Clinton certainly had his chance and botched it. Berger testidfied this morning that Clinton certainly intended to kill Bin Laden, but intent doesn't go very far. But as for these specific charges, if you don't mind me playing Devil's Advocate here...

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  • In December 1998, intelligence suggested bin Laden was at a location in Kandahar, Afghanistan. Missile strikes were prepared, but Clinton's advisers decided not to recommend a launch because no one had seen bin Laden for a couple of hours.




  • If Bin Laden hadn't been seen for a couple of hours, how could they know where to strike? We could just bomb the bejeezus out of where he might have been, but If innocent people were killed, but we didnt get Bin Laden, wouldn't that be a pointless waste of life that wouldn't accomplish?

    I guess it's a question of whether or not endangering innocents is worth getting the bad guy in a certain situation. Some people might consider it worth it, some might not be as willing to endanger innocents. I've been listening to the 9/11 commission on NPR and watching it on CNN, and apparently people in both the Clinton and Bush administration showed an unwillingness to endanger civilians without a reasonable chance of getting Bin Laden.

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  • Again in Kandahar, in May 1999, sources reported bin Laden's location over five nights - but there was no attack because of doubts about intelligence and the "risk of collateral damage."




  • Again, if innocent people would be killed and they weren't a 100% sure about the intelligence, maybe they didn't think it was worth taking the risk.

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  • In a fourth instance, in July 1999, the intelligence was too sketchy to support a strike.[/LIST]




  • I think I covered this one already.

    So it's not like Clinton was saying "I don't feel like taking out Bin Laden today." And it's not like he came to these conclusions on his own. His avisors stressed caution, and he listened. Isn't that what advisors are supposed to do - conisder courses of action and the consequences?

    BTW, here's the rest of the article

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    The revelations about U.S. inaction sparked charges at yesterday's hearing of the Sept. 11 commission that several golden opportunities were blown to nail the world's terror mastermind.

    Clinton's defense secretary, William Cohen, defended the White House.

    "I just don't think it was feasible," he said.

    "Better to have tried and failed than not to have tried at all," replied Kerrey, who faulted both Clinton and President Bush for failing to go after bin Laden.

    An effort that actually was undertaken to kill bin Laden failed in August 1998, two weeks after al Qaeda thugs bombed U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

    The cruise-missile assault on a camp in Afghanistan came up empty as bin Laden and others fled before the bombs hit.

    Federal investigators yesterday revealed that after that attack, at least one top Pakistani general promised to alert the Taliban to missile assaults on Afghanistan.

    Gen. Hamid Gul, a retired chief of Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence agency, contacted Taliban leaders in 1999 and said he'd provide three or four hours' warning of a U.S. missile attack, according to a report by the commission.

    Any heads-up from Gul would have given bin Laden plenty of time to change locations.

    But Kerrey still insisted that the failure by the Clinton and Bush White Houses to effectively strike when they could have created the impression the United States was timid and lacked resolve.

    "From 1993, when the World Trade Center was hit the first time, through September 2001, al Qaeda never suffered a military response from us, other than Aug. 20th," said Kerrey, referring to the missile strikes against Sudan and Afghanistan in 1998.

    After the hearing, the commission chairman, former New Jersey Gov. Tom Kean, told The Post he was especially interested in the blown opportunity that arose in February 1999, when bin Laden and others were hunting houbaras, desert birds.

    "That was too bad," Kean said.

    Speaking at the White House yesterday, President Bush said he would have acted more quickly against al Qaeda if he had information before Sept. 11, 2001, that a terror attack against New York City was imminent.

    In his first response to criticism raised in a new book by his former counterterrorism adviser, Richard Clarke, Bush denied that he ignored bin Laden and al Qaeda before the attacks while focusing on Saddam Hussein.

    "The facts are these. [CIA Director] George Tenet briefed me on a regular basis about the terrorist threat to the United States of America, and had my administration had any information that terrorists were going to attack New York City on Sept. 11, we would have acted," Bush said.

    The startling 9/11 commission report released at yesterday's hearing also faulted Clinton and Bush for sitting on plans for dealing with Taliban-run Afghanistan. It also hit Clinton for never asking Sudan to turn over bin Laden when he lived there, and for allowing two detailed plans for going after bin Laden to sit on the shelf.

    Although there's no evidence that killing bin Laden would have prevented the terror hijackings of 9/11, several commission members were angry that bureaucratic bungling allowed the counterterrorism efforts to stall for years.

    Yesterday's hearing provided some evidence that the Bush administration was more focused on Iraq and on military "transformation" than on international terrorism.

    Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld admitted that he received a terror briefing from Cohen but couldn't remember any details.

    Rumsfeld also echoed Cohen yesterday, arguing that missile strikes against bin Laden terror training camps might have been interpreted as "a sign of weakness."

    Cohen and other military leaders have ridiculed those camps as "jungle gyms" not worthy of the cost of "expensive bombs."

    The commission's report also notes that Clinton's national security adviser, Sandy Berger, had defended the lack of action against bin Laden, arguing that in each case, military force was shelved because there were too many doubts about missing bin Laden or killing innocent people around him.

    "If the shot missed bin Laden, the United States would look weak and bin Laden would look strong," Berger said in an interview with panel investigators.

    Berger is slated to testify today, along with Clarke.

    Clinton has agreed to talk privately with commission leaders, but hasn't done so yet. He and President Bush refuse to testify before the commission publicly.




    Maybe it's not for me to say whether or not the Clinton or Bush administration was right to put the lives of innocents above the death of Bin Laden. But I can certainly understand the decision. Like I said before - is it worth killing innocent civilians if you don't know if you're going to get the bad guy?

    On a side note, if you guys want the whole story about the commission, you can listen to the hearings yourselves. They're showing them on CNN, and if you don't have CNN, you can listen to them on NPR - uncut and unedited. There's so much being discussed, and it will certainly be more accurate than any summary provided by the news.

    Which is why I don't get why Clinton, Gore, Bush, and Cheney want private hearings that the public won't get to hear. The 9/11 commission is not out to crucify anyone. All they want is the truth, to find out what went wrong so that it doesn't happen again. Yes, somebody screwed up, and yes, these guys might have to hear "it was your fault" to whatever degree is appropriate. But this is the perfect opportunity for these guys to make their case and have their voices heard by the American people who are questioning their judgment. I also don't get why Rice isn't testifying. The commission can't come to an accurate conclusion if they don't hear from everybody involved. And the American people sure as heck can't do so either without having the opportunity to hear from everyone.

    And if Clinton and/or Bush did screw up, hopefully they'll be willing to acknowledge that they did. Being willing to admit a mistake and accept rsponsibility for the consequences is a strong leadership quality, in my opinion. Becuase at this point, the blame game is not important. What is important is that mistakes aren't repeated.

    Last edited by Darknight613; 2004-03-24 4:45 PM.

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