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Balent's Catwoman can't support them, .




THAT is a load of bullshit. I am sorry, but her upper body is NOT out of proportion to her shoulders.




It's a comic book Pariah. Things being out of proportion are the norm!

And even you have to admit that as it got late in Balent's run her ears got smaller and smaller while her breasts got bigger and bigger. He was threatened to be fired just for that!


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Balent's Catwoman can't support them, .




THAT is a load of bullshit. I am sorry, but her upper body is NOT out of proportion to her shoulders.




It's a comic book Pariah. Things being out of proportion are the norm!

And even you have to admit that as it got late in Balent's run her ears got smaller and smaller while her breasts got bigger and bigger. He was threatened to be fired just for that!




True, but like I said on the DCMBs, proportion and realism STILL wasn't at jepordy.

Even so...

That statement of yours was in defense of Balent's drawing....Was that a typo?

And that rumor about him getting fired for putting her in sexy poses and giving her large breasts is simply that: rumor. From every reliable source I know, I'm told that-that little piece of info was a load of crap. And I'm in a very good position for reliable comic info Anonymous.

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Balent's drawings are very realistic






If you think that's realistic, then you need to stop watching porno and actually meet real women, Pariah.

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She looks no different than any other model for fucks sake!




.....models don't fight crime(or commit crimes and fight heroes like Batman). Catwoman is an athlete. Besides, if anything, huge breasts would get in the way of her job. Even if by some freakish act of nature they retained such massive size despite her constant exercise, she'd surely get a surgical reduction of some kind.

And really, which models are we talking about, here? "Guns N' Trucks" style models(fake to the extreme), or runway models? Most models are horrendously skinny and have more medium size breasts, unless they get enhancements.


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OK, lemme put my two pennies in this crazed thread of boobs discussing mammaries...

Selina was a hooker. She was never a true athlete, only a stealthy cat burglar. Sure, she was trained by Wildcat for self-defence purposes, but nothing that'd make her a real athlete. Now she's all heroic and shit, but I say she still has big titties. And who knows? They could be fake. She was a burglar after all. She coulda paid for 'em. She needed them to distract her potential high society victims. And maybe she just likes the weight and look of her big juggs so every time she looks in the mirror she knows she's one sexy bitch.


Even in this pic, they have a pretty good size to 'em.


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.....models don't fight crime(or commit crimes and fight heroes like Batman).




How technical of you.

As TK just pointed out, Selina was a whore, AN (oft times) equivilent to a model, she would want to keep her looks there now wouldn't she. Not only was she a whore, but a whore who was out for revenge AFTER she had seen Batman fight. And as you well know (I hope), this was still while she was a whore. Before she decided to channel her anger through Catwoman, she was a prostitute for quite a while--And even afterwards she kept her job.

Selina's a character who's naturally charismatic and acrobatic, it's been that way since the beginning--Even before Balent, so accept it. Selina should have just been accepted as a woman very well gifted quite a while ago. That's why I find it weird that people start complaining POST Balent.

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Believe it or not Animalman, this has been known to happen. Albeit, rarely, it STILL happens. Why do you automatically think that this COULDN'T have happend to Selina? It's not like the entirety of the Bat-family women have her assets, they're all pretty much below Selina. And the DCU for that matter doesn't pull this shit. I've only seen this with Power Girl, and even then it's only ONE woman who's NOT an athlete.

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she'd surely get a surgical reduction of some kind.




No, she wouldn't. She prides in herself too much, as I said before: She was a whore for a long time, and even if you think she would have decided to mid-way through her career...Well, think again. Selina has used her body a lot to manipulate men INCLUDING Batman. She wouldn't lose em'.

Also...

Animalman, I was refferring to his more consistent pictures for the book and even so, I STILL don't see any proportion problems.

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OK, lemme put my two pennies in this crazed thread of boobs discussing mammaries...

Selina was a hooker. She was never a true athlete, only a stealthy cat burglar. Sure, she was trained by Wildcat for self-defence purposes, but nothing that'd make her a real athlete.




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Selina was a hooker. She was never a true athlete, only a stealthy cat burglar. Sure, she was trained by Wildcat for self-defence purposes, but nothing that'd make her a real athlete.




She exercises constantly, and through the years has been both a burglar and a crime fighter. How would you define "a real athlete"?

The hooker angle was implimented by Frank Miller in Batman: Year One, which I thought was pretty stupid.

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Now she's all heroic and shit




Actually, she's cycled between hero and villain for years now.

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but I say she still has big titties. And who knows? They could be fake. She was a burglar after all. She coulda paid for 'em. She needed them to distract her potential high society victims.




