quote:Originally posted by THE Franta: All right Im a bit pissed but still got a serious question to pose....in relation to Dave's rants
If a female Muslem who wears a partial wrap (ie doesnt cover her face) wishes to counsel your daughter wife sister etc......are you being RACIST if you tell that Muslem NO as you believe she would not give a true reading based on ....say US culture.....further would you wish said female to see a Male Muslem for therapy? IF you say NO are you racist?
By pissed do you mean drunk?
The problem with Islam and Christianity is that they are missionary religions. Missionary religions don't show as much tolerance as non-missionary religions (with maybe the current exception of Hinduism, given the level of sectarian violence in India right now).
As far as I'm concerned, people should be able to dress as they wish. If you don't like it, you're being intolerant.
Right now in France there is a big argument because the French won't let little Muslim girls wear head-dresses to school. That is as bad as the Nigerians (although, at least the girls aren't stoned).
quote: And IF you compare the Muslem's beliefs toward women as to the beliefs of the KKK to blacks etc etc are you again being racist?????
No, you're not, because repression of someone on the basis of their gender is as bad as repressng someone on the basis of their race.
That doesn't mean Islam is a bad thing. It means that aspects of modern Islam play up the bad bits in the Koran (and I might be wrong but I actually think there is a passage in the Koran which says men and women are to be equals but its conveniently forgotten about).
A parallel example is where if you were a fundie Christian who decided to follow Jesus' example by violently assaulting money lenders, so you start blowing up banks. No rational Christian would think that was acceptable behaviour.
Same goes for Muslims - lots of Muslims live peacefully in their countries where woman have a lot of respect and power. Bhutto was the former female president of Pakistan, and the current female president of Indonesia is Megawati. Both of those countries are overwhelmingly Muslim. Both of those countries tend to practice moderate Islam - in Indonesia women don't need to wear a head-dress. Same goes in Turkey, which is a Muslim country.
Its the more fundamental regimes, which rely upon Islam to support their right to government, and which generally have shithouse economic policies resulting in poverty and war, and which lack tolerance.
