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I don't disagree with you there, the titles have been extremely poorly writen for the past five years... and oddly enough those past five years have been a revived Silver Age.
Notice the thrend?
Thankfully those crappy writers have been fired and replaced with better ones (ok, two out of three...)
Sadly we still have the lame ass editor and Mark Waid...
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Of course, I don't see anyone complaining to Marvel for releasing two issues of Ultimate Spider-Man (as well as other titles) in the same month.
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I don't disagree with you there, the titles have been extremely poorly writen for the past five years... and oddly enough those past five years have been a revived Silver Age.
Notice the thrend?
I've also noticed the trend of shitty storied when trying to comply with the Byrne mythos. Shitty writing is just shitty writing, no matter what the concept.
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Of course, I don't see anyone complaining to Marvel for releasing two issues of Ultimate Spider-Man (as well as other titles) in the same month.
Limited double shipping of titles is ok. DC is doing it now with Hawkman and JSA to get through the Black Reign arc (which is good, BTW. I suggest you guys get it.) Having to by three to four titles a month, EVERY month for several YEARS to understand stories isn't. It's a hinderance on the wallets of the buyers. Now, having Action Comics being a Golden Age style story for those fans, Adventures of Superman for Silver Age fans, and Superman for Modern Age fans would allow buyers to choose which one to buy without spending money on stories, concepts, writers, and artists they have no interest in. Wouldn't you be happier with no Krypto or other Kryptonian survivors in your Superman title?
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I have no problem with buying three, four or even six Superman titles a month.
I see no reason to change each one to be a different continuity...
The funny thing here is that if there was only one Superman title set in Post Crisis continuity right now the rant would be "why can't DC just make another title that takes place in the SA??"
Another funny thing is that this is something I suggested to some HEAT fans a while ago.
I told them to write letters to DC asking them to give Roy Thomas an ongoing series set in Earth 2 Pre Crisis continuity (at the time that was their rant).
To you I say, write letters telling DC to give Mark Waid his own BR ongoing set in its own alternate continuity.
There's NO reason to later the three ongoing titles... although I do like your choices as they would make sense considering the origin of the titles (Ad was originally Superman in the SA, current Superman was relaunched for Byrne and AC is a no brainer).
Even so, there's no reason to make a change.
Why change what's already out there when you can add to it and make everyone happy?
Marvel didn't alter an existing Spider-Man comic to tell stories in a new continuity...
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Mxy, it doesn't matter WHY Superman has three titles and Flash only has one, what matters is the CONTENT of the titles.
These three titles take place in ONE single continuity. You don't like it, don't read them.
You have no right to tell people who do like them to be in one continuity that they can't do that anymore and have to give one up for those that don't like it...
You mean have to give one up for those with an opinion different than yours.
Ok, let's put it this way: what would you rather get, three Superman comics you despise in one continuity (like it's been like for the past four years), or one Superman comic you love, with the version you worship, and other two you'd rather ignore?
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I rather get five done in a continuity I like, period...
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I have no problem with buying three, four or even six Superman titles a month.
And, yet, you bitched about how horrible the stories were while you were buying all of these titles. Unlike you, most people don't buy what they don't like.
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I see no reason to change each one to be a different continuity...
The funny thing here is that if there was only one Superman title set in Post Crisis continuity right now the rant would be "why can't DC just make another title that takes place in the SA??"
Silver Age fans have been wanting their Superman since Crisis was launched. This isn't a recent event. It's just that now, with the internet, they can be more vocal about it.
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Even so, there's no reason to make a change.
Why change what's already out there when you can add to it and make everyone happy?
So you think Crisis should have never happened? Why did DC change something when they could have just added to it?
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Marvel didn't alter an existing Spider-Man comic to tell stories in a new continuity...
Spider-Man is the same character he was when introduced. He hasn't gone through a revamp like Superman. Ultimates was a marketing ploy to bring in new readers WITHOUT having them wade through years worth of continuity to be able to understand the stories or character.
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You're right ,a single title would be great.
DC should rename all titles "Action Comics" and make it a weekly that follows the same numbering (800+).
Maybe that way the whinners will shut the fuck up already and 
Did anybody understand that? I think he was trying to be sarcastic.
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I still don't see how the concept of weekly storytelling told across four titles (as it was in the 90's) is so over people's heads.
The concept is not that hard to get.
The readers must just be really, really, really stupid.
Oh, MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!
Not LIKING doesn't mean not UNDERSTANDING. Just because someone doesn't like linked titles doesn't mean they don't understand the concept. They can understand the concept, and choose not to like it. You don't like the Silver Age... does that mean that it's over your head?
