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2340, and McDonalds opens its 10,000th Martian family restaurant on Golombek Avenue.
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Getting those things to see where they're going was a pretty big hurdle. It's not at all like driving an RC car when it takes several minutes to send commands and receive information back. The things have to take care of themselves when rolling around out there. I'm amazed we haven't hit any more technical snags.
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NASA to Release Significant Mars FindingsBy JOHN ANTCZAK, Associated Press Writer LOS ANGELES - The Opportunity rover has apparently found something on Mars that's got scientist buzzing back on Earth. NASA (news - web sites) plans to announce Tuesday "significant findings" involving the six-wheeled rover that has been searching the dusty martian landscape since January for any history of water. "The primary mission of the rovers really dealt with the history of water on Mars and we'll be reporting new findings that bear on that," NASA spokesman Don Savage said Monday from Washington, D.C. "I can't go into any detail without telling you what it was." Since NASA launched the twin robot geologists last summer, scientists hoped the rovers would find minerals that could reveal whether the planet ever was wet enough to support life. Other than a statement characterizing the findings as "significant," the space agency revealed no details in advance. However, participants in the twin rover mission managed by the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., said last week that scientists were excited by data that Opportunity was sending back to Earth. Opportunity has been studying an outcropping of layered rock close to its landing site in a small crater on an area of Mars called Meridiani Planum. A piece dubbed "El Capitan" has generated much of the latest interest. Rob Manning, a mission manager, said a week ago that he couldn't comment on the science team's speculation about the findings but that there was "probably as much enthusiasm as we've ever had by the science team and a lot of intense discussions over these last several days." Opportunity, as well as its twin Spirit, has been using microscopic photography, rock abrasion tools that grind off surface layers and spectrometers to examine the martian landscape. While Opportunity has stayed close to its landing site to explore the outcropping, Spirit has been traveling on the other side of the planet, studying rocks and soil en route to a big crater named "Bonneville" that scientists hope will give the rover a view of geology well below the surface.
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Opportunity Rover Finds Strong Evidence Meridiani Planum Was WetScientists have concluded the part of Mars that NASA's Opportunity rover is exploring was soaking wet in the past. Evidence the rover found in a rock outcrop led scientists to the conclusion. Clues from the rocks' composition, such as the presence of sulfates, and the rocks' physical appearance, such as niches where crystals grew, helped make the case for a watery history. "Liquid water once flowed through these rocks. It changed their texture, and it changed their chemistry," said Dr. Steve Squyres of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., principal investigator for the science instruments on Opportunity and its twin, Spirit. "We've been able to read the tell-tale clues the water left behind, giving us confidence in that conclusion." Dr. James Garvin, lead scientist for Mars and lunar exploration at NASA Headquarters, Washington, said, "NASA launched the Mars Exploration Rover mission specifically to check whether at least one part of Mars ever had a persistently wet environment that could possibly have been hospitable to life. Today we have strong evidence for an exciting answer: Yes." Opportunity has more work ahead. It will try to determine whether, besides being exposed to water after they formed, the rocks may have originally been laid down by minerals precipitating out of solution at the bottom of a salty lake or sea. The first views Opportunity sent of its landing site in Mars' Meridiani Planum region five weeks ago delighted researchers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., because of the good fortune to have the spacecraft arrive next to an exposed slice of bedrock on the inner slope of a small crater. The robotic field geologist has spent most of the past three weeks surveying the whole outcrop, and then turning back for close-up inspection of selected portions. The rover found a very high concentration of sulfur in the outcrop with its alpha particle X-ray spectrometer, which identifies chemical elements in a sample. "The chemical form of this sulfur appears to be in magnesium, iron or other sulfate salts," said Dr. Benton Clark of Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver. "Elements that can form chloride or even bromide salts have also been detected." At the same location, the rover's Moessbauer spectrometer, which identifies iron-bearing minerals, detected a hydrated iron sulfate mineral called jarosite. Germany provided both the alpha particle X- ray spectrometer and the Moessbauer spectrometer. Opportunity's miniature thermal emission spectrometer has also provided evidence for sulfates. On Earth, rocks with as much salt as this Mars rock either have formed in water or, after formation, have been highly altered by long exposures to water. Jarosite may point to the rock's wet history having been in an acidic lake or an acidic hot springs environment. The water evidence from the rocks' physical appearance comes in at least three categories, said Dr. John Grotzinger, sedimentary geologist from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge: indentations called "vugs," spherules and