...and Jack, I've got to call a foul on you. If we're debating, you need to meet what I'm saying, and not bounce around and jack-knife (pardon the pun) from topic to topic. When you raise a point, I dispute it or agree with it, but you move onto something else. Its no big deal, but it just means its easier to keep track of what we're actually debating. If you want to keep zig-zagging, go for it, but it just means we won't reach a resolution on a topic.