Pro, about the order:

I had great expectations after you put that post(s) about Turkish, Friday and Z in issue 0 and that short solo at the starting of the HR Universe. At that time, the Universe was shaping up like something very sci fi, hidden agends, secret societies and invading alien. A cross of X files and Twin Peaks, so to speak, mostly thaks to the stuff Chewy, Gooz and myself were putting out. I though the Order was something along those lines.

Then, when you put Turkish in the group, I began toi loose my expectation. He was an omnipotent guy, able to ask nature anything (I know you disagree on this, but, let's face it, you know his weakness, me not).
And when Legends came, I found that there was a lot of Turkish types. Each of them very cool, each of them, though, very powerful. The kind of powerful that has me saying, why they live in their secluded paradise instead of coming on Earth and solve the problems of humankind?

I know the answer, they let humankind solve their problems by their own, and whatch their back only from cosmic menaces.

But that means that any story with them has to be cosmic, and cosmic storyes, FOR ME, are good just once in awhile, like issue 14. Noiw we need a lot of down to Earth stories.

My vision, is that powerful allies like the Orders, in a sense, detract the role of Vanguard. The EPS, the Pantheon, the Strikeforce, are mixed bag, they can be ally and opponents, the Order, as it is now, would be always "good guys".

Probably the only story I would be interested to tell with the Order is when they step out of their track, and vanguard has to stop them.