#32731
2003-05-09 3:48 AM
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Originally posted by thedoctor:
The Rock was already at a level that, in the very least, paralleled Hogan's at his peak.
fine.
but even in your world, if two athletic combatants draw parallels, seeing a fight between them always helps to "finally" put one above the other.
rock got a major status surge from beating hogan (that was squandered, really, with his decision to leave the business).
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Originally posted by thedoctor:
So, let's see. Beat Hogan, become a larger icon in wrestling. Does that mean, by your logic, that Goldberg is now a wrestling icon?
no, not at all
the rock beat hogan and became a larger icon. it was hailed as an icon vs icon bout. anytime a big gun beats a big gun, they become bigger.
but its not based on the transitive property -- it doesnt automatically relay itself to everyone. for example, batman takes out superman and becomes an ass kicking machine. but if the riddler beats batman in the next issue, that doesn't make the riddler top dog.
rock's status got a big jump by defeating hogan. but kurt angle didn't get nearly as much.
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Originally posted by thedoctor:
Hopefully these guys are learning something because this isn't helping their images to the public. When Christian teamed with Jericho, you could see a slow change on his delivery of comic moments. So, being teamed with Y2J really did help Chris's performance on that level. Maybe Piper can teach O'Haire something about being a villian. And maybe Trip will learn how to have charisma from Flair. (Then again, he'll probably just keep fucking the boss's daughter to stay on top.)
and, really, tho we'd all love to see more development, what more can you hope for? the process of getting someone over takes a few weeks at the minimum. and with the 8,000 characters they have (not even counting the old guard), there's just little focus to accomplish that.
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#32732
2003-05-08 5:50 PM
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Ok two points I`d like to make!
1)In the Wrestlemania fight the fans started supporting the heel (Hogan) & started booing the face (Rock),this was the catalyst used to propell The Rock into his current heel status!
2)You say Hogan put Lesnar over,but surely Taker,Rock & every other superstar who laid down for Lesnar put him over!
Beating Taker in a hell in a cell & F5`ing Big Show probably did more for Lesnar than beating Hogan did!
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#32733
2003-05-08 6:46 PM
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Originally posted by Captain Howdy:
1)In the Wrestlemania fight the fans started supporting the heel (Hogan) & started booing the face (Rock),this was the catalyst used to propell The Rock into his current heel status!
true. and i think it elevated his overall status even more so.
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Originally posted by Captain Howdy:
2)You say Hogan put Lesnar over,but surely Taker,Rock & every other superstar who laid down for Lesnar put him over!
i didn't mean to say hogan did it alone -- he's just one of those who helped by jobbing to the guy not even at a pay per view!
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#32734
2003-05-08 8:24 PM
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So Hogan wasnt really needed was he!
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#32735
2003-05-08 9:37 PM
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#32736
2003-05-09 8:15 AM
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They always need new stars you dope,they cant possibly expect the stars of today to all be wrestling in ten years time,& they especially cant expect the stars of yesterday to still be wrestling!
If new young guys dont come along,then there is no WWE in the future!
What a ridiculous statement Rob!
Lesnar is getting the push that Hogan got when he started so maybe back then WWF didnt need Hogan by your logic!
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#32737
2003-05-09 12:01 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Captain Howdy:
If new young guys dont come along,then there is no WWE in the future!
and if there's no existing stars to carry and push them, then there is no wwe in the current time.
saying there was no need for hogan was just as ridiculous as saying there was no need for lesnar
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#32738
2003-05-09 12:21 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
and if there's no existing stars to carry and push them, then there is no wwe in the current time.
saying there was no need for hogan was just as ridiculous as saying there was no need for lesnar
Yet there are already existing stars: Austin, Rock, Taker, Angle, Trip.
Personally, I think it was all just Vince making Hogan eat all those nasty things he said about him.
Hogan is only good for the nostalgia crew, and their numbers are dwindling. Ratings didn't spike or even slightly increase with his resurrection in the WWF. His position as a top name in the business has drastically fallen off and gives him little credence as a threat to any of the younger talent.
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#32739
2003-05-09 12:35 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Yet there are already existing stars: Austin, Rock, Taker, Angle, Trip.
and there are already rising stars:
booker, edge, storm, jericho, o'haire.
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Originally posted by thedoctor:
Hogan is only good for the nostalgia crew, and their numbers are dwindling. Ratings didn't spike or even slightly increase with his resurrection in the WWF.
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check every ppv buy rate from 2001 and compare it to the equivelant ppv from 2002 that hogan was in. also note the significant drop off in the 2002 ppvs hogan was not in.
tv ratings have also jumped up a bit during his appearances, but have, overall, lowered greatly (due to dying audience and show branding)
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Originally posted by thedoctor:
His position as a top name in the business has drastically fallen off and gives him little credence as a threat to any of the younger talent.
he's not the name he was, sure. but he's still a big name, even in your world.
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#32740
2003-05-09 8:32 PM
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He`s also still a total cunt!
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#32741
2003-05-10 12:04 AM
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#32742
2003-05-10 9:32 AM
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No coming back from that one is there Rob!
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#32743
2003-05-10 5:46 PM
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you have to give hogan one thing, he jobs more than the undertaker.
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#32744
2003-05-10 7:28 PM
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And Steve Austin. Combined.
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#32745
2003-05-10 9:17 PM
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Loved that picture Austin put on the wall on Raw this week!
Funniest thing I`ve seen in ages!
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#32746
2003-05-10 10:51 PM
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#32747
2003-05-11 12:50 AM
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Heh. So did I ![[biiiig grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
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#32748
2003-05-11 10:37 AM
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I dont understand why Raw gets so much stick nowdays.
