Ok, I know Havoc is late; but my computer crapped out on me last night.

As per someone's idea earlier, I think Nowhereman's, this would be a good place for us to discuss angles and other shit without breaking the veil of secrecy, so to speak, in the program threads.

whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."