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I don't buy the idea of "medical use" of marijuana.
I think it's a way for pottheads to circumvent the law and get high. And I fail to see that marijuana is somehow superior to other (legal) pain releivers.
Regarding whether Rush was putting his maid at risk, I think that's a lot of horse puckey. They would always prosecute Rush, and not the maid. And how do you know she didn't just pick up his Oxycontin at the drugstore from a prescription?(He could have maneuvered to get a legal prescription to fill his habit) I don't know that the details have been disclosed.
There are a lot of possibilities, possibly even that she solicited that she could get the drugs for him.
No doubt she was paid for her services, and could have refused. Next you'll tell me Rush held a gun to her head.
There are details we won't know until the police investigation of it is made public.
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Dave said: "No doubt she was paid for her services, and could have refused. Next you'll tell me Rush held a gun to her head."
Termination, scapegoating, possible threat of a bad reference...there are lots of kinds of guns.
Rush took an anti-drug-addiction position, all the while being hooked himself. Hypocrisy? Come to your own conclusion. My opinion is that Rush is a blowhard and quite possibly a racist. Now he'll never get that MNF gig he wanted.
Conservatives often get hung by their own petards. You've got Rush hooked to painkillers while spouting that drug addicts deserve prosecution. You've got Dr. Laura telling you how to live your life more godly and yet she was estranged from her own mother (how does that "honor they father and mother"?).
Conservatism thy name is fraud.
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Other drug-addicted individuals hardly had the kind of excuse he carried. Perhaps some, but you are ruling out the large number who are in it for the high.
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Funny. :lol: And timely seeing as how he'll be back on the air in a few hours.  quote:
November 16, 2003
ADDICTIONS
Turn World of Hurt Into a World of Good
Rush Limbaugh could help sway society to favor drug treatment over punishment
By Karl Fleming, Karl Fleming, a former Newsweek magazine and CBS journalist, regularly attends 12-step meetings in Los Angeles.
Rush Limbaugh is out of rehab and will be back on the air Monday. People seem to fall into two camps on his situation.
Some are gleeful at the thought Limbaugh might be going to jail. After all, they say, he's sneeringly derided other celebrity drug users, like Darryl Strawberry and Kurt Cobain, for being weak. And, as he told his television audience in 1995, "Too many whites are getting away with drug use…. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river." His defenders say Limbaugh should be judged by a different standard. He inadvertently got addicted while using a legal drug prescribed by his doctor. He's not like those immoral losers who used illegal drugs recreationally, and then got hooked.
But let's tell it like it is: Limbaugh is, by any standard, an addict. And I ought to know. It takes one to know one, and I am one. I and others who have an opinion based on fact and not prejudice know that whether you're snorting coke, smoking marijuana, shooting heroin, drinking Scotch or swallowing pills, if you're doing it and can't stop, then you're an addict. If we are to believe the evidence his maid turned over to police, Limbaugh may have committed felonies if, as alleged, he used her as his connection to buy thousands of prescription pills illegally — mostly Vicodin and the highly addictive OxyContin. Judged by his own harsh standard, Limbaugh should do the five years he could get if convicted in Florida for felony possession (or as much as 30 years for illegal trafficking).
I have disagreed with practically everything Limbaugh has ever said. And it's a fact he has behaved hypocritically on the drug issue. Still, I feel compassion for him, and I do not believe that jail is the appropriate societal response to whatever he may have done to get his drugs.
I've have been away from Jack Daniel's and "recreational" drugs for almost 16 years. And I understand — as do nearly all recovering addicts, alcoholics and experts — something Limbaugh hasn't understood: No amount of willpower or moral character can help him stop and stay stopped.
Over the years that I have remained in a 12-step program, I've seen priests, rabbis, combat fighter pilots, cops, championship athletes, entrepreneurs and countless others with strong moral character and unusual courage rendered totally powerless to break their drinking and drug habits on their own — not even when they faced ruination, insanity, imprisonment and death.
