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I'm just testing the waters as to see if anyone gives a fuck. Seeing as how this unfortunate guy is muslim and middle eastern and all. I was certainly outraged. Especially as to why he has a felony charge. If that warrants deportation and loss of citizenship, then most of Los Angeles are and have been flagrant felons. quote:
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Not a Terrorist, but Still Doing 9/11 Time
Ansar Mahmood was swept up in a federal dragnet. Now a felon, he faces deportation.
By Richard A. Serrano, Times Staff Writer
BATAVIA, N.Y. — Nearly two years after the Sept. 11 attacks, a time when most foreign detainees have been sent home, Ansar Mahmood is desperate to remain in America.
A hard worker who delivered pizzas in upstate New York, he saved his money and supported his family in Pakistan. Like many immigrants, he found promise in the American dream.
But then he became one of countless Muslim immigrants picked up in a sweeping government dragnet. His life fell apart three weeks after the attacks, when he was suspected of being a terrorist because he had wanted his picture taken on a scenic Hudson Valley overlook that happened to be near a local water plant.
He was cleared of any terrorist intentions. But like most of the detainees, the government found other reasons to hold him — he was convicted on a felony charge of helping friends who came here illegally from Pakistan. For that, he was sentenced to six days in jail. So far, he has served nearly 19 months while authorities seek to deport him.
Mahmood's plight represents a post-Sept. 11 reality in America: Immigrants have always faced difficulties. But now it is all the harder to chase prosperity, even for people like Mahmood, who came here with his papers in order, worked 12- and 18-hour days to gain a foothold and still was able to send much of his money to his needy family back home.
"These days, all rules go out the window," said Sareer Fazili, a fellow Muslim and Rochester, N.Y., attorney who heads a legal defense fund for immigrants. "It is zero tolerance toward any Muslims, male or female."
Federal immigration officials, however, said they are merely following the law. "The fact is, he went to court and he has a conviction," said Amy Otten, a spokeswoman for the federal Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. "He's a felon We have to detain him."
Mahmood's continued incarceration is his own doing. He and his lawyers continue to file legal challenges to hold off his deportation and, they hope, win his release from the federal detention facility here so he can return to work. He is not eligible for bail.
But the government, noting that Mahmood is a convicted felon, argues that his deportation is automatic. In the aftermath of Sept. 11, with more stringent rules placed on immigrants, the government is not willing to bend in its resolve that this Pakistani must leave.
His offense is one that many legal observers say often was not prosecuted before terrorism became a concern.
Even Otten acknowledged that Mahmood's crime might appear insignificant in the current atmosphere of terrorist alerts and sleeper cells. But, she said, the government takes immigration violations much more seriously now.
"The world has changed since Sept. 11," she said. "It's changed for everybody."
According to government records, the average Sept. 11 detainee was held about 80 days before being released by federal law enforcement officials. Mahmood has served seven times as long; many believe he may be the nation's longest-held Sept. 11 detainee.
Before his arrest, he said in a recent prison interview, he was sending about 40% of his income home to Punjab. His family purchased a refrigerator and a water heater for its two-room home; a color television too. His sisters wore new dresses.
But, Mahmood said, "I don't have money now How can I send them anything? Their dream is finished."
He turned 26 on Monday, his second birthday behind bars. He keeps a small package of family photos with him in prison.
While he was growing up, his family was very poor. His father had to retire as an army soldier because of failing health. The nine children slept on box springs. They shared a bicycle to get around.
In the late 1990s, like many poor Pakistanis, Mahmood began applying for entry into the United States. The State Department, besieged by requests worldwide, held lotteries granting certain numbers of diversity immigration visas.
After his second try, Mahmood's name was chosen.
In April 2000, he flew to New York City, staying in Brooklyn for two weeks before moving to Salisbury, Md., and taking a job at a pizza restaurant. He worked in the kitchen and, after raising enough money to buy a 1992 Toyota, began delivering pizzas.
In early 2001, he moved to a Domino's Pizza in Greenport, N.Y. "The best thing I liked was the Hudson Valley," he said, "and seeing the river. And there were lots of deer. It's the most beautiful place. But truly the most beautiful thing of all was that the Domino's in the Hudson Valley paid more money than the Pizza City in Salisbury."
He sometimes earned upward of $1,800 a month, he said, "not counting tips."
Recalled his boss, Shahid Mahmood (no relation): "He just wanted to work all the hours he could. I said, 'What do you want to do with all that money?' And he said if he did not work 90 hours a week, he wouldn't have enough to send home and to break even here."
