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the empire state building is now being evacuated because of a bomb threat.

fucking disgusting.

this whole event is making me nautious.

both had bomb sniffing dogs, but, again, both were cleared as fakes within 20 minutes.

yes, all threats, now, and perhaps, forever, must be taken seriously, which is truly, truly fucking annoying.

It was accidentally hit by a US bomber lost in fog in the late 1940s.

different materials and different architectural designs (an internal structural backbone).

different enough to have been able to sustain a 767 hit? maybe.

guliani, schumer, and clinton (hillary) have all spoken tonight, however, about the "rebuilding, and reconstruction" or nyc and the wtc. to be "bigger and stronger" than before.

rebuilding the twin towers? making them the tallest buildings in the world? making 3 towers? building a memorial?

anything is possible, tho i suspect there are already plans to launch construction units into a twin tower reconstruction plan.

Yes, what you've said Rob makes sense, symbolically - re-build them much bigger.

i doubt nyc will want to do without that famous skyline, marked by the two towers.

tho, there is speculation -- what is there to present this from happening again? will there be protection for the buildings? will anyone want to work in them, knowing what happened? how long/how much to build them? etc, etc.

personally, id love to see them rebuilt, as fast, and as efficiently, as possible. the skyline, and, god forbid, the country, seems naked without them, even if only on that superficial level.

I don't ever want to see planes crashing into buildings ever again. I'm sorry I feel that way but I do.

Here's the most amazing thing: One guy wearing a rent-a-cop uniform starts yelling, "How the fuck am I supposed to get into Manhattan? I've got to go to work!" Another guy starts yelling at the conductor: "How the fuck am I gettin' home? You're gonna give me cab money to get home!"

Unbelievable. Hey guys, have you heard about the 10,000 corpses buried in rubble downtown?

The majority of New York has been great, but there's always those few who can't think outside of their own little world . . .

Later I met three construction workers who'd been helping out. Horrible stories; one told me he'd dug out the bottom half of a fireman's body.

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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
...there is speculation -- what is there to present this from happening again? will there be protection for the buildings? will anyone want to work in them, knowing what happened? how long/how much to build them? etc, etc.

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Regarding T-Dave's point first, about the B-17 that hit the Empire state building, it was a far smaller plane than the 767 model that hit the trade center towers. I listened to an interview with two structural designers on PBS, saying there was a chance that the buildings would have remained standing if not for the feul that set an intense fire burning in the building. And that the steel becomes unable to hold its load once it's heated at 1500 degrees or higher, which took about an hour to occur in each of the towers, after the jet impact. The building was designed to withstand fire from more predictable sources of building fires, but not the intense fire of an exploding jet and its feul, deep into the structure.

Regarding rebuilding the two towers, I think that is very important symbolism.
I think our government will insure with new safety procedures that no commercial jet can be stolen in this same way again. And that if any plane poses a similar threat, there will be fighter jets ready to scramble at anything that comes close.

Regarding an incident where some nut crashed a small plane into the white house a few years ago, I understand there are now missiles and artilery in place to prevent a similar incident.

Would people be afraid of entering work at a new set of rebuilt twin towers? Well, I can see that, but there's just as much risk of any other building being attacked and destroyed, or at this point, any other major American landmark or monument (does anyone remember the guy in 1982 who locked himself in the Washington monument and said he had a nuclear bomb? False claim, but it was a nervous few hours.)

Or for that matter, the entire city of New York is a target, for nuclear, chemical, biological weapons. We can't live our lives in fear, that's what they want!! We just need to have organized nationwide preparation for any future incidents, with medical, fire-rescue and anti-terrorist teams ready in the tens of thousands to respond instantly to, and hopefully even prevent a future incident.

Preparation, not fear.

it should be done, as a sign of strength, and rebuilding, in the figurative sense, as well as the literal.

and, apologies to the chicago bretheren, but it should be taller. and more powerful. im sure you'll forgive and understand.

will there be concern? of course. but you cant think "what if this happens again" - because, quite frankly, theres no way to stop a plane from flying into any building or landmark, however tall.

the way to do that, is to stop those who might fly the plane, i.e; put an end to terrorist attacks.

ny will rebuild. in all senses.

and ill be there, with brick in hand.

You have been a very good representative of New Yorkers in the last couple of days. I think the nation feels very proud of their fellow Americans prevailing against the darkest of evils!