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They were going to leave no matter what. All I wanted to do was come back and post. I wanted to enjoy doing something that begin with my first few days on the Web. Never did I want to begin a huge argument or have people quit.
If the team votes on it, I will pull my posts to a... solo and finish off what I intended to do. What that, I will complete all of my loose ends. Then, I will step back and become a reader.
Grimm, doc, do you want to do this all democratic? Than lets do it all that way, bitches.  
Vote #1: Should my posts be pulled to a solo thread because they are not "main story posts."
Vote #2: Should Grimm quit?
Vote #3: Should JD quit?
Public voting. None of that private crap.
Voting is something we should do more often,. So that nobody can say that " the majority agreed" with this or that.
So my answer are "no" to the first, and"no, but they are obviously entitled to do what they prefer" to 2 and 3.
Also, the better specify my position about the rules:
I agreed with that since the beginning. But there is something to add, altough it applies to Pro, and not to Doc and Grimm: many of us did many observation to the various rules, proposing little variations, often just of semantic (sp) value, but in the end nearly no one of that variations has been accepted, and the rules have been posted as they were proposed, with just the addition of TTT last rule. That's not really democracy, at last how we intend it around here.
Aside that, and going to the meaning of the rule, I think there is a substantial difference between plots regarding the EPS , the Order or a solo Vanguard character, from a secondary plot involving Vanguard as a company. I agree that those should be, whenever possible, be reserved for the beginning or the end of the story, but in this specific case it's easy to see that it would have had no sense. When the members are away it's exactly the moment in which Vanguard has its defense down, and that's the moment to strike. It adds an interesting twist also on how the Vanguardians away should feel, stuck in the middle of a battle while their headquarters is attacked (if they have the chance to know).
Vanguard is one, and what happens to Vanguard goes in the main story.
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A few points:
- Having everyone say in a thread that they want to adopt the rules is just as good as a vote. If need be, I can go back and copy those posts.
- The rules were posted as is because the semantics were discussed in the thread where they were proposed. One of which said that the post must involve the entire team in some way. The teams and characters mentioned in the rules were merely examples and not the only ones that they apply to. Maybe we should have added TTT's suggestion of the No nitpicking rule to get past all this.
- Anyone who blames the rules for the lack of posting is full of shit.
- Since Gooz has effectively cut off the one active roster member of the team (only active because Gooz just started writing him again) in his plot, this isolates the story he's writing from the one that involves the rest of the team over a thousand miles away. There is no way that it can affect them now. Maybe later, but not now. It's a solo story and should be treated like one. Despite the fact that Gooz hates solo threads.
- I'm not trying to kill Gooz's story. On the contrary, I'm trying to make sure that it is given its own room as well as not take away attention from the main story, which is already waning in the absence of active posters.
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I am not saying that are the rules that made the people not to post. What I think is that the posting of the rules, as well as this kind of discussions, have created a climate unfriendly for story writing activity. It surely has done it on me, even if I plauded to the rules themselves when they were presented.
Killing the supporting staff, destroying the headqurters don't affect the team, even if it is away? You really believe it's better, for the sake of the story, having the Complex taken over in a proper thread and then having the away members of Vanguard discovering it in the main thread, when they return? Personally, I think the opposite.
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Killing the supporting staff, destroying the headqurters don't affect the team, even if it is away? You really believe it's better, for the sake of the story, having the Complex taken over in a proper thread and then having the away members of Vanguard discovering it in the main thread, when they return? Personally, I think the opposite.
We are fully on the same page here Euro.
Doc, look back to my post... I started it with Mxy's character in Asling for a very direct reason. I showed how much of an active role Grissom has with the missions and coordinating the teams/givign them directions, planning, etc. Now, they are fully cut off from Grissom. If my posts were in a solo, it would start very abbrupt with the Max POV and anyone in the main story that did not read the solo would have no clue that Grissom was cut off from them. Also, with Vanguard's computer system down, I stated that ALL of the Comm. Links between the teammembers were down. That means that without Phil, seperated members of the team have NO way of communicating with each other.
