I've read it. It's got angles, all right. And they're most definitely connected to the issue - albeit only one side of it. [wink] The case for vegans is one that can only convince individuals; you're never going to be able to sway a multitude. I for one was disappointed by a slight lack of objectivity - once again, someone on the outside decides they know better than folks who have been doing something for a long time - and in this case, a very long time. I'm not saying your argument isn't valid, Matt, I'm just saying its implications are not universally applicable and the core elements of the argument are not set forth in an objective way that takes the opposition into account. It's very easy to knock something you've distanced yourself from. It becomes a little harder sometimes once you start to see where folks are coming from.