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Hope you don't mind, Euro, but I'm going to assume that Dr. Quantos delivered Euro's baby for the purposes of my next post. Is that OK?
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I didn't write it for lack of time and because I was not sure you would have agreed. It's totally OK.
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VERY NICE name. I approve 
Anyhow, on a slightly different note, I just finished a film (a classic style film noir) and I uploaded it to my site. Everyone is more than welcomed to come check it out and let me know what you think 
http://utopian.flipbrothers.com/movies/45seconds/45secondsqt.htm
Looking foward to see what you guys think.
Downloading AS I TYPE. Looking forward to watching it.
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I have unpinned the Strikeforce thread, as nobody seems interested in writing in it. 
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"We've all changed," Mason said in a serious tone after a moment. "Everything changes. The glory days always fade away before we can even recognize them. Such is the nature of life..." Mason took another sip of his drink, swallowed, and said, "Sic transit gloria mundi..."
"...So passes the glory of the world," Grissom said.
"Aye, lad. Aye."
So was this a self-fulfilling prophecy or what?
Sadly, it seems as though there is zero interest in the current story, based on the fact that no one's posted in it for 20 days now. Almost a whole month. That's gotta be a new record for us. I'm thinking maybe we should either wrap it up quick-like or toss in some kind of problem for the Vanguardians to tackle as a team, if not for the rest of the story then for the time being. We can always go back to the personal character stuff afterwards... though nobody's even done anything with that for the last 20 days.
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Or should we just call it quits?
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I'm sort of 'inspiration-dead'. Darn chemistry. I'll go with the majority on this one.
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Hold on. Give it another day or two. Trust me on this one.
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Trust you on what one? Be more specific.
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I'm thinking maybe we should either wrap it up quick-like or toss in some kind of problem for the Vanguardians to tackle as a team, if not for the rest of the story then for the time being.
Definitely throw in a threat. I'm just personally unaware of what to do this story. That and the fact that homework and rehearsals are simultaneously eating my soul are my main reasons for not posting.
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Trust you on what one? Be more specific.
"I have an idea. An idea so clever that my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about."
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Tomorrow. I've got stuff.
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Trust you on what one? Be more specific.
"I have an idea. An idea so clever that my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about."
So... you have an idea to get the team involved, then? That's cool. I really wasn't sure what you meant by "trust me"... and I'm still not completely sure I've interpreted your vague comments correctly. Sorry if I'm being a bit pedantic, here, but I can't stand non-clarity in a talk thread.
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There IS no current story. There's a bunch of solo stories. The characters are standing around opening restaurants and such. What does Danny or Robo Squirrel care if Brianna wants to be a nature photographer?
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And that was the point.
So it failed. Now we need a story.
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This is the problem with the current trend. In the fabled old days, usually the story never started wih something planned. We started writing about the guys hanging in the MBL headquarter, utnil someone started something, and then one other pick it up, and the third added something, and the story was born.
Now, the story is always in the hand of just one person, that plans it, and controls that it evolves in a pre-estabilished path.
There is nothing wrong in it, that way we have done great stories like Danny/Hal story or Obsidian Illumination. But, like now, no one has something grand in mind, it seems no story can be born out of pure round robin. Gooz has given us a great idea, the exploration of the island. why don't we have the guys and gal go there to check, and find something?
For Goox:
Nice post, but the last line worries me. Are you going to stop writing?
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I was expecting to see why Ed had called Phil. Sammitch, you had something in mind of was simply an opening for me?
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Heh. I don't even remember. Not a damned clue.
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There IS no current story. There's a bunch of solo stories. The characters are standing around opening restaurants and such.
One of the biggest problems the HR/Vanguard stories have faced of late. The plots suffer because people only seem to be interesting in writing their character vignettes instead of moving the plot forward. And on that note:
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What does Danny or Robo Squirrel care if Brianna wants to be a nature photographer?
Since they're not even around the group, what do they care, Daniel San?
I know I'm not posting to this group, but if I could make a suggestion? This might be a good time to bring to fruition the meta hate group that TTT introduced to the island some time back. You could at least bring the group together that way and give them something to face that would logically progress the plot.
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The meta-hate group is a good suggestion, thanks grimm, but don't forget also the group based in the PSI Unit quarter introduced by Gooz, and that took away Vanguard money.
But I wouldn't dismiss the no-plot story. With TOMB it gave us one of the best stories ever done, and it was really just about each guy done his things in mandelovia. The problem here is not that everyone post his onw thing, is that nobody post at all.
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I think it would be also interesting doing the Manhattan story now.
I know that it could seem the worst moment, with the lack of creativity, time and posters "on duty", but the "Thoughened glass" shows that there are many new writers that have time and will to wite, but are not able to join the HR Universe for all its complications.