Do you honestly think that these facts do not effect the team?
Plus, Doc, as I told you in Chat, if anyone wants to jump in and continue the HQ attacked posts, they are more than welcoem to. Any questiosn on the attckers, they can feel free to ask (as two people already have and expressed interest in posting in the HQ attack).
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TTT suggestion is the most intelligent one: instead of bitching around, Doc or Grimm could have simply tied up Gooz post to Aisling, showing that somehow the menace was coming from Aisling itself. It would have been their right to do (as for anyone else), this is a collective stories and everyone is entitled to bring the story in the direction he feels.
Actually, that's your way of doing things, Euro, and you know it's not shared by everyone. In fact, the "everyone is entitled to bring the story in the direction he feels" aspect was forbidden by the rules and I agree with that. If you didn't agree with it you should have said it earlier. You're being unfair to Grimm and Doc here.
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Also, like Mxy rightly said, we never discussed if one main plot and a secondary one is acceptable, if they both regards Vanguard. Saying that every issue should have just a one, basic plot it's not something good for the stories, IMO.
That's not what I meant. What I meant is that we haven't discussed what "involving the whole team" means. If Gooz's plot is outside the rules, then I guess my little plot under Aisling is outside too.
What you're bringing up is a whole different matter and you should have brought it up when we were discussing the rules.
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Third, I don't think any rule could help to write a good story, with the various definite moments a story should have. That could be done just in solo, like both Doc and Grimm are showing with their excellent tales. The collective story is a role play, it should be really done for fun, like a challenge.
In any case, the habit of demolishing any proposed plot advancement, that Doc often has done with my posts, is something bad for the stories at the least as introducing secondary plots, IMO.
Again, should have brought it up when we were discussing the rules. I don't think you really thought this through, Euro.
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Eurostar said:Maybe I am wrong.
But of one thing I am sure:
the first four issue of HR were fun, unpredictable, and partecipated like Tomb was. We were working together AND also fighting each others (EPS vs MBL) and that was good.
There was no need of rules, and even if the MBL was interrupted by the EPS posts, that was entertaining and created not confusion for the ones who posted by then.
Streamlining that has brought up just stagnation.
Of course it was fun for you, Euro, you were leading the stories. If it was fun for the rest too it was only because we were following you. But that's not what we're doing anymore. We're trying to do something really cooperative now.
Now, the stories might have been fun while we were posting them... but don't say they weren't confusing. At least for me, it's impossible to read one of the old stories and not get confused by all the different plotlines and improvised twists of the story. It's one of the things you have to be posting to understand. That, I think, is one of the reasons why nobody joined us back then. Since we've been trying to make the stories more focused, we've had Blackwulf, Tayden, NotWedge and Jackie join us.
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I am not saying that are the rules that made the people not to post. What I think is that the posting of the rules, as well as this kind of discussions, have created a climate unfriendly for story writing activity. It surely has done it on me, even if I plauded to the rules themselves when they were presented.
Once again, you should have brought it up before.
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Killing the supporting staff, destroying the headqurters don't affect the team, even if it is away? You really believe it's better, for the sake of the story, having the Complex taken over in a proper thread and then having the away members of Vanguard discovering it in the main thread, when they return? Personally, I think the opposite.
Now we're talking. That I agree with.
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Good posts, everyone. My latest post should up the ante a bit for some of the team. One thing I thought I'd mention: The power being cut at the Vanguard Complex, whether you like it or not (and I'm not sure whether I do just yet), actually parallels what was/is happening at Aisling Prison quite nicely.
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BTW, don't forget about all the meta-animals for use in the story. The Aisling bios thread is where to find them. Some of them haven't been seen yet.
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If it was fun for the rest too it was only because we were following you.
I found it fun 'cause we just told a story and didn't obsess over anything.
And that's terrible.
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since the rules took effect with issue #14
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BTW, don't forget about all the meta-animals for use in the story. The Aisling bios thread is where to find them. Some of them haven't been seen yet.
I'm on it.
