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It is. Otherwise I wouldn't have said it.
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A very obvious statement.
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A very uninformative description.
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It's informative that you clarify my statement as uninformative.
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If you have something worth saying now would be a good time to say it.
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......I was just playin' around. Geez! 
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This is the deep thoughts forum. Only DEEP THOUGHTS go here.
Now comb my pubes.
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Only if you shave my ass.
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Okay, you got the ceremonial comb?
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DAMMIT ANIMALMAN!! You were supposed to bring the one with the ant-eater on it!
I can't work under these conditions!
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I broke that one.
My hairs are....resilient.
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So the teacher is responsable for his college level adult students not being able to:
1) listen to his lecture introductions
2) patiently listen to another persons opposing point of view to completion before jumping to conclusions (which, by the way, is one of the seven habits of highly effective people - seek first to understand, then to be understood. I had to read that book in sixth grade.)
Certainly there is the technicality of not explaining clearly. However, as we were not there, this cannot even be discussed. It's all subjective anyhow. What is an agonizingly redundant and cautious speach boring one person to tears is hardly enough to prepare the next student for what's coming. Psychology, sociology and philosophy courses are intended to ask the difficult questions. They are supposed to remove you from your rut of comfortable thought and expose the student to another point of view. We pay hundreds of dollars for a course to do that. I find the student to be lacking in his understanding of how college works and what it means to learn and broaden your mind.
I disagree with you and I think the student should be held responsable for his inadequacies. He needed that lesson more than probably anyone else in that classroom and he turned a deaf ear. He is a fool. Even his God tells him that in his Bible.
Thanks for this. This is exactly where I was trying to go.
I'm of the opinion that college should be for higher learning and thought. Some people however feel that these are places merely to go and take tests so they can get a peice of paper to help them make more money.
I can't fathom how one can go to a place of higher learning with a rigid unyeilding mindset and with the opinion that your rigid unyeilding mindset is absolute truth & not to be challenged or broadened in any way whatsoever while you're there lest you throw some fit about how you're being persecuted.
If you want someone to merely parrot your beleifs from your upbringing, then I doubt higher learning is for you. Perhaps a technical college might be the best course as they're there to teach you a skill and not there to broaden your horizons in any way save financially and as narrowly and career specific as possible.
That doesn't mean I think God is incompatible with education. I think though that perhaps some people really have a problem being presented with opposing, alternative, or challenging points of view.
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So the teacher is responsable for his college level adult students not being able to:
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its not a question of maturity (if i read correctly in thats where you're headed). its a question of sensability and sensativity.
the professor is in charge. he is responsibile, by definition.
similarly, there are certain things a boss should, and should not say to his employees -- even if his employees are in their 40s and 50s and have children of their own.
even if what your boss or your professor or your parent is innocently telling you something that, in their opinion, is meant to make you a better person, they have to take into account their audience and its varied sensabilities.
thats what their position of authority burdens them with.
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Granted teachers wield a great power over their students and a massive responsability due to their work guiding the formation of a person's mind. However, is that to say a person has no personal responsability for what they accept and reject? Especially at the college level I would expect, rather demand a person be capable of self thought.
as said before, personally, i have no problem with the question and the situation. as noted, neither do you or wednesday or a number of others here.
in fact, i'm all in favor of doing whatever i can to broaden my limits. i had several college professors who went out of their way to break the traditional barriers, and open up new outlets of our minds. ...without pot! and, honestly, i'm eternally grateful for that opportunity, and feel i got a lot out of it.
but this is not a simple case of education, and i feel it inadequate to address it as such.
my teachers, apparently, knew us. they knew what they could, and could not, "get away with." you and i are, apparently, much more open and willing to accept new and different thought. i like to challenge things and debate things and deal with sensative topics. i have no issue discussing race or sexuality or politics or religion with parents or teachers or friends or rkmbers.
thats not the path for everyone. and i can't fault anyone simply for not sharing what i feel is right for me.
a teacher, of all people, should keep that in mind.
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Statements from other students in that class would clear a lot of this up.
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Gay Niggers From Outer Space!
That'll be the subject of my new erotic story.
I saw that movie stoned once. DAMN. S'all I can say.
Yeah, you're welcome to it, JQ, but it's over a decade old.
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my teachers, apparently, knew us. they knew what they could, and could not, "get away with."
Even in college? I've had three classes in three years with the same professor and he has no idea who I am. Even in the open discussion classes like philosophy my professors don't know who we are.
Anyway, this seems like we're just going to be agreeing to disagree here. It's just a matter of opinion anymore.
