Sorry for the delayed answer(s)... my grandmother died some days ago after a very painful month (for her and for us), then I got the worst flu of my life, so I could come to the computer only now. By the way, I must apologise for some part of my behaviour in this forum in the last month, but I was very shaken by the happenings in my life. Probably I should have simply stopped to come here, waiting for better days. My mistake.
Anyway, you deserves some answers.
Quote: Chewy said: Since when do people who quit the team have a vote in team politics?
Since you also said:
Quote: I'm willing to go with MAJORITY, but I'd like to hear the thoughts of Grimm, Ceej, Sammitch, and Danny (maybe even Doc?) before coming to an actual decision.
Quote: Grimm said:
Quote: Euro said:
I may point out that the Manhattan situation is not affecting much VE.
Or so you think.
what i think is that the name of Vanguard International is cleared up from the accusation of Merlin, and being presently NO ONE of the original members associated to the MBL, and that have been impersonated by the evil MBLears, I don't see why there should not be acceptance of them by the public at large, like it is for VE, especially because the meta-hate theme seems gone from both VI and VE as of now. Then, I can be wrong, because I am basing my words just on what I see, not on what it is planned to happen.
Quote: Mxy said:
Umm, Euro, I don't think Chewy, SPAM and Pro said exactly "yes" to my proposal. Chewy said he prefered the adventurers option over the "superhero" one (they're not the same thing), SPAM said he liked those two, and Pro raised his concerns over the superhero option.
I reported that in my first part of the post, but still I though it was interesting to count all the possible yes -some more straight, some a lot less- to your question and proposal. Like I said when I quitted, I would return if things would change: I very like your original proposal, yet I understand the objections made by Chewy and the others, and I also very like the two other proposal of Chewy (altough the adventurer one I am sure would be impractical for most the present posters). Just, only SpaMM put a vote for one of them.
Quote: Pro said: if we are to do grand, epic stories in the superhero vein, then, it is only logical that the team is equipped with characters that can handle grand, epic stories.
We have talked about this before, and you know I couldn't strongly disagree more. It's never how the character is loaded with powers, but always as the character is written. The Fantastic Four are a lot less numbered and powerful than the Avengers, yet they defeated Galactus...
The current roster of the Vanguardian is awesome: there is the master of sound, the master of mind, the master of matter, the master of strength... and if Mxy returns (as the end of Danny's betrayal issue seemed to imply) the master of fantasy as well. It's just how we write them, really.
Quote: ...and also said: What if we just allow it to grow organically? What if we just step back, write the characters and stories in a way that would excite us, with no pre-planning as to what they should ultimately be? What if we just let them be, and write? That's how all of out greatest stories and ideas have flourished in the past.
In the past it never worked like that. It worked always by stasis and jumps, with overhauls of the some kind Mxy is proposing now, The only difference is while before they have been always the choice of one or few, this time we are democratically discussing them.
For a few issue there have been the circus. Then the Circus has been destoryed and the team arrived at La Perdita and became the MBL. The MBL remained the same for some issues, and then it become Vanguard., At some point Vanguard International was destroyed, and (mostly for my fault) began this period of UN-ban, that cease with the current crossover.
Growing organically is a good thing, and it's happening in VE, but inside a previously established format, that is the company that gives missions to a group of metahumans. That's what makes VE easy for new readers to jump in. You have just to get an hold of the characters, and there isn't really more.
With Vanguard there is the island, the people of the island, there was the Strikeforce supblot... many things are my faults, I perfectly knows, but now that I have seen the light, why I should still defend them?
What I am saying, is that there is the need to build a frame within which the stories could be told letting the characters to grow organically.
Mxy's proposal presents a frame that is easy to grasp for any potential new writer, it's different enough from VE to let the writers that belongs to both groups to try different things, don't brings any baggage from the past that could scare new writers.
By the way the same applies for Chewy other two proposals, just one, IMO, would require a lot of skills for the writers, and the other is exceedingly similar to VE in scopes.
Quote: Grimm said: Exactly. Which is why you don't see me saying "this is what VI should be. . .blah blah blah" If asked, I give my opinion.
I gave mine because Mxy's proposal involve heavily the Strikeforce. And also because I deeply care for VI.
Quote: Mxy's said: I don't know about Euro, but I'm willing to put my Strikeforce characters in an uncomfortable and morally doubtful situation even if they're good guys, in fact I'd like to do that a lot. Euro, I know you've said Hero (and TTT's characters) wouldn't do some things, but what I like about the guy is how human he is, in contrast to his superhuman powers, and humans do fuck up quite often.
No, probably I was unable to express my though.
What I was intending is that this Strikeforce, as an organisation, being made of strongly individual people and being now without their mind-manipulator leader, Merlin, wouldn't behave like the old Strikeforces.
At an individual level they could be morally challenged and twisted in the way you like... in fact, I have completely changed the character of Hero in such a way... but for example Graviton is a straight good guy, and wouldn't accept any compromise. In fact, I was going to ask TTT the freedom to kill him off, to letting that trick with the UN to works. Now that Danny seems to find that the invasion story would not make sense anymore, there would be no reason for that.
So, to recap, fuck up with Hero as much as you want, as I too like to do that, while leave Graviton as respectable as he is.
And, finally,
Quote: Danny said: Not necessarily not interested, but it just doesn't seem to make as much sense now. They know Merlin was lying, they can have the ban lifted, etc.