Limbaugh exemplifies this hard truth. He apparently, time and again, risked his career, his health, his wealth and even his freedom to keep on taking pills. This latest 30-day stay in a treatment center was his third time in such a place. Up to now, he has been unable to stop, despite what I am sure was tremendous effort and willpower on his own — and tremendous exposure to risk.
I am sure he will have been told in treatment, as the rest of us were told, that the odds are stacked heavily against his recovery, that an appallingly low percentage of alcoholics and addicts stays clean and sober and that virtually none can do so with a "white knuckle" approach. But he's also been told that he has a fighting chance if he is willing to be completely honest with himself and stick with a 12-step program.
He will have heard that he is wired differently than "normal" people. He will have been informed that nonaddictive people can have a martini, smoke a joint, do a line or pop a pill and stop, but that addicts have no defense against the second, third or 100th one. They can't stop once they start.
He will, like the rest of us, have heard that in order to defend against the first pill, he'll have to change his entire way of thinking. He'll have been told he can't afford the resentments (they are like acid; they eat the container), shame, guilt, dishonesty, cruelty and secrets that so-called normal people can get away with. This is because once the physical craving has abated, we alcoholics and addicts have to learn how to live comfortably with unresolved problems, because it's internal discomfort that makes us want to blunt the pain with drugs or drink. But he'll have heard over and over that sobriety is fun, that the 12-step program teaches you how to be happy, so that you don't need a drink or a pill.
He will have heard that though he is not responsible for the way he is wired, he can be and should be responsible for his recovery. He will in all likelihood have heard that his addiction is a shame, but that it shouldn't be a crime, that he is not a bad person trying to be good, just a sick person trying to get well.
State and federal prisons and local jails house roughly 450,000 "bad" people sent there for drug offenses, and more than 40% of drug offenders in state prisons — 105,000 — are there for possession and possession with intent to sell, according to the nonprofit Sentencing Project. That number includes many hooked on the same drugs that got Limbaugh in their grip. California has 14,235 people in prison for drug possession, and another 34,850 behind bars for selling drugs, done mostly to support their own habits. The cost now is $28,440 a year to house someone in a California prison. Most of the drug users will be back, year after expensive year, unless they are offered and accept effective alternative treatment.
California's Proposition 36, which allows judges to sentence first- and second-time drug users to recovery programs instead of jail, is a good step in the right direction. But the need is still great. A report by the state's Little Hoover Commission released last week noted that while three-quarters of California's 160,000 prisoners have drug or alcohol problems, only 6% of them get treatment while incarcerated.
With his national radio platform and his ability to sway people, Limbaugh could make a real difference in this country by persuading the public and politicians that offering more recovery programs as an alternative to prison is a common-sense solution — though not a cure-all to be sure — to our national plague of drugs and alcohol. He could give politicians the courage to divert much of the money we now spend on interdiction and incarceration to treatment and education, especially to acquaint kids in schools with the warning signs of addiction before they start experimenting.
If Limbaugh is like the rest of us who've been where he recently has, he's probably felt pretty ashamed of himself for not being able to quit, for not being a real man. I hope he isn't still. I hope he is feeling sympathy for himself. And I hope he is beginning to feel empathy instead of contempt for others who are struggling against addiction. If he does, he will in my view become a true warrior for a morally good, effective and fiscally sane cause, and thereby become a true compassionate conservative.
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Originally posted by whomod:
Karl Fleming, a former Newsweek magazine and CBS journalist
But there's no liberal media...riiiight... ![[yuh huh]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif)
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G-man, did you even bother to read the article??
He wasn't attacking Rush. But of course you read who he worked for and the ol knee jerk kicks in.
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I didn't mean to imply that he (a member of the media) was liberal for attacking Rush.
I meant to imply he was liberal for his views on drugs.