I'm not saying her breasts are small(I'd really rather not get into the "how big are they" argument), I'm just saying they couldn't be as massive as Balent tends to draw them. Why would she get implants? She didn't need them to look sexy, and they'd only be a hinderance to her physically.

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And maybe she just likes the weight and look of her big juggs




She's not a guy....

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Even in this pic, they have a pretty good size to 'em.




Nowhere near as big as Balent's.

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How technical of you.




It's not technical, you made a silly comparison and I disputed it.

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As TK just pointed out, Selina was a whore, AN (oft times) equivilent to a model




Key words there being was. This being before she started training.

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And even afterwards she kept her job.




She didn't stay a prostitute after she started in crime; she had no reason to, thanks to that new source of income.

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Selina's a character who's naturally charismatic and acrobatic, it's been that way since the beginning--Even before Balent, so accept it.




....how am I not accepting that she's charismatic and acrobatic?

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Selina should have just been accepted as a woman very well gifted quite a while ago. That's why I find it weird that people start complaining POST Balent.




Original Catwoman:


Balent Catwoman:


Big difference.

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Believe it or not Animalman, this has been known to happen. Albeit, rarely, it STILL happens. Why do you automatically think that this COULDN'T have happend to Selina?




What couldn't happen to Selina?

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It's not like the entirety of the Bat-family women have her assets, they're all pretty much below Selina. And the DCU for that matter doesn't pull this shit. I've only seen this with Power Girl, and even then it's only ONE woman who's NOT an athlete.




It's not about the character, Pariah, it's about Balent. Have you seen Balent's other work? Check it out. Filled with large breasted women. It's his style.

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Animalman, I was refferring to his more consistent pictures for the book and even so, I STILL don't see any proportion problems.




Then you really need to stop reading comic books.


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It's not technical, you made a silly comparison and I disputed it.




DTWB was right, this little "nitpicking" technique of yours is just a scare tactic. Start learning how to summarize for the love a' Jebus.


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Key words there being was. This being before she started training.




She trained all her life in gymnastics, and even if she started when she was becoming Catwoman, she was too matured for her breasts to get any larger. So, when we narrow it down it is beyond just supposition that her breasts were that large.

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She didn't stay a prostitute after she started in crime.




Actually, yes she did.

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....how am I not accepting that she's charismatic and acrobatic?




You're over-exaggerating Balent's breasts on Catwoman--'They wouldn't be that size', 'they would be too heavy', 'she would have gotten them removed'--You completely disregard past reasoning.

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Big difference.




Showing that much cleavage at that point in time would be an equivilent to the now.

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What couldn't happen to Selina?




Pssh!

Selina could have breast development that large

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It's not about the character, Pariah, it's about Balent. Have you seen Balent's other work? Check it out. Filled with large breasted women. It's his style.




Yes actually, I have, and I noticed that Selina hasn't got NUTHIN' on the characters from Tarot.

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Then you really need to stop reading comic books.




My turn to go into semantics: Are you saying that I don't have the right to read comics?

Oh, an Animalman. I checked out the gallery where the Catwoman pictures were kept, I want to know exactly why you picked that one when this was the design more consistent as I said before?


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Selina quit being a prostitute once she made enough money as Catwoman to not need her "day" job. Then she became full time thief, part time hero.

TK, are you saying that you now think Selina's breasts are bigger than 34C? How much are we talking?

Pariah, you still haven't given a size. If she was real, how big do you think she would be?

I think 34C makes sense, but no bigger.

This isn't Black Cat we are talking about, this is Catwoman.


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From what I remember, she got clients that gave her intel.... Dammit! I wish I still had those books.

I prepared this a few days ago, I never got around to posting it:

I really don't know how to answer it PenWing. I know I'm spose' to give those three number things, but it is beyond me as to what and which part of the body they stand for. All I can say is that Balent got it down. Her body proportion was PERFECT, nothing looked too large nor too small for the rest of her body, and she was given a proper sized torso. People kept complaining that her waist was way to small, but again, they were over-exaggerating.

This was good stuff coming from Balent on Catwoman, he could have taken A LOT of liberties. Just go to his website and look at the other women he draws that aren't Selina. Their breasts are as big as over-sized beach-balls. This tells me that he actually respected the character.

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No, I think they're in the C range... around 34,36. Of course, her mams would look bigger if she was slimmer overall being athletic, semi-athletic, whatever. Female gymnasts are usually cut, but they never have a lot of mass. That accounts for the slim waist, trim arms and tight ass. Trust me, dawg. I've dated a few.