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Well, not for nothing SA comics were aimed at simple minded people and simpler minded adults...
All the 90's Image comics I've read are far simpler than any Silver Age comic out there. At least the Silver Age had honesty and imagination. The stuff that people like Lefield and McFarlane "write" is aimed at horny teenagers desperate for action sequences. You can read those comics in five minutes, which is probably twice the time it took the "writers" to "write" them.
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Change was needed when Crisis happened, it's not needed now.
And you are write, the net has allowed the whinners to be more vocal.
The sad part is that all this time I had thought that the vocal whinny minority editors and writers had been refering to was fans like me, who like change, like evolution and the unexpected.
It wasn't till this comic came out that I realized that they meant readers like you, who haven't shut up for the last 17 years.
"I want Super pets!!! WAAAAAA!!!"
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I don't disagree with you there, the titles have been extremely poorly writen for the past five years...
And the five before that too.
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I'm gonna somewhat agree with you on the perceived simplistic nature of Spawn because I used to think just like you... hell, to an extent I still do... BUT
After I started reading Spawn I got a better understanding of the concept (which I still consider a rip off of many Marvel and DC characters) as well as the way the story is being told.
Read one issue and indeed, it will be over in five minutes and seem extremely simplistic well below SA standard.
BUT read 12 issues in a row and the experience is completely different.
In other words, McFake was writing padded books long before Marvel came up with it...
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And the five before that too.
Nah, just the 18 months before that.
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I rather get five done in a continuity I like, period...
I think you're unable to answer my question because deep down you know how fucked up the answer you'd give is.
The question, in case you've forgetten it by now, was:
"what would you rather get, three Superman comics you despise in one continuity (like it's been like for the past four years), or one Superman comic you love, with the version you worship, and other two you'd rather ignore?"
And your answer would be:
You would rather get three titles you hate in one continuity than three titles in different continuities, one of which you love.
You would rather get nothing than share.
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I got your question, you don't get my answer so I'm gonna simplify it for you:
I rather have a real editor that can give me five ongoing series set in one continuity then an ass like Eddie Berganza who would need to split the character into three pieces to please a vocal group of whinners.
See, the problem is not with the character, the problem is with the whinner who are unable to understand that far as comics go their character is long gone, changed by something better (even if they don't want to accept it).
The kind of Superman that KKK, you and others want is a two dimensional caricature whose time is long over, a fact that becomes more and more apparent every time someone like KKK opens his mouth...
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Change was needed when Crisis happened, it's not needed now.
Yes it is, considering how horrible the books are. The writing is dispicable. Better writing without a reboot could help it. It could also have helped back in the 80's.
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And you are write, the net has allowed the whinners to be more vocal.
The sad part is that all this time I had thought that the vocal whinny minority editors and writers had been refering to was fans like me, who like change, like evolution and the unexpected.
At least you admit that you're a whiner. Too bad you only view change and evolution as things that you want.
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It wasn't till this comic came out that I realized that they meant readers like you, who haven't shut up for the last 17 years.
"I want Super pets!!! WAAAAAA!!!"
This shows that you are either: A) Just not paying attention, B ) Illiterare, C) Retarded, or D) All of the above. I'm guessing D. I ignored your earlier comment about getting Waid his own title through letter writing, giving you the (undeserved) benefit of the doubt.
I stated earlier, several times, that I'm not a Silver Age fan. I prefer the Golden Age and Byrne incarnations. But because your mind only has one gear (that is apparently burnt out) you just assume anyone who doesn't agree with you has to love the Silver Age Superman. Get your head out of your ass and pay attention.
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Change was needed when Crisis happened, it's not needed now.
Have the comics in the past four years not sucked? Yes? I rest my case.
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And you are write, the net has allowed the whinners to be more vocal.
100% right. It also gives those insane whiners the opportunity to harass creators.
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The sad part is that all this time I had thought that the vocal whinny minority editors and writers had been refering to was fans like me, who like change, like evolution and the unexpected.
?!??!?!??!?!
You are the opposite of change. What you stand for is the EXACT opposite of change. How did the Silver Age came to be? Through change. How did the Modern Age came to be? Through change (Man of Steel is an excellent example). Do you see where I'm going?
You fear change, because it would mean your precious Man of Steel continuity would be replaced, JUST LIKE it replaced the Silver Age continuity. There is NO DIFFERENCE between your bitching right now and the bitching hardcore Silver Age fans made when Man of Steel came. NO DIFFERENCE.