crossbedding. Pictures from the rover's panoramic camera and microscopic imager reveal the target rock, dubbed "El Capitan," is thoroughly pocked with indentations about a centimeter (0.4 inch) long and one-fourth or less that wide, with apparently random orientations. This distinctive texture is familiar to geologists as the sites where crystals of salt minerals form within rocks that sit in briny water. When the crystals later disappear, either by erosion or by dissolving in less-salty water, the voids left behind are called vugs, and in this case they conform to the geometry of possible former evaporite minerals. Round particles the size of BBs are embedded in the outcrop. From shape alone, these spherules might be formed from volcanic eruptions, from lofting of molten droplets by a meteor impact, or from accumulation of minerals coming out of solution inside a porous, water-soaked rock. Opportunity's observations that the spherules are not concentrated at particular layers in the outcrop weigh against a volcanic or impact origin, but do not completely rule out those origins. Layers in the rock that lie at an angle to the main layers, a pattern called crossbedding, can result from the action of wind or water. Preliminary views by Opportunity hint the crossbedding bears hallmarks of water action, such as the small scale of the crossbedding and possible concave patterns formed by sinuous crestlines of underwater ridges. The images obtained to date are not adequate for a definitive answer. So scientists plan to maneuver Opportunity closer to the features for a better look. "We have tantalizing clues, and we're planning to evaluate this possibility in the near future," Grotzinger said. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington. For information about NASA and the Mars mission on the Internet, visit http://www.nasa.gov. Images and additional information about the project are also available at http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov and http://athena.cornell.edu.
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NASA's Other Rover Also Finds Evidence of WaterBy JOHN ANTCZAK, Associated Press WriterPASADENA, Calif. - NASA's Spirit rover has found evidence of past water activity in a volcanic rock on the other side of Mars from where its twin, Opportunity, discovered signs that ground there had once been drenched. The amount of water at Spirit's site in Gusev Crater would have been much less than what is indicated at Opportunity's site in Meridiani Planum, Ray Arvidson, deputy principal investigator of the rover mission, said Friday. The findings came from aggressive study of a rock dubbed "Humphrey" that Spirit came across en route from its landing site to a big crater named "Bonneville," Arvidson told a Jet Propulsion Laboratory news conference. Spirit used its rock abrasion tool to grind below the rock surface and reveal cracks filled with apparent minerals, an indicator of water action familiar to geologists studying Earth rocks. "I think the best bet is that water was in the magma and as the magma crystallized, kind of last stages of the fluids led to formation of these white deposits ... and perhaps produced some minerals that filled in the cracks," he said. Scientists are unable to determine when the water may have been present but the evidence suggests it was during the long-ago formation of the planet. Scientists making the historic announcement about Opportunity's discovery earlier this week could not say whether there had been standing surface water or even an ocean there, but data showed water had flowed or percolated through those rocks. Arvidson said there was much less water indicated by "Humphrey." "I don't think it was a ground water percolation, necessarily, but probably water that came up with the magma," he said. Both rovers continued to work well, mission officials said. Jim Bell, lead scientist for the rovers' panoramic cameras, also said Opportunity had photographed a solar eclipse caused by the passage of the martian moon Deimos across the sun, but scientists were waiting for images to be sent to Earth.
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There was no doubt in my mind that there had been running water on Mars in the distant past. It was a gut feeling of mine.
How wonderful to know I ( And many others who felt as I did. ) that it was a correct feeling!
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NASA: Mars' Surface Had Pool of Water By ANDREW BRIDGES, AP Science Writer PASADENA, Calif. - Mars once had a briny pool of standing water on its surface that could have supported life in the now-frozen planet's distant past, NASA scientists said Tuesday. Scientists announced earlier this month that the Opportunity rover found evidence of water long ago on Mars, but it was unclear whether the water was underground or on the surface. The new findings suggest there was a pool of saltwater at least two inches deep. A rocky outcropping examined by the rover had ripple patterns and concentrations of salt — considered telltale signs that the rock formed in standing water. The findings add to the growing body of evidence that the Red Planet was once was a warmer and wetter place that may have been conducive to life. "We think Opportunity is now parked on what was once the shoreline of a salty sea on Mars," said Cornell University astronomer Steve Squyres, the mission's main scientist. Although Squyres referred to the water as a sea, scientists said it was not clear how big the body of water might have been or whether it was a permanent fixture. Instead, the site could have been a desert basin or salt flat that periodically flooded with water. The evidence also does not indicate when water covered the broad and flat region where Opportunity landed, called Meridiani Planum, or for how long. Nor does it indicate if any organisms actually lived on Mars.