Ansar Mahmood's family was delighted. But he said his sisters wanted him to send photographs too. So he bought a throw-away camera and, on Oct. 10, 2001, drove up near the Catskills. It was dusk, and he asked park rangers to snap his photo.
At the time, not only was law enforcement rounding up suspected foreign terrorists, but the country also was in the throes of an anthrax scare.
The guards noticed that Mahmood was posing not far from a city water plant. They called the police. The police called the FBI.
He was arrested, and he said he spent the night on a metal stool at police headquarters, his wrist chained to a rail, agents asking him over and over about the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and the anthrax-laden letters mailed to Florida, New York and Washington, D.C. They had photos too, and asked him about young men he assumed were the Sept. 11 hijackers.
Mahmood let them search his Toyota and his apartment, and agents said they found evidence that he had helped a man and woman from Pakistan. They said he had helped find them jobs at the Domino's, registered a car for them in his name, put their apartment lease under his name and paid their first month's rent.
Just a month earlier, he told the agents, he had discovered that the couple were in this country illegally.
He was charged with harboring illegals, a statute usually used against large immigrant smuggling operations in the Southwest. But the accusation against Mahmood was just one page long; the offense a single count. Nevertheless, it was a felony.
He served six days in the Albany County Jail. Like the vast majority of foreigners picked up in the aftermath of the attacks, he was never determined to have ties to terrorism. Neither court records nor his pre-sentencing report make any assertion that he was involved in the Sept. 11 attacks or any other terror plots.
On Oct. 16, 2001, he pleaded guilty in federal court — advised by his public defender that a conviction likely would mean deportation. But Mahmood at the time was struggling with his English, and he had said he wanted out of the county jail and to return to work to make money for his family. A court transcript bears out his difficulties with the language.
"Sir," he told the judge, "the girl's brother is my friend, you know, in Pakistan we lived together When she came to here to take visa, I am working in the Hudson. Then the brother and the sister tell me just to help him to give him the job, to give him something like that, you know.
"I asked them, and I asked the manager, and he said yes. Then I arranged for something for him, and then he come to here for job."
The judge asked, "Did you know that they were aliens?"
"Yes, I know," Mahmood said.
Prosecutors did not recommend a punishment, although they noted that the maximum was five years in prison. The judge released him on bond, and Mahmood returned to Domino's.
In the pre-sentencing report, examiners referred to Mahmood as a "quiet, shy and polite individual who avoided trouble." They characterized him as one who "came from a less fortunate family background and worked hard to provide financial support for them."
On Jan. 25, 2002, he was sentenced to the six days he had already served.
"I apologize, I do wrong thing, you know, just to help my family," he told the judge. "I am sorry for this."
Immigration agents picked him up at his lawyer's office later that day, and he was ordered deported.
Fazili, the Rochester lawyer, tried unsuccessfully to get the conviction overturned, arguing that Mahmood really did not fully understand the implications of a felony conviction.
Rolando "Rex" Velasquez, a Buffalo lawyer and former attorney for the Immigration and Naturalization Service, tried to stop the deportation order. He failed. Velasquez took up the matter with the Board of Immigration Appeals, but again the appeal was denied. In February, he turned to the federal appellate court in New York; a decision is expected soon.
So, Mahmood remains in confinement. His old Toyota sits in front of his apartment, the car he bought to make his pizza delivers but also "because I wanted to see different places" in this country. "I think that's the best thing in America," he said, "not to be stuck in one place."
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Moral of the story: Don't be a convicted felon.
Out.
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Great start! Now lets round up the hungry and the tired!
Also we need to keep a good eye on the huddled masses.
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Just stick a sign on a condemned building that says, "!!!free food and shelter!!!" and when all the homeless and starving people go there, blow it up. Oh yeah, and don't forget about the retards. Put a sign up for them too with a puppy and free balloons and you got rid of all the problems.
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quote:
Originally posted by MisterJLA:
Moral of the story: Don't be a convicted felon.
Out.
Comapassionate conservatism at it's finest.
A shame they all get on moderate mode during election time.
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if the law is you get deported for being a convicted felon, why should he be exempt?
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"Sir," he told the judge, "the girl's brother is my friend, you know, in Pakistan we lived together When she came to here to take visa, I am working in the Hudson. Then the brother and the sister tell me just to help him to give him the job, to give him something like that, you know.
So do you shake down all your recent freinds to see if their papers are in order before you'll extend your hand in freindship?