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It wasn't till this comic came out that I realized that they meant readers like you, who haven't shut up for the last 17 years.
He's not even paying attention, doc. Is this your attention span? Is this how you read books and comics?
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"I want Super pets!!! WAAAAAA!!!"
Yes, because thedoctor and I have said that several times, and that's exactly what we think.
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I'm gonna somewhat agree with you on the perceived simplistic nature of Spawn because I used to think just like you... hell, to an extent I still do... BUT
After I started reading Spawn I got a better understanding of the concept (which I still consider a rip off of many Marvel and DC characters) as well as the way the story is being told.
Read one issue and indeed, it will be over in five minutes and seem extremely simplistic well below SA standard.
BUT read 12 issues in a row and the experience is completely different.
In other words, McFake was writing padded books long before Marvel came up with it...
I read the first 20 or so issues of Spawn. They are crap.
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I got your question, you don't get my answer so I'm gonna simplify it for you:
No, I think he understood your answer just fine.
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I rather have a real editor that can give me five ongoing series set in one continuity then an ass like Eddie Berganza who would need to split the character into three pieces to please a vocal group of whinners.
By whiners, do you mean fans who pay money to read the books he's editing?
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See, the problem is not with the character, the problem is with the whinner who are unable to understand that far as comics go their character is long gone, changed by something better (even if they don't want to accept it).
So, you're not a whiner for bitching about BR changing Superman? And something better? 
MOTA, you ignorant slut, this is just your opinion. You can't say definitevly that the modern Supes is better than SA. That's your tight assed opinion.
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The kind of Superman that KKK, you and others want is a two dimensional caricature whose time is long over, a fact that becomes more and more apparent every time someone like KKK opens his mouth...
Or maybe they prefer a more escapist story that the SA offered. That was the whole purpose of the SA, escapism. Escape from racism, war, famine, shitty economy, etc. There is nothing wrong in wanting that. There is something wrong in being a total ass who can't understand it, so you belittle it.
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Nah, just the 18 months before that.
Umm, Death of Clark Kent?
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The books do indeed suck now, doesn't mean a reboot of the ORIGIN is needed.
All that's needed is direction for the CURRENT stuff.
All that revisiting the origin will accomplish is a examination of the characters formative years for the hundreth time.
That's not what real readers want, we want stories that move the character FORWARD, not BACKWARDS.
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I got your question, you don't get my answer so I'm gonna simplify it for you:
I rather have a real editor that can give me five ongoing series set in one continuity then an ass like Eddie Berganza who would need to split the character into three pieces to please a vocal group of whinners.
See, the problem is not with the character, the problem is with the whinner who are unable to understand that far as comics go their character is long gone, changed by something better (even if they don't want to accept it).
The kind of Superman that KKK, you and others want is a two dimensional caricature whose time is long over, a fact that becomes more and more apparent every time someone like KKK opens his mouth...
It's a simple fucking question. A real simple fucking question. And that answer has nothing... NOTHING... to do with it. It doesn't even come close.
You simply can't answer the question.
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I already answered your question, you just don't like the answer..
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The books do indeed suck now, doesn't mean a reboot of the ORIGIN is needed.
All that's needed is direction for the CURRENT stuff.
Then Crisis was wrong?
Don't you think some Silver Age fans said what you just said when Crisis happened? "Why reboot from the beggining, why not just erase the confusion from the last few years?" In the beggining the multiverse stuff was pure and simple. With time it got intrincate and confusing. Why not just reboot the part when it gets confusing and leave the rest the same?
Becuase that would be a quick fix, and the same thing would happen all over again. No, a radical change needed to be made. And a radical change is needed now, otherwise the last four years of the Jurgens era and the four years after that will happen again.
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You've proven in this thread and many others that you can't read.
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Let me simplify it for you:
Every comic book series goes through a creative slump, it's the nature of the medium.
Just because a particular editor or group of writers can't get a grasp on the character doesn't mean it's necessary to go back to the beginning and start from scratch, all it means is that you need a new editor and new writers.
In the face of the Clone Saga, Spider-Man Chapter One and JMS' run I'm sure many Spider-Man fans would agree with that.
And you're argument that Superman's different because he's had a new comic every week is BS for the following:
Spider-Man's continuity dates back to the 60's, not the 80's like Superman.
Both characters have had the same amount of comics in the same ammount of time (four titles each since the mid 80's, give or take). Spider-Man may even beat Superman's record based on how many minis he gets.
Superman's origin has been revised as often as Spider-Man's, if not more so (the 0 issues, Hunter/Prey, Starman #51, etc), so it's as fresh if not fresher than Pete's.