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There are so many great pictures, here are a few of them, from earlier links:
Viking 1:
Humanity's first view of Mars from the surface came in July 1976 when Viking 1 touched down in this field of rocks in the Chryse Planitia. The craft's sampler arm mucked with the surface, leaving marks in the foreground
Big Joe:
The large rock just left of center at the Viking 1 site is 6 feet (2 meters) wide and named Big Joe by Viking scientists. The top of the rock is covered with -- guess what? -- red dust.
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This Martian sunset created a red sky because dust in the thin atmosphere absorbs blue light, leaving the red to pass through, scientists say.
Get Real! :
These views of a Martian sunset have been false-colored by NASA scientists to enhance details. Come January 2004, new NASA rovers will begin sending new pictures from two other locations.
Mars is a place, much like Nevada !
This is a wide angle view of the martian north polar cap as it appeared to the Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) in early northern summer. The picture was acquired on March 13, 1999, near the start of the Mapping Phase of the MGS mission. The light-toned surfaces are residual water ice that remains through the summer season. The nearly circular band of dark material surrounding the cap consists mainly of sand dunes formed and shaped by wind. The north polar cap is roughly 1100 kilometers (680 miles) across.
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This approximate true-color image taken by NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity shows an unusual, lumpy rock informally named "Wopmay" on the lower slopes of "Endurance Crater." Scentists believe the lumps in Wopmay may be related to cracking and alteration processes, possibly caused by exposure to water.
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THE NATION
Mars Rovers Growing Old on the Job
By John Johnson, Times Staff Writer
Winter on Mars is a cruel season.
Nights are long. The sun is a shrunken orb, appearing half its size from Earth. With temperatures plunging to a heart-stopping minus 175 degrees, there is little relief from the alien chill.
What lies ahead is even worse: dust storm season, when howling, planet-wide siroccos can claw at the surface and choke the atmosphere.
NASA's twin rovers, Spirit and Opportunity, have been operating in this brutal environment since they landed on Mars in January.
And it shows.
Solar panels are covered with dust, cutting power by a quarter. Spirit's right front wheel turned balky, forcing controllers to drive in reverse, dragging the wheel behind like a gangrenous leg. Two temperature sensors on Opportunity are out, and a heater on its extension arm has been stuck in the on position since its January landing.
After notching a series of scientific successes, including finding proof that water once flowed on the Red Planet, the rovers are growing creaky with age.
Rover Project Manager Jim Erickson compares them to "a middle-aged man playing softball who should be in better shape. He's more susceptible to pulling a muscle."
Or dropping dead of a heart attack. This month, Spirit was brought to a dead stop by steering problems; luckily, when controllers tried later Spirit responded as if nothing was wrong.
In fact, Jet Propulsion Laboratory scientists have already begun preparing for the inevitable end of the $835-million mission.
"We have two precious assets on Mars that the taxpayers bought," Erickson said. "The best answer of what to do with them is run them into the ground."
They're trying hard, recently ordering the gimpy Spirit into a set of hills with inclines steeper than most ski slopes on Earth.
Intended to last three months, the mission has twice been extended.
Expected to cover just a few hundred yards, the rovers have traveled more than three miles (one mile for Opportunity and 2 1/4 for Spirit).
That's not the farthest off-world commute. Apollo astronauts piloted a lunar rover nearly 19 miles in the heat of the space race. In 1973, the Soviets remotely drove their Lunakhod 2 robotic rover 23 miles.
But off-roading on Mars is different from cruising the Moon, which at 240,000 miles from Earth is a stone's throw compared to the minimum distance to Mars of 40 million miles. Communication with the moon takes four seconds. Messages to Mars can take 20 minutes. In that time, a rover could roll off a cliff.
Mission scientists were surprised the rovers have lasted as long as they have, said Rick Welch, a mission manager. "It's pretty amazing, given their age."
The glory days of the Mars rover mission have passed. Inside mission control these days, there's sometimes only a handful of people keeping watch over the rovers — a far cry from the breakneck pace that swept JPL when the rovers landed nine months ago.
Each week brought new discoveries and news conferences, often accompanied by popping corks and backslaps.
As the rovers disappeared from the front pages, the rover team has been cut in half from a high of 250. Thirteen-hour work days, staggered to start an hour later each day to stay on Mars time, where the day is 40 minutes longer, are no longer de rigueur.