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On Monday, he denounced those who called him a hypocrite for saying drug users should get stiff prison sentences. quote:
"Just because I may have been doing something that appeared to be contradictory to what I was suggested others do doesn't mean that what I was suggesting others do was wrong," he said. "Critics want to harp on all this hypocrisy, there is no hypocrisy in this."
No, Rush dear, the hypocrisy is that you jumped at going into to cushy rehab instead of jail.
The hypocrisy is that when you make stupid statements like the one above, it's "Brilliant"; and when anyone you don't like does it, it's slimy, hypocritcal, linguine-spined, lies and nonsense...Riiiiight...
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Limbaugh Returns to Airwaves After Rehab
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh returned to his radio show on Monday after being treated for addiction to painkillers and assured listeners his therapy had not turned him into a "linguine-spined liberal."
On Monday, he denounced those who called him a hypocrite for saying drug users should get stiff prison sentences.
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"Just because I may have been doing something that appeared to be contradictory to what I was suggested others do doesn't mean that what I was suggesting others do was wrong," he said. "Critics want to harp on all this hypocrisy, there is no hypocrisy in this." ![[eh?]](images/icons/confused.gif)
No, Rush dear, the hypocrisy is that you jumped at going into to cushy rehab instead of jail.
The hypocrisy is that when you make stupid statements like the one above, it's "Brilliant"; and when anyone you don't like does it, it's slimy, hypocritcal, linguine-spined, lies and nonsense...Riiiiight...
If it wasn't for the checkout counter tabloid getting the dirt on Limbo's drug habit, do you really think he would have come forward? Not likely. Now he needs a "liberal lawyer" and a "liberal judge" to get him sprung.
Does this man have ANY credibility left??
Rush Limbaugh's Lies
Pt. II
Limbaugh's Fans Are Certain They're Right
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I'll preface this by saying that I've never been a huge Rush fan.
Both liberals and conservitives are human and make mistakes. Some bigger than others. Rush Limbaugh is a drug addict, plain and simple and antone who fails to see it that way is blinded by thier ideology. The thing is alot of liberals make the case that no one can make any statement regarding right or wrong unless they're perfect. People change thier perspectives, I think that the statements that Rush made concerning drug users (dealers are another story) was wrong and over the top. What is NEVER mentioned is the fact that he made the statement almost 10 years ago and prior to his own addiction. Hopefully now that he has dealt with this first hand he'll favor treatment over encareration. But does this mean that we're to disregard everything the man says? Listening to most liberals lately you'd think that conservitism has been disproven with the failings of one man.
I'm going to say up front that I believe there is right and wrong, but also that I'm not perfect and often do what's wrong.
If you want to deal with what the man says, then fine we have an argument, but don't try point to a mans sin as a negation of his arguments.
It's late so I appologise if this post seems to be rambling.
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Originally posted by wannabuyamonkey:
But does this mean that we're to disregard everything the man says? Listening to most liberals lately you'd think that conservitism has been disproven with the failings of one man.
If you want to deal with what the man says, then fine we have an argument, but don't try point to a mans sin as a negation of his arguments.
I don't think conservatism itself has been disproven. Just Rush Limbaugh. And his "sin" isn't drug addiction, his sin is hypocrisy. His statements on Monday show he still doesn't get it. and as the article I posted on the previous page made clear, addiction isn't about any "weakness" or "moral failings" that need punishment. That's something I don't think some conservatives are ready to accept yet.
hy·poc·ri·sy (h-pkr-s)
n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies
The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
Hmmmmm . .
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"Just because I may have been doing something that appeared to be contradictory to what I was suggest[ing] others do doesn't mean that what I was suggesting others do was wrong," he said. "Critics want to harp on all this hypocrisy, there is no hypocrisy in this."
It didn't 'appear' to be contradictory-- it *was* contradictory.
His ego seems unaffected, and addicts with unaffected egos continue to use. We'll see....
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addiction isn't about any "weakness" or "moral failings" that need punishment.