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do you know how many times people caught breaking the law give a hardship story or a i was just doing it for the right reasons? by your rosey view nobody would ever be convicted of anything there would be anarchy....
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quote:
Just a month earlier, he told the agents, he had discovered that the couple were in this country illegally.
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"I asked them, and I asked the manager, and he said yes. Then I arranged for something for him, and then he come to here for job."
The judge asked, "Did you know that they were aliens?"
"Yes, I know," Mahmood said.
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"I apologize, I do wrong thing, you know, just to help my family," he told the judge. "I am sorry for this."
He's a felon who freely admitted as much. The instant he found out that the couple was here illlllllllegally, he should have turned them in.
Now he's paying the price for harboring illegal aliens.
The End.
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Oh for chrissakes.
You'd probably do something like that, wouldn't you??
The world isn't in black and whites and people don't sell out their freinds.
At least mine don't.
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is that why your so defensive are you friends with convicted felons?
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quote:
Originally posted by MisterJLA:
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Just a month earlier, he told the agents, he had discovered that the couple were in this country illegally.
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"I asked them, and I asked the manager, and he said yes. Then I arranged for something for him, and then he come to here for job."
The judge asked, "Did you know that they were aliens?"
"Yes, I know," Mahmood said.
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"I apologize, I do wrong thing, you know, just to help my family," he told the judge. "I am sorry for this."
He's a felon who freely admitted as much. The instant he found out that the couple was here illlllllllegally, he should have turned them in.
Now he's paying the price for harboring illegal aliens.
The End.
Perchance, are you a Superman fan?
Johnathan and Martha Kent can now be considered committing a felony for harboring and aiding an illegal alien.
The end.
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yopu realize Superman is a work a fiction dont you?
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quote:
Originally posted by britneyspearsatemyshorts:
yopu realize Superman is a work a fiction dont you?
*sigh*
Yes.
But since all of you dabble in absolutes, i figure you guys don't make ANY exceptions. Not even in your fiction.
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not absoulutes this guy helped an illegal alien into the country that is a felony, he committed the crime. this is what is wrong with the world today no one will take personal responsibility. he did the crime, let him face the consiquinces, dont make excuses for him.....
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Hey. I lent a guy some change the other day. He was an illegal alien. Call the feds!!!
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i take that as you agree we are right and you are wrong on this...
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Hold on..... quote:
Originally posted by whomod:
Hey. I lent a guy some change the other day. He was an illegal alien. Call the feds!!!
![[yuh huh]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif)
Better?
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quote:
Originally posted by whomod:
Oh for chrissakes.
You'd probably do something like that, wouldn't you??
The world isn't in black and whites and people don't sell out their freinds.
At least mine don't.
Some friends they turned out to be.
"Friends" don't put people in predicaments that could cause them to get deported.
And the law is most definitely black and white. Exceptions aren't made for nice guys who work hard delivering pizzas.
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quote:
Originally posted by whomod:
Hold on.....
quote:
Originally posted by whomod:
Hey. I lent a guy some change the other day. He was an illegal alien. Call the feds!!!
Better?
typical cop out......when you cant deal with facts act all silly....
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Man. Where are you guys from anyways??
Here in L.A. and especially me as a hispanic deal with illegal aliens EVERY SINGLE DAY both at work and in my/our personal lives.
Imagine me going over to some of my or my wifes or freinds relatives parties and seeing people discussing their immigration status. Next thing I do is run to the phone and *gasp* REPORT THEM! as a good citizen.
Imagine me at work. Instead of actually performing my job, I take it upon myself to REPORT every person who obviously is an illegal immigrant. Hell, I wouldn't be able to do anythng else all day!
You guys can discuss this academically all you like. People who actually live with these situations every day can just laugh at your naivete.
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you naive according to your reasoning no one should ever be convicted of a crime, people always have personal reasons for comitting them....
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quote:
Originally posted by whomod:
Man. Where are you guys from anyways??
Here in L.A. and especially me as a hispanic deal with illegal aliens EVERY SINGLE DAY both at work and in my/our personal lives.
Imagine me going over to some of my or my wifes or freinds relatives parties and seeing people discussing their immigration status. Next thing I do is run to the phone and *gasp* REPORT THEM! as a good citizen.
Imagine me at work. Instead of actually performing my job, I take it upon myself to REPORT every person who obviously is an illegal immigrant. Hell, I wouldn't be able to do anythng else all day!
You guys can discuss this academically all you like. People who actually live with these situations every day can just laugh at your naivete.
Dealing with illegal aliens and *harboring* illegal aliens are two totally different subjects.