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TTT suggestion is the most intelligent one: instead of bitching around, Doc or Grimm could have simply tied up Gooz post to Aisling, showing that somehow the menace was coming from Aisling itself. It would have been their right to do (as for anyone else), this is a collective stories and everyone is entitled to bring the story in the direction he feels.
Actually, that's your way of doing things, Euro, and you know it's not shared by everyone. In fact, the "everyone is entitled to bring the story in the direction he feels" aspect was forbidden by the rules and I agree with that. If you didn't agree with it you should have said it earlier. You're being unfair to Grimm and Doc here.
Well, it's the way I learned on the MBL back on those days when it was really a round robin story. It's frobidden by the rules? I didn't noticed, in any case I will try to stay away from this habit in the future, when I will be baole to rejoin. In any case I had not intention to be unfair toward Grimm and Doc, in my mind that was a completlely acceptable thing.
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Also, like Mxy rightly said, we never discussed if one main plot and a secondary one is acceptable, if they both regards Vanguard. Saying that every issue should have just a one, basic plot it's not something good for the stories, IMO.
That's not what I meant. What I meant is that we haven't discussed what "involving the whole team" means. If Gooz's plot is outside the rules, then I guess my little plot under Aisling is outside too.
What you're bringing up is a whole different matter and you should have brought it up when we were discussing the rules.
I couldn't, because by then I didn't think that rule could be use in THIS sense, to stop something creative like what Gooz is doing now. If it would have come to my mind by then, I surely would have done.
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Third, I don't think any rule could help to write a good story, with the various definite moments a story should have. That could be done just in solo, like both Doc and Grimm are showing with their excellent tales. The collective story is a role play, it should be really done for fun, like a challenge.
In any case, the habit of demolishing any proposed plot advancement, that Doc often has done with my posts, is something bad for the stories at the least as introducing secondary plots, IMO.
Again, should have brought it up when we were discussing the rules. I don't think you really thought this through, Euro.
See my answer above. As for Doc, I never said anything before because, for me, he was completely entitled to stop any of my opening and turning the story in the direction he wanted. Just, I don't understand him when he tells that we should be more cooperative, while often he stops possible directions of the stories, undoing posts ( not just by me) .
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the first four issue of HR were fun, unpredictable, and partecipated like Tomb was. We were working together AND also fighting each others (EPS vs MBL) and that was good.
There was no need of rules, and even if the MBL was interrupted by the EPS posts, that was entertaining and created not confusion for the ones who posted by then.
Streamlining that has brought up just stagnation.
Of course it was fun for you, Euro, you were leading the stories. If it was fun for the rest too it was only because we were following you. But that's not what we're doing anymore. We're trying to do something really cooperative now.
Now, the stories might have been fun while we were posting them... but don't say they weren't confusing. At least for me, it's impossible to read one of the old stories and not get confused by all the different plotlines and improvised twists of the story. It's one of the things you have to be posting to understand. That, I think, is one of the reasons why nobody joined us back then. Since we've been trying to make the stories more focused, we've had Blackwulf, Tayden, NotWedge and Jackie join us.
Issue 0 was really confusing, but the others were? I don't think they were a lot, surely not more than any old MBL and TOMB story. Surely we have improved in terms of clarity, but, I thing we have lost something in the process. Call it naivete, ingenuity, sense of wonder... the pacing of those (short) stories is completely gone. Surely I "lead" the story often, but my effort was to having the story not dying, and going toward a "status quo" to made the stories more user friendly and easy to be joined by new people. Don't forget that, at last for me, we were simply doing an "Ultimate" version of the MBL, and my goal was to estabilish the Revolutionaries as an accepted superhero force. That, in the time of one or two stories was discarded, but THEN, in the beginning, it seemed right, to me.
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I am not saying that are the rules that made the people not to post. What I think is that the posting of the rules, as well as this kind of discussions, have created a climate unfriendly for story writing activity. It surely has done it on me, even if I plauded to the rules themselves when they were presented.
Once again, you should have brought it up before.
