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#248620 2004-01-09 5:01 AM
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I was AIMing with a friend of mine this evening, and somehow politics came up. I vented a little bit about partisanship, and my friend told me that she thought partisans were like fanboys, in a way. I thought she was kidding, until she pointed out some similarities between partisans and what she considers fanboys (for the record, she's a die-hard DC fangirl).

She went off on a tangent comparing liberal-conservative debates to DC vs. Marvel debates, or Hal Jordan vs. Kyle Rayner debates, or people who love the new Star Wars trilogy vs. people who hate it with a passion, and other such debates, all of which we have both seen get pretty ugly. She also compared people who slam writers with people who slam policy decisions, and debates about presidential candidates to "Kirk vs. Picard" fights.

She also said that what made her see the similarities is the way people argue. People who track down every article they can find supporting their cause or slamming someone else's are the same as people who go through their comic collections showing every instance why there's no way Hal Jordan could ever become Parallax, or every reason why Batman isn't some stone-cold psycho but a true hero, and other such examples.

And of course, there's the time spent on the message board devoted to these clashes, proclaiming one's solemn alliegence to their camp, hatred of the other, and a refusal to consider anyone's points of view but one's own.

I didn't think too much of it at first, because in some cases, she just sounded a little too out there, and this doesn't represent all fanboys or partisans accurately. But I've thought about it, and to a degree, I can see her point. I have seen fandom become insanely divisive at times. Some of the people on this Daredevil board I used to go to remind me of some hardcore political partisans I've encountered - some even more hardcore than the ones here (the movie is a nasty bone of contention amongst Daredevil fans, and the people on this board can be really mean). And of course, there were my days as a member of the notorious Green Lantern Message Board on the DCMBs back in the good ol' days.

What do the rest of you think? Do any of you see any similarities between fanboys and partisans? Or is she just off her rocker?


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Maybe.

On the other hand, one could argue that such behavior is healthier when discussing matters of world import and public policy instead of Selina Kyle's bra size.

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Maybe.

On the other hand, one could argue that such behavior is healthier when discussing matters of world import and public policy instead of Selina Kyle's bra size.





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G-man, if all you do is discuss matters of world import and public policy, you become boring and dull. There is nothing wrong with a healthy discussion of a comic book character. It's a pleasant escape from the world we live in, like a sporting event, or a TV show. The difference is, you have to think to have a discussion, unlike when watching TV.

It may be pointless conversation, but it's fun.


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Yes , but partisanship demonstrates and exemplifies an unwillingness to listen to another's arguement in most cases. It's not healthy because talking to deaf ears is ultimately pointless. Look at a show like Hannity and Colmes...if that isn't a pointless waste of ashow I've never seen one. they disagree, they will always disagree, and they will be partisan 90% of the time except on an issue that has yet to become a split issue.

Granted, this has never kept me from speaking my mind to partisans. I just lose my patience more easily the older I get.

And the Fanboy comparison is right on. Although as G-Man said certain things are ultimately more important than others. The base emotion and reactionism that causes partisinship is any area is the same though.


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Hey, kidding. I was in on that whole Catwoman bra size debate.

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I know, but I still felt I had to stick up for mindless debates.

Actually, if you think about it, partisonship does tend to lead to mindless debate as well.


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Wow I think you're right about all this...think 'Batman can beat Superman without kryptonite.' Can we say 'denial'?

Oh, and we could put both topics together and discusses Hilary or Limbaugh's bra sizes.


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Maybe.

On the other hand, one could argue that such behavior is healthier when discussing matters of world import and public policy instead of Selina Kyle's bra size.




Possibly. I personally find the real world to be too depressing at times, and enjoy getting lost in fantasy and debates about fun stuff. I deal with the real world enough as it is. That's why I don't want to be a journalist and prefer to shift my wiritng skills in the direction of fantasy and fiction; it's also why I enjoy acting - because I get to pretend to be something I'm not for a little while.

That's one thing I don't like about attempts to make too many of today's comics TOO realistic, like what Bendis is doing with "Daredevil." I don't always want realism. I need some escapist fantasy where good can overcome evil, heroes are people you can genuinely look up to, and the villains always get theirs. Not always, but a little unreality is healthy if you do it right.

There's a time and place for serious discussion and debate, and a time to unwind and just jabber on about fun stuff. But partisnan-style arguing (where the person you're talking to refuses to consider anything you're saying, no matter how valid the points are) and pitching insults because of alliegences or preferences really take the fun out of it for me. That's one of the biggest reasons why I'm always griping about partisanship and fanatical fanboyism.

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Nah, those partison politicians are totally disconnected from reality. Us fanboys aren't nearly as bad. BTW, any sane person realizes that Blue Beetle can beat Galactus!

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Nah, those partison politicians are totally disconnected from reality. Us fanboys aren't nearly as bad. BTW, any sane person realizes that Blue Beetle can beat Galactus!




And Batman has protocols to take out the both of them!


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