"It was stressful early," said Chris Leger, one of seven robot drivers, who wore 3D goggles and T-shirts with checkered flags on the back. Compared to those high-energy days, driving time "is pretty short now."
The rovers were launched in summer 2003 while the nation was still reeling from the loss a few months earlier of the space shuttle Columbia.
Then, as the two rovers and their orbiters closed in on the Red Planet, the European spacecraft, Beagle 2, disappeared while heading for a Mars landing Dec. 24. That solidified Mars' long record as the place where spacecraft went to die.
As a result, observers and scientists were holding their breath as Spirit descended to the Martian surface Jan. 3. The mission was deceptively simple. To search for evidence that liquid water once flowed on the parched surface of the planet. Although it's known that stores of water ice are locked up below-ground, it was not clear whether lakes, rivers, or even oceans ever existed. If they did, that would bolster theories that Mars could have sustained life.
From the start, fate smiled on the mission. "Opportunity hit a hole-in-one" on its landing site at Meridiani Planum, a flat plain the size of Oklahoma, Erickson said.
Two months into the planned 90-day mission, Opportunity found the evidence everyone had been awaiting. Mars had flowing water. Charles Elachi, JPL's director, said the discovery could cause a seismic shift in human perception comparable to when 16th century astronomers determined that the Earth was not the center of the universe.
JPL threw a party. There was more backslapping, and superlatives like "history-making" were tossed around. The primary goal was met.
But Spirit and Opportunity weren't ready to quit.
They still aren't.
As the rovers plug along over the forbidding Martian landscape as if out for a leisurely drive, keeping them productive has required scientists to become robot gerontologists.
Spirit and Opportunity have been nagged by small problems since the beginning. First, Spirit had trouble deploying its antenna to face Earth. A piece of the crumpled air bag that had protected it during its landing prevented the rover's exit ramp from reaching the ground. There were computer problems transmitting data and a heater on Opportunity got stuck in the on position, wasting power.
Although JPL referred to these as hiccups, no problem is minor when you're driving on another planet.
JPL engineers addressed the glitches one by one.
Sometimes doing nothing is the best solution. After a pebble recently fouled Opportunity's rock-grinding device, JPL scientists began concocting plans to jar it loose. Instead, it dropped out on its own.
Other problems have been more difficult to solve.
In early July, during Spirit's two-month trek to the 330-foot-tall Columbia Hills, scientists found a problem in the right front wheel. "It was drawing three times the current of the other wheels," said Erickson, the project manager. "We were concerned it would fail."
The culprit was friction. Joe Melko, a systems engineer on the rover project, said only a small amount of lubricant was used in the wheel housings; the weather on Mars is so extreme that extra lubricant would just freeze and gum things up.
Melko wondered if driving the rover in reverse would take some pressure off the bad wheel. After testing the idea with a replica rover at JPL's Martian test bed, an indoor lab covered in ruddy ground rock, the team decided to apply the strategy on Mars.
It worked.
Just as worrisome was the buildup of dust on the 14-square-foot solar panels. When full, the batteries store 900 watt-hours of power (enough to keep a 100-watt light bulb illuminated for nine hours). Driving the rovers doesn't use much power. The real energy drain was communicating with Earth. Running the few dozen mini-heaters that keep equipment warm was another high-cost item.
Going into the project, some engineers figured the buildup of dust after a few months would so interfere with the ability of the rovers to recharge their batteries that the rovers would die of power starvation.
As the weeks passed and dust built up, available power fell by as much as 28%. With the Martian winter coming on, the rovers needed more frequent rests.
As the power drained, there was nothing to do but watch and hope.
"You live with it," Erickson said.
Finally, the power situation seemed to stabilize, with a 25% drain on Spirit and 15% on Opportunity.
Given the age of the rovers and the array of glitches, one might think rover minders would be nursing Spirit and Opportunity into their dotage.
Nope.
Having completed the prime mission, JPL decided there was no reason to coddle its wandering robots.
"We'd gone way, way past what anybody expected us to do," said Steve Squyres of Cornell University, the principal investigator for the science instruments. "Now we've become much more aggressive."
Managers decided to see what these vehicles could do. With a top speed of 600 feet an hour, the drivers couldn't leave skid marks, but they found other ways to challenge the equipment.
After its trek to the Columbia Hills, named for the lost shuttle crew, Spirit went rock-climbing. It's ascended 38 feet, climbing grades as steep as 34 degrees.
Opportunity, now in Endurance Crater, may head for a piece of broken landscape about 3 miles away. Beyond that is the pit of Victoria Crater.