The man in this story was *harboring* illegal aliens, making him a felon, making his stay here history.
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do the crime, pay the time....
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Yeah.
The real crime was the native Americans *harboring* your ancestors.
The natives goodness of heart gave them enough time to erect fences and pass rules and regulations to deprive others of the same benefits as they then hide behind their legaleese.
And I'm not too keen on the rule of law as it pertains to immigration seeing as how I live and talk to people who were deported back in the 30's DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY WERE U.S. CITIZENS all because they were of hispanic descent. Illegal immigration if anything is correcting 200 years of ethnic cleansing. Like it or not.
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So your a rascist? Because I am white I am responsible for what white people did years ago?
We were talking about the fairness of a man being made to face the legal implications of his crime and you've went off to a totally different subject.
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The "legal implications" of his crime seem incredibly arbitrary given the fact that *harboring* people ( or giving old freinds a hand) is beyond commonplace be it in L.A. with mexicans, in Boston with the Irish or in San Francisco with the Chineese and beyond.
It seems it has more to do with the fact that he is a young Muslim male post 9/11 than with anything else, icluding any "felonies".
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quote:
Originally posted by britneyspearsatemyshorts:
So your a rascist? Because I am white I am responsible for what white people did years ago?
We were talking about the fairness of a man being made to face the legal implications of his crime and you've went off to a totally different subject.
I went off on that because you as a professed white male probably know fuck all about encountering people with questionable immigration status. It pisses me off when people want to arbitrarily stick to the letter of the law and compassion and FAIRNESS be damned. Especially given the fact that historically everyone at some point in time washed up on these shores 'without proper documentation'. Yes, technically he commited a felony. But can you really say he fucking harbored illegal aliens. You make him out to be some damned smuggler or something. All he did was help some old freinds. Deporting him for that is wrong.
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Personal responsibility. He committed the crime. It's a law voted upon by the congress and signed by the president. You are not given a god given right to US citizrnship, just like any country there are laws and rules if you violate them you pay the price, what is so hard to grasp about this?
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There should be no boundaries and citizenship for we are all Citizens of the World and the US should welcome with open arms all peoples that wish to come to within our boundaries, be they of good intentions or not for this is the way we get rid of Bush with a bullet from one of our world citizens and the rule of Dean can truly begin. The Native Americans should be given all their land back and the whites should all be burn by the stake along with the Bush for they are the root of all evil. Yes.
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Right or wrong of the situation aside, Mister JLA and Britney have the debating ability of five year olds.
in most of their posts they have not even tried to debate with reasoned arguments but have resorted to bullshit slogans that don't even fairly represent what Whomod said.
I wasn't sure which side I stood on t first, but people you lost me pretty quick.
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We're not the ones going completely off-topic, and suggesting that the laws of this country go ignored, Steve. We're also not posting quotes from Nazi's, or posting pictures from "evilGOPbastards.com" Face it, whomod couldn't deal with the issue here(again), so he lost his cool(again) and tried to put words into the mouths of others (again). What thread have you been reading?
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Originally posted by MisterJLA:
We're not the ones going completely off-topic, and suggesting that the laws of this country go ignored, Steve.
We're also not posting quotes from Nazi's, or posting pictures from "evilGOPbastards.com"
Face it, whomod couldn't deal with the issue here(again), so he lost his cool(again) and tried to put words into the mouths of others (again).
What thread have you been reading?
No. You know what you remind me of. A lawyer cum talk show host called Larry Elder. Durning the whole Trent Lott controversy last year, he hemmed and hawwed and toed the party line despite the completely unforgivable statements made by Lott in regards to Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrats. This was days before the rest of the party rightfully condemned him. Listening to him defend the racial remarks, despite being black himself was downright sad. He sounded as if in defending Lott he was trying to convince himself as well. That is what you guys sound like. Toe the party line no matter what. Let common sense and reason be deamned. You can justify anything if you really try hard enough. Just like Larry
Elder tried to do in smooth legaleese.
So I'm done. You guys are true conservative warriors. Goody for you.
By the way. I'm always amused when I post the Goerring quote how you guys simply see quotes from Nazi's and not a statement on social control thru propaganda.
Here. Hope it pisses you off. If it doesn't. I don't give a fuck.
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Educator to comprehension impaired (JLA, that is you) 50000+ posts
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some RKMB'ers are Obsessed with Black People Hmmm? 5000+ posts
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some RKMB'ers are Obsessed with Black People Hmmm? 5000+ posts
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Originally posted by britneyspearsatemyshorts:
We win again!
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