Would you agree that addiction is a "weakness" or "moral failing" that needs treatment? If that's the case then I whole heartedly agree with you, but I can't speak for conservitives as a whole.
On the issue of hypocracy, I could make a blanket statement that sin is bad. That's a true statement and yet I know that i sin. I would only be a hypocrite if I claimed to be above sin.
As far as that quote went I couldn't make heads nor tails of it grammatically. I didn't listen on Monday, but i did briefly today and I heard him talk to a caller and he mentioned the people he met in rehab and mentioned that all types of people are in danger of becoming addicts and he even went as far as to say that imprisonment wouldn't help any of them, but that it's a weakness that had to be faced.
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Top Ten Signs Rush Limbaugh Might Not Be Ready To Come Back To Work
10. "Accidentally" falls down stairs 2, 3 times a day to get the pain pills
9. Named his two new puppies "Oxy" and "Contin"
8. Keeps going up to the roof to see if he can fly like that guy from "The Matrix"
7. Thoroughly enjoyed last night's "Becker"
6. He's currently following Phish around the Pacific northwest
5. Responds to all callers, "Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty"
4. Could swear he saw sheep being herded down Broadway
3. Yesterday he did a three hour show into the drive-thru speaker at Jack in the Box
2. These days, only 80% blowhard
1. Released amateur sex video making love to himself
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Someone is about to become someone elses boyfreind.  quote:
Investigators say Limbaugh engaged in "doctor shopping" for pills
By JILL BARTON
Associated Press Writer
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — Investigators who searched the offices of Rush Limbaugh's doctors said in warrants filed Thursday that the conservative radio commentator engaged in illegal drug use and "doctor shopping" for prescription painkillers.
The warrants show investigators were looking for medical, insurance and appointment records for Limbaugh as well as cash receipts and prescription forms. No charges have been filed and no arrests have been made.
"Mr. Limbaugh's actions violate the letter, and spirit" of the law that relates to doctor shopping, stated one of warrants, signed by Asim Brown, a law enforcement agent assigned to the state attorney's office anti-money laundering task force. Doctor shopping refers to looking for a doctor willing to prescribe drugs illegally, or getting prescriptions for a single drug from more than one doctor at the same time.
Limbaugh denied any wrongdoing to listeners on his radio show earlier in the day and accused prosecutors in Palm Beach County of going on a "fishing expedition."
"What these records show is that Mr. Limbaugh suffered extreme pain and had legitimate reasons for taking pain medication. Unfortunately, because of Mr. Limbaugh's prominence and well-known political opinions, he is being subjected to an invasion of privacy no citizen of this republic should endure," Limbaugh attorney Roy Black said in a statement, which Limbaugh read.
State Attorney Barry Krischer said in a statement that Limbaugh's rights have been "scrupulously protected."
"Whether Mr. Limbaugh is subject to prosecution for any crimes is still under investigation. Mr. Limbaugh is presumed innocent," Krischer said. Spokesman Mike Edmondson declined to comment further on the investigation.
The warrants show that prosecutors began their investigation in December 2002 after meeting with Limbaugh's former maid, Wilma Cline, who told them she sold Limbaugh "large quantities of Hydrocodone, Oxycontin and other pharmaceutical drugs in Palm Beach County over the course of many years."
Cline provided investigators with e-mails and answering machine recordings to support her claims.
The medical offices were raided Nov. 25 after investigators examined five months' of records from Palm Beach pharmacies near Limbaugh's $24 million oceanfront mansion that they say support the doctor-shopping allegations.
"The prescriptions were issued sometimes in the same week and less than 30 days apart," the warrants said. "Mr. Limbaugh alternated physicians to obtain overlapping prescriptions" and failed to disclose one doctor to another.