The Manhattan story, IMo, is the one that could quickly and easily transform the universe into a "new reader friendly" one.
With just one story, we can get rid of many, redundant characters, old concepts, the meta-hate, the Strikeforce, and have a sipler universe with just two teams and new things to explore.
I would hear by Doc what he has in mind, and from the writers who would be interested into doing it now. The "bad moment of the year" is not an excuse, because we have been slow, and without too much time at our disposal for nearly a whole year. We need new blood, and to have it we have to simplify the HR place as soon as possible.
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The meta-hate group is a good suggestion, thanks grimm, but don't forget also the group based in the PSI Unit quarter introduced by Gooz, and that took away Vanguard money.
I remember them now, too. That's another possibility.
As far as the Manhattan story. No, it's not a good time, imo, to start that one up. For exactly the reasons you're citing. That being, no one is posting. It seems kind of pointless to me to start up another story, when people aren't working on the current ones, you know?
Chewy, Mxy, Notwedge, TTT, and myself are all consumed with other stuff, as an example. So yeah, it is a bad time for starting a story that is going to have to be majorly coordinated to work right.
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I understand perfectly. My only fear is that if people do other things, and no new ones is able to join, Vanguard is doomed.
But I have confidence that you and Doc will not let this to happen.
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I have an idea. An idea so clever that my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about. Tomorrow. I've got stuff.
Tomorrow is today. Post that damn thing, or I take over the story tomorrow. We have lost Gooz, I will not let Vanguard die.
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Vanguard is not gonna die if you leave it alone for a few more days. It's happened a ton of times before. It's only when people want to 'try cool new ideas' that the existence of that story is threatened with a total descent into crapulence. But since you put it that way, I'll pull my shit together and throw something up today sometime. If only to save our kickass universe from being practically annihilated. P.S.: User-friendly is for Macintrash groupies. We've got good enough writers here to keep two (three counting V-E) stories running.
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Vanguard is not gonna die if you leave it alone for a few more days. It's happened a ton of times before.
It has never been so long without a post
It's only when people want to 'try cool new ideas' that the existence of that story is threatened with a total descent into crapulence.
The only other time a story remained without posts for long, it was ended by one only poster with two or more page of posts by all alone himself. He had a lot of fun, but I don't thing in the end it was a good thing.
But since you put it that way, I'll pull my shit together and throw something up today sometime. If only to save our kickass universe from being practically annihilated.
Good boy. That was what I wanted to hear.
P.S.: User-friendly is for Macintrash groupies. We've got good enough writers here to keep two (three counting V-E) stories running.
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You're too impatient, Euro.
If you're that bored and itching to write, how about working on When We Were Heroes, Strikeforce 3, or Toughened Glass?
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The Manhattan story, IMo, is the one that could quickly and easily transform the universe into a "new reader friendly" one.
With just one story, we can get rid of many, redundant characters, old concepts, the meta-hate, the Strikeforce, and have a sipler universe with just two teams and new things to explore.
I would hear by Doc what he has in mind, and from the writers who would be interested into doing it now. The "bad moment of the year" is not an excuse, because we have been slow, and without too much time at our disposal for nearly a whole year. We need new blood, and to have it we have to simplify the HR place as soon as possible.
Not a good time. Too many of our writers are in college and are being bogged down with that to really try and get everyone in on that and expect it to go well, especially with people not having enough time to post in the main stories. Plus, we need to work out exactly how this is going to work with the Perdita group confined to the island and other things. I don't think the current lag is as much a lack of interest as much as it is a lack of time for most. I'm sure others share the feelings that I have about just posting constantly in one story when few others are as being a little to overbearing on it, which is why I haven't posted more before now (that and I've been working on other things). There simply seems to be too much life getting in the way of online writing right now. There's plenty of things for those of us who do have free time to do on this board besides the two teams.
Just to clear the air here, the whole plot arc of the MBL and Manhattan is not to get rid of a bunch of things in one story. It's meant to be a catalyst to change things. Meta hate won't go away. They'll just be a reason for people to not instantly hate metas.
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You're too impatient, Euro.
If you're that bored and itching to write, how about working on When We Were Heroes, Strikeforce 3, or Toughened Glass?
Heh. It's twenty days I don't post (like everybody else) in Vanguard. If I would be impatient I'd write myself the whole story like Danny did with the dark World.
With Thoughened Glass I am writing on a daily basis, more or less. I am having a lot of fun. There are people posting and other claiming they will join soon. It's what Vanguard need. With peoples quitting, there is a vital need of new blood.