Raw & Smackdown are no different right now except that Raw has more top names on its roster!
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#32749
2003-05-11 12:11 PM
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Since Heyman's demotion, Raw and Smackdown are pretty much exactly the same.
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#32750
2003-05-11 1:51 PM
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#32751
2003-05-20 3:45 AM
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quote:
The Mr. America gimmick is said to be the co-creation of Vince McMahon and Hulk Hogan.
Originally Shane McMahon was set to feud with Hogan, but those plans have been put on hold for now.
The idea to put Sean O’Haire with Roddy Piper was Bruce Pritchard’s, largely in response to the notion that the big name stars weren’t doing enough to give the rub to newer talent.
credit: Pro Wrestling Torch Newsletter
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#32752
2003-05-22 3:24 AM
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quote:
- Vince McMahon has spent alot of time booking his fued with Mr America. Even though all storylines are shown to Vince, he is spending extra time on his storyline with Hogan right now. Many people are saying that Vince isn't sure how to fix all the problems in the WWE right now, so he is spending alot of time making sure at least his program with Hogan is going well.
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#32753
2003-05-21 7:17 PM
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I could help Vince fix his problems!
First:Get rid of Hogan!
Second:Get rid of Hogan!
Third:GET RID OF HOGAN!
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#32754
2003-05-21 11:17 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Nowhereman:
I could help Vince fix his problems!
First:Get rid of Hogan!
Second:Get rid of Hogan!
Third:GET RID OF HOGAN!
So...exactly what point are you trying to get across?
I haven't seen Hogan wrestle in awhile...hmmm...now that I think about it, I haven't seen Hogan EVER wrestle :lol:
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#32755
2003-05-22 12:31 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Grimm:
Since Heyman's demotion, Raw and Smackdown are pretty much exactly the same.
I noticed Heyman hasn't been around awhile. Why'd he get demoted? Not that I'm complaining.....he was starting to get on my nerves. ![[...rassamnfrackin...]](graemlins/grumble01.gif)
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#32756
2003-05-22 12:33 AM
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Getting rid of Hogan would suddenly cure the shows? Bullshit. They sucked for well over a year before Hogan returned. It's all well and good that you hate Hogan, Nowhereman, there's nothing wrong with that. But how exactly would getting rid of Hogan suddenly make Triple H, Kevin Nash, Steve Austin, Goldberg, etc. interesting again? How would it give Booker T and others the pushes they deserve?
It wouldn't. Period. There's bigger problems than Hogan running around in a mask here.
Get rid of the writers. Bring in good writers. That's how you fix the shows.
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#32757
2003-05-22 1:35 AM
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Good writers would definitely be a step in the right direction. Then you have to get their ideas past Vince and the egos at the top (nee: Hogan, The Clique).
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#32758
2003-05-22 12:37 PM
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quote:
Earlier today the WWE.com website listed the Smackdown preview as:
Mr. America got his first win Sunday at Judgment Day, and Mr. McMahon must be more furious than ever. Hogan has found an unlikely ally in a young, one-legged fan named Zack. Will Mr. McMahon and Rowdy Roddy Piper came after the two full-force? Find out on SmackDown
They have now corrected the mistake and put Mr America in where it said Hogan
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#32759
2003-05-22 7:38 PM
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Be quiet Velo,if they got rid of Hogan the product would improve alot for me & thats all that matters ya big girl!
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#32760
2003-05-23 2:26 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Kristogar Velo:
Getting rid of Hogan would suddenly cure the shows? Bullshit. They sucked for well over a year before Hogan returned. It's all well and good that you hate Hogan, Nowhereman, there's nothing wrong with that. But how exactly would getting rid of Hogan suddenly make Triple H, Kevin Nash, Steve Austin, Goldberg, etc. interesting again? How would it give Booker T and others the pushes they deserve?
It wouldn't. Period. There's bigger problems than Hogan running around in a mask here.
Get rid of the writers. Bring in good writers. That's how you fix the shows.
seeing as vince as final say, and he's probablly the one who was trying to get guys like goldberg, and letting hhh put his buddies in the spotlight, vince needs to go.
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#32761
2003-05-23 5:41 PM
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I like the way you think, Mr. dsoley.
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#32762
2003-05-24 8:19 AM
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#32763
2003-05-24 1:04 PM
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You get jealous so easily, Nowhereman...
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#32765
2003-05-25 2:11 PM
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This is just getting stoopid with that bloody one legged kid getting thrown in the mix!
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#32766
2003-05-26 3:10 AM
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I got to watch Judgement Day last night.
Hogan... er, Mr. America kicked Piper's ass.
And Hall hit the wrong table with HHH's head.
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#32767
2003-05-26 9:46 PM
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Nobody told me Hall was back!
Bwah ha ha!
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#32768
2003-05-28 6:25 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Arnold Judas Rimmer:
Nobody told me Hall was back!
Bwah ha ha!
Oops, I meant Nash. The guy that used to be Diesel...
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#32769
2003-05-28 9:38 PM
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Hall will be upset that you mistook him for Mr.Stinky-wrestler!
Well he will be upset when he sobers up!
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#32770
2003-05-28 9:45 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Arnold Judas Rimmer:
Hall will be upset that you mistook him for Mr.Stinky-wrestler!
Well he will be upset when he sobers up!
Heh, that guy will always be Razor Ramon to me. I think I said Hall because I confuse the two since they stopped going by Diesel and Razor.
And what happened to the 123 Kid?
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