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No Mxy, the circumstances around Crisis and the books today are not the same.
For one thing, the whole DC U was fucked up back then, only Superman's comics are fucked up now.
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I already answered your question, you just don't like the answer..
I ask you to choose between two things and you chose a third. It's a fucking simple hypothetical situation.
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you're argument=your argument
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Let me simplify it for you:
Every comic book series goes through a creative slump, it's the nature of the medium.
Just because a particular editor or group of writers can't get a grasp on the character doesn't mean it's necessary to go back to the beginning and start from scratch, all it means is that you need a new editor and new writers.
In the face of the Clone Saga, Spider-Man Chapter One and JMS' run I'm sure many Spider-Man fans would agree with that.
And you're argument that Superman's different because he's had a new comic every week is BS for the following:
Spider-Man's continuity dates back to the 60's, not the 80's like Superman.
Both characters have had the same amount of comics in the same ammount of time (four titles each since the mid 80's, give or take). Spider-Man may even beat Superman's record based on how many minis he gets.
Superman's origin has been revised as often as Spider-Man's, if not more so (the 0 issues, Hunter/Prey, Starman #51, etc), so it's as fresh if not fresher than Pete's.
Okay, MOTA, let's stop for a second.
I've already debated that with you, I'm not going to waste time doing it again. I answered that exact same argument in another thread.
You know my opinion on that topic and I know yours. You won't change mine and I won't change yours.
But this thread is about something else.
You have an opinion. I have another opinion. Other people have other opinions.
You want the Man of Steel Superman to be the one true Superman, "forever and ever" (and I'm quoting you).
Others want the Silver Age Superman to be the one true Superman forever.
Others want the Golden Age Superman to be the one true Superman forever.
I would rather get a new version than any of the old ones.
So we could say Superman fandom is split in four. The Golden Age section is probably a minority, though.
You agreed with me (to my surprise) in that everyone could get their version and leave the others alone. I thought we were done when you said that. I couldn't believe it. So I asked to make sure.
And you had to go and ruin it. You said "Oh, they can get their versions... as long as they don't touch my three main titles."
Why MUST your version be in the three main titles and not another one? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to get a different version in each main book? Why is your version more important than the others?
You think that it's the definitive version, but guess what, everyone feels that way about their version.
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You're clearly not considering something here.
Why would I want to lose two out of the three current titles when I liked buying and reading three Superman comics a month, all in the same continuity (I'd prefer five or six, but there's only three right now)?
Why should I end up losing something I like to make some whinners that can't let go of the 1960's happy?
In other words, why should their happyness come at the cost of other people who, unlike them, embrace change and like it?
If the whinners really want their own version of Superman outside continuity then they should ask for it but NOT at the cost of the continuity they hate so much.
Why should some whinner's preference take over the non-whinner's preference when they can all be happy?
In the first place, I don't mind reading three Superman titles... the SA whinners do hate it, they want to buy only ONE.
So give them that one but leave the other three for those that don't mind buying all three.
Everyone wins...
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You keep doing the same mistake. You keep saying "my opinion is more important than others". I ask you to please leave your opinion outside for a second. Let's just say you have A opinion, ok? Your opinion is A, mine is B. For you, A is right, for me, B is right. Is that clear?
So, A and B are equally important. (Notice that I'm saying that your opinion is as important as mine, something you've never done, and I honestly believe it.)
Now, let's say we have two very important books. And there's two equally important opinions.
Why should we give both important books to opinion A? Why not one to A and one to B? (Notice that I'm giving your opinion the space it deserves, something you've never done.)
Now, if A really, really, really, really, really, needs more than one book... then, fine, let's create a new book for A. He'll get one of the very important books, and a new one. Or two new ones. Or three new ones, whatever.
But he can't get the other very important book. That one is for B.
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Ah, so this is an issue of B specifically wanting Action Comics or Adventures of Superman (I doubt anyone that subscribes to be would want Byrne's Superman)... of wanting the titles, not a comic -- ANY comic -- which content is what they want it to be.
Childish, don't you think? lol
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subscribes to be would
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Ah, so this is an issue of B specifically wanting Action Comics or Adventures of Superman (I doubt anyone that subscribes to be would want Byrne's Superman)... of wanting the titles, not a comic -- ANY comic -- which content is what they want it to be.
Childish, don't you think? lol
No.
I don't care if I get a version I like in Action, Adventures, Superman, or a new title called The Awesome Super-Man.