This is the kind of thing one understand only on the moment he starts to write about them. Like I said, those rules seemed a good thing, to me, at the moment, and to say the truth, I still think they are good rules. But if they have to be used to say that a story can be build only in a way, and not in another, then I prefer to have no rules.
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Killing the supporting staff, destroying the headqurters don't affect the team, even if it is away? You really believe it's better, for the sake of the story, having the Complex taken over in a proper thread and then having the away members of Vanguard discovering it in the main thread, when they return? Personally, I think the opposite.
Now we're talking. That I agree with.
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Since we've been trying to make the stories more focused, we've had Blackwulf, Tayden, NotWedge and Jackie join us.
And how many have you lost? Or are about to lose, from the looks of things?
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Euro, if you really thought the rules allow "everyone to bring the story in any direction" and such, then you simply didn't pay much attention. These are the rules we all agreed to abide to and everyone should have paid close attention, to avoid having discussions like this one. This is exactly what I predicted would happen, and, really, even as I type this I realize this is a stupid discussion because it could have been avoided so easily. And that goes not only for you, Euro (and whoever else agreed with the rules not really meaning it 100%, like I suspect Phil did based on his post in the previous page about the stuff he misses), this goes for the rule-makers too, for the extreme way in which you presented them. I still disagree with that. And this goes for TTT, too, for being Canadian. When will you learn?
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Anyway, I really think you missunderstood the rules, Euro. I don't think they kill creativity in any way. Please give them a closer read and you'll see how well thought they are.
Killing spontaneous improvisation (like we were used to in the old days) may seem like a bad thing to you now, but it's actually for the best. It's like Brian Eno said once: if you improvise without rules while making music, the song will degenerate into blues. There's nothing wrong with blues, but it's not what we're trying to do here. I think that if we really try we can accomplish producing an issue that can actually be read by someone outside this forum and be enjoyed and understood. Something with a real structure and real quality. That's what I'd like to aim for, at least.
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Yeah, good luck, I've tried getting those very three(and some others) into an MBL at various times for well over a year now. At this point I'm pretty sure they're telling the truth when they say they have no time and/or no interest.
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I think that if we really try we can accomplish producing an issue that can actually be read by someone outside this forum and be enjoyed and understood.
Just out of curiosity...why? Who cares about people outside of this forum? This isn't professional writing, this is a message board league. I think y'all should write for yourselves, since you're the ones reading it.
Also, for the rest of youse: do you agree with this? I'm someone who's "outside this forum" nowadays and I remember Pro biting my head off because I dared to even stop by this place when I wasn't going to write anything. Keep in mind that I've said numerous times that I read and enjoy the JLR stories, and that for the first several months I was at these boards this was the only forum I posted in at all. Yet even I got the feeling that I wasn't welcome here(obvious joke: "well, you're not welcome here, but anybody else is"). So if you guys are trying to reach to outsiders, I'd suggest you work a little on your hospitality.
I'm not asking or saying any of this to be condescending or judgmental, I'm just honestly curious as to what the objectives of this group are now. Is it still writing for the sake of writing, and if so, why rules and these sort of discussions?
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Yeah, good luck, I've tried getting those very three(and some others) into an MBL at various times for well over a year now. At this point I'm pretty sure they're telling the truth when they say they have no time and/or no interest.
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I think that if we really try we can accomplish producing an issue that can actually be read by someone outside this forum and be enjoyed and understood.
Just out of curiosity...why? Who cares about people outside of this forum? This isn't professional writing, this is a message board league. I think y'all should write for yourselves, since you're the ones reading it.
Also, for the rest of youse: do you agree with this? I'm someone who's "outside this forum" nowadays and I remember Pro biting my head off because I dared to even stop by this place when I wasn't going to write anything. Keep in mind that I've said numerous times that I read and enjoy the JLR stories, and that for the first several months I was at these boards this was the only forum I posted in at all. Yet even I got the feeling that I wasn't welcome here(obvious joke: "well, you're not welcome here, but anybody else is"). So if you guys are trying to reach to outsiders, I'd suggest you work a little on your hospitality.
