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That's still a bitter liberal partisan smear on your part that bypasses the truth, that Kennedy's arguments are baseless.


You realize, of course, that name calling doesn't acheive anything, at least not with me. You won't throw me for a loop or knock me off balance with by calling what I say "a bitter liberal partisan smear" if that's what you're trying to do. If not, well, such words have no other effect either. To me, it just sounds like a media byte you've used too many times for it to be effective.

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The fact is, you pick any politician who is scrutinized nationally during pretty much every hour he is awake --republican or democrat-- you follow that person with TV cameras pretty much every hour he is awake


First, a President, any President, should be scrutinized. He's a President. Secondly, he's not followed with TV cameras pretty much every hour he is awake. Not even close. The Ben Afflecks and Paris Hiltons of our world are followed everywhere. Presidents spend a lot of time behind closed doors. The job requires it.

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and , and no matter how eloquent he is most of the time, he will slip up and say something stupid, once a day, probably several times a day.


No ex-President even begins to compare to Bush in this regard. Show me a President in our history who has inspired websites, posters, and calendars with even half as much material. I could spam the off topic forum with Bushisms and create a flood the likes of which Pariah has never dreamed.

Also, for the most part, these are not personal conversations I'm quoting. These are national speeches. These words were spoken into microphones and recorded for posterity, not because people were following him with cameras, but because he called conferences and addressed populations.

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And in the case of George W Bush, you can bet the liberal partisan and bitterly anti-Bush media will be there every time he slips, to portray Bush in the most negative light they can manufacture.

And you can bet just as surely that they will blunt the impact of his most eloquent moments, through selective soundbyting.


This "liberal partisan and bitterly anti-Bush media" is something for another thread, but though I'll admit there are some very liberal outlets out there, I'll be as quick to add that there are some very conservative outlets. When Bush says something eloquent, when Bush says something right, we hear about it.

And the G-man makes a new thread about it .

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Further, you can go through 8 years of Rush Limbaugh broadcasts, or some other conservative source, and find similar stupid remarks by Bill Clinton, for pretty much any day of Clinton's presidency.


Thus my point. Every politician--heck, every celebrity--eventually says something stupid, given enough time. Way too much weight is being put on this Kennedy thing. Calling him "senile" because of it? Really? Come on.

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Finally, the goofy remarks of Bush and Clinton were bungled words in an otherwise lucid and serious policy, and they just goofed a line.

In contrast to Ted Kennedy's remarks about President Bush, which are vicious accusations based on a pathetically flawed argument.

Not just a bungled sentence, but the very foundation of Kennedy's partisan attack is based on science fictional misrepresentation of the facts, and pure malice on his part.


Every politician has malice towards someone. Comes with the territory. Bush and Clinton have made "vicious accusations based on pathetically flawed arguments." Believe it.

Many of the comments Cheney made about Edwards during the vice-presidential debate were described similarly and just as accurately.

This isn't something new. People should stop treating it as such.