I just want you to see that it's selfish of you to want to take the three already existing titles. I don't care about the title or the numeration, but others might. You wanting to take those three titles (that in your head are more important than any other title) implies that you still don't understand that your opinion is just an opinion.
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Those three titles make up Superman's continuity.
Don't like it, don't buy them, but nothing gives anyone the right to demand that any of them be changed to fit with what they want Superman to be.
This is not the 60's or 70's when there could be three Supermen running around at the same time in the comics, deal with it...
If you want a Superman in another continuity then ask DC to give you a comic with such a Superman, but there's no reason whatsoerver to mix them up or have this new Superman replace the current one just because the stupid ass editor was over his head.
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You're just reiteraiting what you said before: that your vision is more important than the others. Your version is not even the version that has been used for the last four years (as you've correctly pointed out), it's just the version that you grew up with. It's more valid than the others because you grew up with it. The rest is just excuses your mind makes for liking it and demanding it stays. You liked the comics first, you started developing all your theories then.
There is a reason to "mix them up". A damn good reason. And that reason is that you're not the only Superman fan. Those who think like you are not the only Superman fans. My way, everyone gets what they like. You can't accept that because you're selfish. There is no other way of looking at it.
Do you ever wonder why so many people in message boards hate you?
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Those three titles make up Superman's continuity.
And where is it written in stone that the three main titles have to be current continuity? Remember, these titles existed in the 60's & 70's. There's nothing stopping DC from reverting back to the old rules.
And why create new books for the different incarnations? Each of the previous ones have as much right and claim to those titles as the modern Supes. And why should DC continue to give 3 titles to a character who isn't selling well? Giving up a title to a Golden Age and Silver Age Supes could possibly help boost sales. If the incarnation you love sells well enough, another book can be made for it. Stop being selfish.
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Because they're dicks that think that the 1960's should have never ended?
You clearly have a hard time understanding what I'm telling you, so I'm gonna try again:
It's not about MY vision, it's about C-O-N-S-I-S-T-A-N-C-Y in the stories.
The last five years haven't had that and splitting the books into three different realities won't fix it.
As I told you before, I don't have to stop buying three Superman comics a month, something I like to do, just so some 50 year old morons that haven't been able to let go of the super pets can have them back.
IF they want them back so badly they can ask DC to give Mark Waid a comic for them to read, I'm sure he'll have to problem writing down to that audience.
I for one prefer comics that actually tell interesting, challenging stories, not those writen to drooling morons that are easily impressed by a monkey in a cape.
But if that's what the morons want I have no problem with DC giving it to them, just NOT on the three existing comics, there's no reason for that.
If there's an audience that wants that kind of writing then they should get it separate from what exist today.
That way everyone wins, both the drooling morons and the real readers.
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Why should another title be created off the modern Superman when he already has three right now?
Create one for the outdated version without taking away from the current one, it's not that hard.
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Because they're dicks that think that the 1960's should have never ended?
You clearly have a hard time understanding what I'm telling you, so I'm gonna try again:
It's not about MY vision, it's about C-O-N-S-I-S-T-A-N-C-Y in the stories.
The last five years haven't had that and splitting the books into three different realities won't fix it.
As I told you before, I don't have to stop buying three Superman comics a month, something I like to do, just so some 50 year old morons that haven't been able to let go of the super pets can have them back.
IF they want them back so badly they can ask DC to give Mark Waid a comic for them to read, I'm sure he'll have to problem writing down to that audience.
I for one prefer comics that actually tell interesting, challenging stories, not those writen to drooling morons that are easily impressed by a monkey in a cape.
But if that's what the morons want I have no problem with DC giving it to them, just NOT on the three existing comics, there's no reason for that.
If there's an audience that wants that kind of writing then they should get it separate from what exist today.
That way everyone wins, both the drooling morons and the real readers.
Now, one could say that those old guys from the 60s and 70s are the real readers.
I mean, they're the guys who have essentially kept the industry alive for the past 40 years. They're the ones who didn't have the luxury of strolling into a comic shop and getting what they wanted when they wanted it in mint condition... they had to search newsstand after newsstand for the last beaten up copy of a book they could find.
One could say that they have the seniority, and have proven that they'll stick with comics no matter what, so what they have to say matters most, and everyone else can go fuck themselves.
One could say that.
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I'll challenge the "kept the industry alive for the last 40 years" remark.
Most of those readers have spent the last 17 years whinning about the lack of monkeys in capes and girls from Krypton to the point of refusing to buy them unless they are dumbed down so their dogs can read them.
Most of the credit for keeping the biz alive for the last 10 years goes to continuity fans and collectors, not whinners...
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