The records seized name four doctors and prescriptions for more than 2,100 pills from March 24 through September 26. The medications include the powerful painkillers Oxycontin, Lorcet, Norco, Hydrocodone and Kadian. In addition, Limbaugh received prescriptions for the anti-anxiety drug Xanax, the cholesterol-lowering drug Niacin and Clonodine, which treats high blood pressure.
Limbaugh reported two years ago that he had lost most of his hearing because of an autoimmune inner-ear disease, but some medical experts have said abusing painkillers can lead to profound hearing loss.
Two of the four search warrants filed Thursday in Palm Beach Circuit Court were executed at the offices of Jupiter Outpatient Surgery Center. A third was executed at Palm Beach Ear, Nose and Throat Association in Palm Beach Gardens. A fourth for the same location has not yet been executed.
The physicians named in the warrants are Dr. Nathaniel Drourr, Dr. Antonio De La Cruz, Dr. Lawrence Deziel and Dr. John Murray. Drourr and officials at both centers declined comment, citing privacy laws. Murray did not return a phone call seeking comment. De La Cruz could not be immediately reached.
Limbaugh recently returned to his weekday radio show after stunning listeners in October that he would be entering a drug rehabilitation program because of his addiction to prescription painkillers.
Limbaugh said his doctors' records will clear him and questioned in the statement the tactics used in the investigation.
"We won't speculate on why the State Attorney's Office is handling Mr. Limbaugh's case the way it is. But what should be a responsible investigation is looking more and more like a fishing expedition."
The statement also said: "Let us make our position clear: Rush Limbaugh is not part of a drug ring. He was never a target of a drug investigation. He became addicted to a prescription drug during legitimate medical treatment. He has publicly admitted this problem and has successfully sought treatment which continues today."
Black did not return a call seeking comment.
Last month, a law enforcement source who spoke on condition of anonymity said authorities were also investigating whether Limbaugh illegally funneled money to buy prescription painkillers. The radio host responded with a blanket denial of the allegations Nov. 19, his third day back on the air.
Authorities learned two years ago during an investigation of U.S. Trust bank in New York that Limbaugh withdrew cash 30 to 40 times from his account at amounts just under the $10,000 limit that requires the bank to report the transaction to the federal government, ABC News reported last month. A bank employee was reported to have delivered some cash to Limbaugh.
Following the report, Limbaugh told listeners it was misleading and said that he had the bank bring cash to him at his New York office "maybe four times, if that many." Otherwise, he said he obtained cash from a bank in Florida, where he was living.
"When I went to get cash, I took a check to the bank. I went to the bank officer. I said, `Here's my check,' and they gave me the cash. There were witnesses to this," he said then.
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On the Net:
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December 4, 2003 - 6:16 p.m. PST
Rush Limbo has changed his politically biased format and will now ONLY talk about
who is out to get him
how LIBERALs HATE America
and why taking drugs is OK for fat white men, but no one else.
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Rush's situation is just one of many that reveal why those who claim the moral superiority (often of the Right) need only to wait a bit before life hoists them by their own petard.
Everybody gets their comeuppance.
Karma.
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Can you say "Kangaroo Kourt"? Limbaugh Prosecutor a Janet Reno Democrat quote:
Palm Beach County state attorney Barry Krischer, whose office announced yesterday it has seized the medical records of top radio host Rush Limbaugh, is a Democrat who strongly supported frequent Limbaugh target Janet Reno when she was nominated to be U.S. attorney general in 1993.
Indeed, early indications were that Florida prosecutors viewed the case against the top rated radio host as weak.
Assistant State Attorney James Martz, the Florida prosecutor who heads up a task force on money-laundering, told the Palm Beach Post in October that he is more interested in pursuing drug ring kingpins than in prosecuting low-level drug users like Limbaugh.
Martz also noted that to prosecute drug abusers, authorities need to catch them in possession of the illegal substance, something that didn't happen in Limbaugh's case. "Shy of that, we have very little leverage in the state system," Martz he told the Post.
