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#32868 2003-05-06 8:55 PM
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Okay, am I the only one whose suspension-of-disbelief is completely shattered when wrestlers bring out the ol' sledgehammer?

I watch wrestling like I'm sure the majority of its sane fans do and can accept about 99% of the stuff they do as at least in the realm of possiblity (dependent on the individual wrestler's ability to "sell" the moves, of course).

When they bring out the sledgehammers though, I go "What the fuck?!" Now, I've never been in the situation, but I'm fairly certain that if a person wasn't killed outright from a blow to the head from a sledgehammer then they would at least suffer some sort of mild-to-severe brain damage. Especially with the force they try to "sell" it with.

Thoughts?

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Hell, I still wonder about the chairs....
I haven't graduated to sledgehammers yet..

#32870 2003-05-06 11:47 PM
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Sledgehammer blows generally aren't fatal when the one delivering it puts his hand on it when striking a person, a la Triple H. Or when the blow itself doesn't connect, a la Triple H. Or when the one receiving the damage puts their hands up to prevent any contact a la Kevin Nash.

I fully agree, of course. I don't understand why they don't try to just get moves over for wrestlers to punk each other out with. It would mean more for the actual wrestling portion of the shows.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pig Iron:
Hell, I still wonder about the chairs....
I haven't graduated to sledgehammers yet..

The chairs are real....they hurt....OUCH [DOH!]

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Another thing to consider is how they hit with a hammer!
They punt with the end of it,not swing it like you would if using it as a real weapon!

#32873 2003-05-07 10:45 AM
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Yeah, I see all the "tricks" they do to sell the sledgehammer. That's kinda my point. Do the writers think that the audience is that stupid? It's one thing to ignore the more traditional slight-of-hand stuff they use to sell regular wrestling moves and "believe" the moves, it's a whole other thing in my mind to accept that a real shot to the head wouldn't cause brain damage and/or death.

Didn't they start using the sledgehammer around about the time wrestling started its nosedive in ratings?

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You're the kind of person who questions the use of super powers in comic book movies, aren't you? [izzat so?]
It's entertainment. It's not supposed to be real. You might as well be asking why wrestlers aren't arrested for assault and batter after matches. It's no more far fetched than things you'd see on other TV shows or movies. It's called suspension of disbelief. If you can't suspend it over the use of a sledgehammer, then how in the hell can even watch wrestling?

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Trip's the only one that really uses a sledgehammer, and his matches are so boring I'm usually not watching anyway.

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quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
If you can't suspend it over the use of a sledgehammer, then how in the hell can even watch wrestling?

Perhaps because sledgehammers generally aren't associated with sporting events? I see your point, but at the same time you have to draw a line. Why don't we have guys just bringing chainsaws and machine guns to matches? Because it's so far removed from wrestling it's detracting from the reasons you enjoy watching.

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I'm sure chair shots were common place during Greco-Roman matches back at the turn of the century. The event has evolved. And, as I said, Velo, wrestling is more manufactured entertainment than a sport.

Plus, Mick Foley survied, though barely, being tossed off of and crashing through the Hell in the Cell. The human body can be pretty hard to crack sometimes.

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thedoctor: No, I'm not one of those people who wants realism in my entertainment (if I was, then why would I bother to watch wresting in the first place?)

For the two hours that wrestling is on, I -- like I'm certain the vast majority of wrestling's fans -- do indeed suspend my disbelief. I gloss over the open-handed slaps, the chair shots to the back which the announcers say are direct hits to the head, the wrestlers actually climbing the ropes and holding on to the other guy so the other guy can throw him on the mat, and the other gazillion slight-of-hand stuff they do to make it look realistic. I just sit back and "enjoy the show."

As I said in my initial post, that suspension of disbelief (at least for me) is shattered when they expect the audience to believe that HHH is really hitting somebody in the head with a sledgehammer.

Why don't they try to put each other over by actually wrestling?

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quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
I'm sure chair shots were common place during Greco-Roman matches back at the turn of the century. The event has evolved. And, as I said, Velo, wrestling is more manufactured entertainment than a sport.

I actually prefer the Greco-Roman matches contested in Greco-Roman times(and yes, that is by far the gayest thing I have ever said).

But chair shots aren't potentially fatal. I'm saying that a line should be drawn. You could buy someone wailing on an opponent with a chair as devestating without being career-threatening. With the sledgehammer, you can't even make it look plausible, much less get any sort of message across to the audience with it.

#32880 2003-05-07 7:31 PM
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How often do we see the hammer?
Not often so whats the real beef?
Throwing someone face first into a metal ringpost is just as potentially fatal,yet we see that even more!

BTW Grimm,I see you`ve picked up on the Y2J spawned nickname Trip as well!

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HHH being worl champ is so unbelievable the hammer is fluff in comparison!


....chaird btw hurt and hurt bad, the thing is your adrenaline is flowing so you can block it out like in a real fight, ive been knocked loopy many a time by a chair the most visious object though would be the stop sign it has no "sweet spot" theyll fuck ya up.....

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Donkey fucker!

#32883 2003-05-07 7:56 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by The Poof:
How often do we see the hammer?

Too often.

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Throwing someone face first into a metal ringpost is just as potentially fatal,yet we see that even more!
I guess I don't think of it as potentially fatal for whatever reason. At least the post can exist in the context of a match, and get a point across. Does anybody remember just one time when seeing the sledge used actually heightened a story? The chair, Rock/Foley "I Quit"; the post, Bret v. Owen WM X. That's just off the top of my head.

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You really do have too much time on your hands if this is whats creeping round in that excuse for a brain!

#32885 2003-05-08 7:49 PM
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You want I should be like you, who has LLance creeping around your excuse for a brain?

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Llance creep?
You seen the size of that boy?


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