two were Polish, and one Iranian. All quite beautiful. All said that it was the most cold and racist place they've ever lived, and they were treated, more than anywhere else they've lived, "like foreigners".

I've also seen several articles about attacks on immigrants to Germany as well, beyond these personal accounts.

I once met a man named Charlupsky, a former Polish Jew who immigrated to the U.S. after the war with his wife. Both he and his wife had survived Auschwitz.
We had a conversation one day about WW II, and I was unaware at that point of his past. And just very casually and calmly in a matter-of-fact way, he rolled up his sleeve and showed me the Nazi-imprinted numbers tattooed on his arm. He said he and his wife had survived Auschwitz.
I've seen a lot of documentaries, about how the burned ashes dispersed in the fields surrounding Auschwitz elevated the ground six feet, I've seen footage of bulldozers pushing a panorama of emaciated naked corpses into a mass grave. But nothing struck me with more horror about these events than this amiable 70-year old man standing right in front of me with the numbers tattooed on his arm.

So I know in some ways it seems disproportionate, but from the examples I just gave. No, I don't think the message has fully sunk in.

Yours is the only country in Europe that actually tried to protect its Jews, and didn't eagerly hand them over to the Germans.

And many Jews who tried to return to their native towns, post-war, were driven out, or killed by the local population, NOT the Germans.
Hence the need for a Jewish homeland in Israel, in 1948.

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On a different issue, Chant, how do you feel about France selling a nuclear reactor to Saddam Hussein's Iraq, that the Israelis bombed to the ground in 1981 ?

And how do you feel about Russia selling reactors to Iran, that the Iranians, it seems quite clear, are attempting to use to create weapons grade plutonium?

How do you feel about a nuclear armed North Korea?

Or a Libya that almost went nuclear, before they chose to submit to U.N. dismantlement of it in recent weeks?

Does it alarm you that these fanatical regimes have or are/were on the brink of obtaining nukes ? It seems that Europeans are suicidally indifferent to this, while Americans are very concerned.
Which is extremely odd to me, since Europeans are within much closer missile range to these rogue countries.

And how do you feel that it is EUROPEAN states that are providing this capability to fanatical and fundamentalist/extremist states?
It seems to me that countries like France and Russia lose all credibility as diplomatically "responsible" nations when they so carelessly hand out this technology to rogue nations.


And I'm mystified what the logic is, that Europeans have no problem with these nuclear transactions, but have a huge problem with U.S. removal of a regime that has a long checklist of evil beyond WMD's, 12 years of U.N. defiance, and that the world is unquestionably a better place without.

It just makes no sense to me.



Jeez, you make me sound like a villain!

It seems you have me at a disadvantage! I wouldn't know what to say to man who had survived a Nazi deathcamp.

"Don't lay a cloak of guilt on me because others are evil!"

That's a qoute from a book I read, it sounds ridiculous to qoute a fantasy book, but it makes sense. Why should I, you or anyone be held responsible for what others did?
There is no reason, no sane reason and to say otherwise is, in my humble opinion, to belie anything justice stands for.

How do I feel like certain countries having or obtaining Nuclear weapons?
You want me to be honest, or do you want me to lie?

I'll dare tell the truth!

The same way I feel about America having nukes, or Russia, or Britain, or France, or any other nation in possession of nukes. There should be no nuclear weapons in this world.
Granted, there are some countries I would rather see having nukes than others.
But it all comes down to one thing, I think, that the fact remains that there is only one nation that has EVER used nuclear weapons to attack another nation.
That was to win a war some would say, and they're right!
They are absolutely right, but I wonder, did that certain nation really do the world a favour in using those nukes?



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