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I know what he draws.

His pics of Catwoman became well exaggerated. It's not that her waist got smaller, it's that her breasts got bigger. Too big. And they were very large when he started.

Breasts - Waist - Hips

I think.

Breasts are the first one, with the letter after the number.

I am only interested in what you think her bra size is, not her waist or hips.


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No, I think they're in the C range... around 34,36. Of course, her mams would look bigger if she was slimmer overall being athletic, semi-athletic, whatever. Female gymnasts are usually cut, but they never have a lot of mass. That accounts for the slim waist, trim arms and tight ass. Trust me, dawg. I've dated a few.





Serious question: How exactly is a C cup smaller than a D cup? Breasts can be 34 or 36 D, right? Or is that 38 and up?


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Eh.......Hmmmmmm......I suppose that estimate is fairly correct.....Naw, I think it would breach into a D cup.

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From what I remember, she got clients that gave her intel.... Dammit! I wish I still had those books.







I think that was when she first started to steal as CW. So, you're right. But, she did quit when she had enough money to make a new life for herself. I think that's when she made a name in high society and dated Bruce.


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No, I think they're in the C range... around 34,36. Of course, her mams would look bigger if she was slimmer overall being athletic, semi-athletic, whatever. Female gymnasts are usually cut, but they never have a lot of mass. That accounts for the slim waist, trim arms and tight ass. Trust me, dawg. I've dated a few.





Serious question: How exactly is a C cup smaller than a D cup? Breasts can be 34 or 36 D, right? Or is that 38 and up?




Nonononononononono!!! Those measurments are COMPLETELY seperate. The letters measur the circumference and the numbers are how far the breasts go out. This is last I checked anyway.

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Eh.......Hmmmmmm......I suppose that estimate is fairly correct.....Naw, I think it would breach into a D cup.




Balent may have started with a D cup, but they grew well past that.


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You know what? C cup is right. Forget the D cup shit.

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Nonononononononono!!! Those measurments are COMPLETELY seperate. The letters measur the circumference and the numbers are how far the breasts go out. This is last I checked anyway.





I got it. OK then, definately C cup.


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You know what? C cup is right. Forget the D cup shit.





Does that mean we are in agreement?


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It means I was right all along!


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Does that mean we are in agreement?




Not exactly sure. If you're counting Cooke's and Gulacy's Catwoman as our mutual agreement then forget it. But if we are in agreement with that Balent picture I posted, then yes. That's obviously a C broaching a D.

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Yes. Yes you were. No one should have doubted you.


So, in those Balent pics above, like the one posted by Animalman, what size was he drawing?


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Eh.......Hmmmmmm......I suppose that estimate is fairly correct.....Naw, I think it would breach into a D cup.




Balent may have started with a D cup, but they grew well past that.




Her body grew in width too....

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Not exactly sure. If you're counting Cooke's and Gulacy's Catwoman as our mutual agreement then forget it. But if we are in agreement with that Balent picture I posted, then yes. That's obviously a C broaching a D.






Let's ask TK.

TK, in the pic Pariah posted, what size are Selina's breasts? Are those C's or D's?


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Those are definately a comfortable D in that pic. In the middle - not close enough to either a C or DD. But he mostly draws them wider if not thicker in frontal shots. That's what makes me wonder... In side views, one can examine the lovely amount of adipose tissue, but they shrink in width. He just doesn't draw well three-dimensionally.


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Okay, let me get another one of his better ones from the front.

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OK, what's the size in this one?


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That, my friend, is a good solid D. I think TK will agree.

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It looks close. Not as round as the other two pics. The other two are positive Ds.


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That one is definately one of Balent's better pics.

So, it's a D, but on the small side.


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I think we have our size. PenWing? Are you satisfied/convinced?

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As far as Balent goes, he did start her out as a D. And he drew her very well.

I would prefer her drawn as a C, and I think it would be more realistic. But, that one pic that I like, where she is a small D, that's OK. Her breasts are a little big, but it's OK.


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Alright then. Between us, she will officially be known as a D. Let's try to encourage this type of reasoning whenever the subject pops up...And maybe pray for the return of Balent...Well, I will anyway.

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No no. No more Balent, thank you. You want Greg Land. While he may draw her as a C cup, she will never, ever look better by another artist.


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Meh!

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Land doesn't draw cheesecake, he draws real. No one does action sequences better, and his faces...have you seen Arwyn? How about the cover to BoP #65?

No one draws women better. No one draws Canary better either, but DC hasn't got a clue.




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