If it makes it that far, "we'll have a very old, tired rover," Squyres said.
The rovers have entered a new phase of exploration, in which discoveries are incremental.
In the Columbia Hills, Spirit has found "lots of soft, crumbly rock," the product of tens of millions of years of weather and water. These rocks are different from the hard rock the rover encountered on the plain, which scientists said meant the warm, wet period was early in Mars' existence.
"I envision something like salt flats," Squyres said. "They may have been knee-deep."
Some of the latest findings, based on analysis of a rock called Escher, have raised the possibility that there could have been two wet periods, at least where Opportunity is working.
As for the nature of the bodies of water, scientists had expected to find chemical carbonates in the rocks. "That was supposed to be the Holy Grail," Squyres said. "We found instead we were barking up the wrong tree."
Researchers kept finding rocks rich in sulfates. At first frustrated, the scientists now think the Martian seas could have been moderately acidic.
There are acidic bodies of water on Earth, notably some South American lakes and the Rio Tinto in Spain, a 58-mile-long, ruby-red river that is an other-worldly place all its own.
Squyres cautioned that "it would be a bad idea to swim in the Tinto. But these are environments teeming with life."
It doesn't prove life developed on Mars, but "it's a promising line of research," Squyres said.
No one is certain how much longer the rovers can survive — it could be days or years.
The mission got some good news in September when NASA extended funding for another six months. Mission manager Mark Adler said he thought that "as long as we're rolling we will continue to get funding."
After all, the twin Voyager spacecraft, now 9 billion miles from the sun, recently passed their 27th anniversaries on their way out of the solar system. Yet 12 people are still employed on the Voyager missions.
That type of longevity is unlikely for the rovers.
NASA's first rover on Mars, Sojourner, explored the planet for about three months in 1997 before it lost contact with mission control. The problem appeared to be with the spacecraft that landed on Mars and discharged the rover.
The craft mysteriously stopped sending signals to Earth, and Sojourner had no way to communicate on its own.
In case of a serious problem, Sojourner was programmed to drive back to the spacecraft.
As far as anyone knows, it is still waiting there.
And we're all rooting for it to go go go ...
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How exactly does that equipment survive in -100 degree Farenheit temperatures.
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So, we're bored with Mars now ? Is George Bush hogging the news? I vote we send HIM to Mars! That would put Mars back in the spotlight, pronto!!
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Current theories about our Sun say that the Sun will get hotter and hotter as it ages, someday making Earth too hot for life.
Mars would warm up enough that water would once again run on it's now arid surface. At that point, man would find it a good idea to live there.
So exploring Mars is a great idea for many reasons.
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I'm watching a show on The Science Channel about a simulated trip to Mars being performed on an island in Antarctica.
A six man crew built a habitat, uses space suits while away from it, etc.
They would have to bring their own water and recycle it.
They would bring a gizmo to look for water under the Martian surface.
If this mission were really on Mars, they would purify the Martian water and drink it.
I'm not sure that is a good idea. What if Martian water is poisonous to humans? Does anyone else feel reservations about this, as I do? Is there REALLY a way to make Martian water safe for human consumption?
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This thread is not dead. I know that I am as interested in all things Mars as I was when I was 19 and The two Viking Landers touched down safely on Mars on July 4, 1976.
Think of it! Mars, 142 million miles from the sun. Covered with sand, rocks, craters, and mystery! Mars! It was never conclusively decided whether or not there is or was life there.
I used to daydream as a young boy about beibg on the first manned mission to the enigmatic red planet.I have read books about travel to Mars. I have several astronomy books with photos of Mars. I painted and cut out the nine known planets of our solar system on heavy duty cardboard and fixed them to my bedroom wall with double sided tape, so that the planets appear to be suspended in their order from the sun with respect to relative sizes on my wall.
I have saved National Geographic issues with ANY articles on Mars.
I believe it is man's destiny to "Get our asses to Mars." In future, it may be possible to terraform the planet and make it habitable for man. But should we? Ought we to supplant even microbial life for our own needs? Is this a moral discussion?
Would YOU want to live on Mars? Is Mars a possibilty to revive our sagging economy by starting a colony there? It might be a source of many new jobs, industry, etc. Or would this colony rebel and become independant as the colonies did back in 1876?
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Software upgrade set to give Mars rovers a new lease on lifeThe doughty Mars rovers will celebrate their third anniversary on the Red Planet with new software that will make them smarter and more independent.
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Cool! It'll be interesting to see how Spirit and Opportunity function now that they have more autonomy.
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