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...but they probably won't renew this guy's tenure.
If he has tenure, as I understand the tenure process (my friend just earned it at Ohio State this summer), it's irrevocable unless you can prove some sort of malfeasance.
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my teachers, apparently, knew us. they knew what they could, and could not, "get away with."
Even in college? I've had three classes in three years with the same professor and he has no idea who I am. Even in the open discussion classes like philosophy my professors don't know who we are.
mostly because the classes were small for college. the entire honors program was only 60 students deep, so classes rarely went over 30 people. that afforded the teachers the ability to form an understanding with most everyone there.
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Any student who feels his/her beliefs attacked is able to drop the class.
The best way to get conservitives out is to drive them out, eh?
No. You're misreading my remark. If someone feels that they can't tolerate the class because his/her beliefs are being challenged, then they are free to drop the class.
If they wish to stick it and argue for their own beliefs, great. What's good for the goose...
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Fine. But I asked first.
Now it's getting interesting. What time should I be there, guys? I can bring the comb...
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In our library archives, I found a 6-year-old story about professor LeBlanc. It listed his multiple college degrees, including his doctorate in education. It told how he’d worked as a probation officer and juvenile counselor.
And it disclosed that he is an ordained minister in the Ecumenical Catholic Church, was a Roman Catholic monk as a young man and dreamed of being a Roman Catholic priest but refused to hide the fact that he’s gay.
why would he attack somebodies Christian beliefs that he probably shares? That being said, I still think he used bad judgement in putting those words on the black boards.
The manager for the grocery store I used to work at would spend a lot of time going off on our Christian customers in his office when they'd do shit to piss him off (like telling him he was only interested in money and didn't care about God because the store was open on Sunday, even though they were in the store on Sunday buying shit). I was shocked later when I met his daughter (she began dating my roommate, who also used to work under the same manager. weird situation all the way around) and she told us that he used to be a Pentecostal preacher until he had it out with the church over something involving his wife. So, I wouldn't rule it out.
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Tenure should allow for proffessors to bring forth ideas that may fit outside of the mainstream and start discussion and debat. It should not be used as a shield to lash out and attack beliefs that he disagrees with. LeBlanc used his tenure to attack a student's beliefs and the student himself. That is not what tenure is for, and it should not be allowed.
Says who? First, the student says he was confronted by the professor on the first day. Being confronted and being attacked are two different things. As you said, professors should be allowed "to bring forth ideas that may fit outside of the mainstream and start discussion and debate." As a student I can attest to the fact that confronting students about their beliefs is one very positive way of doing that, and that's exactly what LeBlanc did. The student himself admits that.
I was going by the original article where the college's committee had ruled that the teacher was in violation of their policy and his conduct was discriminating. But it does say that that was based on the student's own statements. Should have known better for a college administration to actually do any work in responding to these situations.
Still, I feel that a teacher should invoke thought from his students without being discriminating against them. I had two professors in college who are prime examples of both. One was a history professor who specialized in Southern History (specifically the Civil War and the post colonial years). He turned everything I'd been taught as part of a PC ciriculum on it's ear. He showed evidence that books like Uncle Tom's Cabin were propoganda from the Abolishionist movement and was extremely inaccurate in it's portrayl of slavery. He made it abundantly clear that slavery was never morally right in his eyes and wasn't making excuses for it. He presented evidence of generosity of slave owners towards their slaves and freedoms that were later stripped away because of the fear of uprising from the abolishionist pamphlets. He made sure to reinforce the fact that slave owners, though kind, also saw their slaves as inferiors and more as cattle than people. With the use of diaries, newspapers, and letters (by both white men and slaves of that period) he was able to support his claim.
On the other hand, there was another professor who was from India or Pakistan or some other third world country with little to no environmental regulations (can't remember which; and , really, I no longer care) who spent his class time berating America and, specifically, the Republican party for poor environmental standards and practices. Now, keep in mind this was during Clinton's last term in office; and, say what you might about his policies and actions in office, that dude was all about some environmentalism. Whenever we'd bring up things like the fact that the Republican's had a hefty hand in creating the EPA, he'd dismiss it and berate us again. Grading in that class was heavily effected by his personal views and how you reacted to them. The funny thing about it is that this jackass cruised around campus in a beat up old van that spit forth more smoke than a fucking chimney.
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mostly because the classes were small for college. the entire honors program was only 60 students deep, so classes rarely went over 30 people. that afforded the teachers the ability to form an understanding with most everyone there.
That would suck for me. Virtual anonymity is my favorite part of college.
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