About Strikeforce 3, it's the biggest mistake I did. I should have never started it, as me and TTT are the only one interested in that thing. One day will return for a Vanguard story (and I would be very pleased if we could find a way for having Hero and Grimm meet, and not necessarly clash).
About "When we were heroes", I am at a dead point. I have it planned completely, and now I have to write the fight between vanguard and the MBL, the one where Vanguard shows to be a powerful team. And as always, I am unable to write fights.
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Grimm: Robo Squirrel has not joined the group because there is no group to join. No adventure to go on. Nobody to fight, nothing to do.
Euro: Fights are easy. Just write what people are doing, not the consequences of their actions. "Euro swung his fist directly into Some Villain's face, then ducked and rolled across the dirt to avoid an arrow" is more interesting to read (in my opinion) than "The MBL arrived and turned the tide of battle!".
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Danny, you are right, but the problem is that I want to show them, both MBL and Vanguard, using with some effectiveness their powers.
And because the old MBLeaguers had dozens of different powers each, I would orchestrate a battle royale where the powers of one counteracts the powers of another...
It something usually it can't be done in group stories, because one has to close his eyes over the use (or misuse) of his own character, or else it would be impossible to keep going the story.
I mean, for example, Grissom could simply teleport a small pebble into the head of his opponent, effectively killed him. The Lioness could teleport all the Vanguardian into outher space or into the pit of a volcano... this sort of things. Why this doesn't happens?
It's something it can't be answered in a group story, but I think in a solo one should at the least try to be respectful to the whole character, included his own powers.
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You're too impatient, Euro.
If you're that bored and itching to write, how about working on When We Were Heroes, Strikeforce 3, or Toughened Glass?
Heh. It's twenty days I don't post (like everybody else) in Vanguard. If I would be impatient I'd write myself the whole story like Danny did with the dark World.
Heh. Not my point, and you know it.
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I'm all for new blood. Or old blood. I've done my share of trying to get recruits in old and new.
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About Strikeforce 3, it's the biggest mistake I did. I should have never started it, as me and TTT are the only one interested in that thing.
Do you really think so? Mxy and Notwedge were very interested before getting caught up in other things and not being able to write. And truth to tell, I'd thought of jumping in from time to time myself. But I have too much going on as it is.
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One day will return for a Vanguard story (and I would be very pleased if we could find a way for having Hero and Grimm meet, and not necessarly clash).
I wouldn't mind it. The trial idea still sits in my brain and occasionally I think of scenes for it. But honestly, right now it clashes with other things I want to do. Who knows? I did talk to Mxy once about doing a story with Grimm and Brian Dead. That's a natural.
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About "When we were heroes", I am at a dead point. I have it planned completely, and now I have to write the fight between vanguard and the MBL, the one where Vanguard shows to be a powerful team. And as always, I am unable to write fights.
I don't know what to tell you about that. I've had to work at fight scenes myself. Pro's good at 'em, though.
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(about Strikeforce 3) Do you really think so? Mxy and Notwedge were very interested before getting caught up in other things and not being able to write. And truth to tell, I'd thought of jumping in from time to time myself. But I have too much going on as it is.
I am flattered by the fact you were interested, and I know Mxy and NotWedge were also, but my point is that if people have too much going on their hand it confirms it was a mistake to start it as a new serie. if people are so busy with solos that don't even write in the collective thread, starting a third HR series was a very stupid idea.
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My hard drive crashed last night and I am still rebuilding the FAT, so I may not be able to post until later tonight.
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Then if something went wrong, I wouldn't be able to do anything.
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Why? Unix is not so difficult.
Back on topic, I am intrigued by your post. What are you cooking?
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I told him if he didn't post a follow-up, I'd kill all his characters. Time's up, Philsy...
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Shut your hole. Some of us have majors that require us to be away from our computers from time to time. 
Honestly, I think I'll be able to put something up when I get back tonight. Dr. Bell asked me to take some photos at variety show tonight, so I'll be going to both shows - for free!
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Hey, Euro. I'm just curious. Did you just write my character in your last post because you needed someone to say those lines? Because you write him the same way you did a year ago. Which would be okay if I did too. It doesn't really upset me - I know I mess up on characterization with other posters' characters from time to time - but every time I try to show my character's personality evolving, you paint him as the same impulsive, short-tempered newbie. It makes me think you're not really paying attention to what I'm writing. Which makes me sad. It's not that big a deal. I'll be posting later tonight, continuing my previous story post, so Phil's dialogue isn't really that important. I just think a lot of us - myself included - could stand to pay more attention to what other posters are trying to do with their characters. I know I used to have a problem with that - I can think of a couple of stories where I used Chance just to say the scripted lines that set up 'big' lines for Phil or Grissom or Dirk. I'll work harder on writing Ed in character, and you can do whatever you find best with all this.
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