I'm not asking or saying any of this to be condescending or judgmental, I'm just honestly curious as to what the objectives of this group are now. Is it still writing for the sake of writing, and if so, why rules and these sort of discussions?
I don't know if you can really say you weren't welkomed here. Pro's attitude around that time was somehow more rude than that I was accustomed to, but I don't think it could be the cause for feeling not welcomed. There were other people to make you feeling unconfortable? I though your stopping to post was due to the quality/kind of storties we were doing, instead of simply not being accepted.
Aside this, I can't agree more. If this rpg/round robin story should be something aimed at readers, instead of writers, the format is all wrong. We should create characters that comlement each others, an "easy to jump in" format, do self containing stories, discard the complexity of the universe.
Stories should be first planned, then written, each one should be appointed to write parts...
But I think the splitting of Vanguard could actually help. "Vanguard Europe" could be more storytelling oriented, while Vanguard Classic could be more rpg oriented, just like the old days. Or the ones interested in the old style could always start a new team, "serious" like Vanguard or the last days TOMB, but working in a pure round robin way.
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Um... you guys wouldn't want to re-do the So Britannica walks up to the Penultimate MBL HQ... talk thread adventure again would you... ?  Thought not...
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Don't mind Britannica, he's waffling again.
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Aside this, I can't agree more. If this rpg/round robin story should be something aimed at readers, instead of writers, the format is all wrong. We should create characters that comlement each others, an "easy to jump in" format, do self containing stories, discard the complexity of the universe.
Stories should be first planned, then written, each one should be appointed to write parts...
Screw that. We've worked hard to build a richly detailed universe that - at least to me - is enjoyable to write in because there's never a shortage of material to use. Any new poster who comes along (like that bruteforce guy before he dropped off the face of the earth ) should be able to pick up on that detail and create something useful. I personally have worked hard to develop characters that are interesting and detailed and yet usable by other posters. I'm not about to advocate discarding any literary element of this universe just to dumb it down enough to be user-friendly.
Over the past year, there have been a slew of new posters and characters, the vast majority of which stuck around and were able to make things work. That tells me that whatever problems we think are ailing this universe are generated by the posters, not their material.
As far as planning before writing and assigning parts, I am convinced that would completely kill the creativity we have here. I know for a fact I wouldn't be sticking around here long if I had to wait to be assigned material from other posters (of whom I can count on one hand the number I actually trust to plan and assign material that doesn't suck). Yeah, I think an overhaul of the way we do things would cause much more harm than good. But that's just me.
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Hopefully everything's working now...Mxy, now would be a great time for you little army in the basement!
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Eurostar said:
Aside this, I can't agree more. If this rpg/round robin story should be something aimed at readers, instead of writers, the format is all wrong. We should create characters that comlement each others, an "easy to jump in" format, do self containing stories, discard the complexity of the universe.
Stories should be first planned, then written, each one should be appointed to write parts...
Screw that. We've worked hard to build a richly detailed universe that - at least to me - is enjoyable to write in because there's never a shortage of material to use. Any new poster who comes along (like that bruteforce guy before he dropped off the face of the earth ) should be able to pick up on that detail and create something useful. I personally have worked hard to develop characters that are interesting and detailed and yet usable by other posters. I'm not about to advocate discarding any literary element of this universe just to dumb it down enough to be user-friendly.
Over the past year, there have been a slew of new posters and characters, the vast majority of which stuck around and were able to make things work. That tells me that whatever problems we think are ailing this universe are generated by the posters, not their material.
As far as planning before writing and assigning parts, I am convinced that would completely kill the creativity we have here. I know for a fact I wouldn't be sticking around here long if I had to wait to be assigned material from other posters (of whom I can count on one hand the number I actually trust to plan and assign material that doesn't suck). Yeah, I think an overhaul of the way we do things would cause much more harm than good. But that's just me.
I couldn't have expressed better my feelings.
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So, how come nobody said anything about the latest post in Chewy's thread? That's some awesome shit right there, fellas. Go read it now if you haven't yet. I think that's the best post with Grissom Chewy's ever done.
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