Another Florida attorney familiar with the case told the paper, "I think it's legal suicide to go after a guy like Limbaugh with evidence as flimsy as this."
Krischer's decision to target the top conservative also flies in the face of his long-standing support for drug treatment over prosecution.
Just last week the Post reported, "Many observers predict [Limbaugh won't be prosecuted], at least partly because of State Attorney Barry Krischer's policy of favoring treatment over punishment for drug users."
Limbaugh recently completed a successful five week drug treatment program at an undisclosed facility.
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"Just last week the Post reported, "Many observers predict [Limbaugh won't be prosecuted], at least partly because of State Attorney Barry Krischer's policy of favoring treatment over punishment for drug users."
Could be that this is bigger than just one fat white guy doing prescription drugs. Maybe Rush can roll on one of the bigger playahs? Maybe there's money laundering issues going on (which make this case more than just one white fat guy doing drugs)...
How about if we just let it play out?
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T-Dave mentioned snopes.com in another thread so i decided to click on his link and look around over there. Lo and behold, what did i find but some documentation regarding one of the more offensive quotes i collected over on page 1. quote:
Claim: Talk radio host Rush Limbaugh once told a black caller to "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back."
Status: True.
http://www.snopes.com./politics/quotes/limbaugh.asp
It does my heart proud to see that this is the person that amuses some of us and is well worth defending in his time of difficulty.
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Well, it's going to trial.
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Limbaugh Rejected Plea Deal in Florida Case
MIAMI (Reuters) - Florida prosecutors said they had enough evidence to support more than 10 felony charges against conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh, who is under investigation over allegations of doctor shopping for painkillers, according to legal documents released on Friday.
The documents, including letters between Limbaugh's lawyers and the chief prosecutor in Palm Beach County, also indicate authorities offered to settle the case by having Limbaugh plead guilty to doctor-shopping in return for a sentence of three years probation.
The proposal was made after an overture by Limbaugh, whose lawyers offered to have him enter a pretrial program where he would continue drug rehabilitation.
Limbaugh, who has not been charged, admitted in October to an addiction to prescription painkillers he took for back pain. He took five weeks away from his popular syndicated radio show, which has some 20 million listeners a week, to undergo addiction treatment.
According to the documents, released under a public records request from the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Limbaugh's attorney Roy Black wrote to prosecutors on Dec. 11 and offered to settle a criminal probe into allegations Limbaugh illegally sought prescriptions from more than one doctor.
Black, who has accused prosecutors of treating his celebrity client differently from other drug addicts, proposed Limbaugh enter a pretrial program in which he would continue treatment and be monitored by a professional.
Under Black's proposal, no charges would be filed against Limbaugh, one of Limbaugh's lawyers said.
In his response, dated Dec. 15, Assistant State Attorney James Martz rejected Black's offer, saying it was "not an appropriate resolution of this matter."
Pharmacy records and material obtained by search warrants "indicate evidence that would support in excess of ten felony counts" for violations of doctor shopping statutes, Martz wrote.
He proposed Limbaugh plead guilty to a single count of doctor shopping. In addition to three years of probation, Limbaugh would be treated for addiction and submit to random drug testing. In return, the court would withhold a formal finding of guilt.
"Mr. Limbaugh never considered accepting the state's ludicrous offer. He was not going to plea to something he did not do," Black said in a written statement on Friday.
Black has accused prosecutors of ethics violations, including trying to discredit Limbaugh in the media and violating his privacy by seizing medical records illegally.
And here's the same story but with a bit more info on the plea deal. It's amazing the wording on both stories. In the Yahoo story, it leads to beleive based on the title that it was Limbaugh who rejected the pleas deal and not the prosecution. Who says Yahoo is "liberal"?
Lawyers reject deal from Limbaugh
"Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up."
-- Rush Limbaugh. October 5, 1995 show transcript.
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/gophotwrush.html
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Quote:
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Dude lost weight.
drugs will do that to you.
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