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It's Ralph. Don't ask me how. But, I think he's responsible.... 
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I can't believe that Bats would approve the mindwipe given all the people over the years that he's let know his secret ID, including, Ras Al Ghul, Talia, Talia's sister, Ubu, everyone in the League of Assassins, Bane, Catwoman, Riddler, Hush, possibly the Joker, etc., etc.
If Batman was in favor of mind-wiping, Zatanna would have a permanent office at Arkham Asylum.
In fact, I suspect that the denounment of this story will be that a lot of people, including, possibly, some of the above people and Lois, are going to be mind-wiped permanently.
There seems to be a undercurrent to this story of "superheroes NEED secret IDs"
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from The Brave and the Bold # 28: "Starro the Conqueror!"
first appearance of the JLA
however their "origin" would later be reveiled.
So the Appellaxians would be considered the first JLA villains.
Or (if you include pre-Crisis stories that are no longer in continuity and were probably really contrived in the first place) the first villain would be Commander Blanx.
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It's Ralph. Don't ask me how. But, I think he's responsible....
That would be amusing.
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Actually, that's the theory I'm holding onto also, for now.
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Well, he has the capability of doing it. And, the whole scene of him crumpled on his couch, listening to the message from his insurance company really got me thinking.
What if Sue was cheating on him with someone else? What if she was pregnant from someone else, and Ralph knew?
I'm really just grasping at straws. Mainly because, at this point, the fervor of guesses from all of fandom might make the actual villian-reveal to be anti-climatic. Still, I think this story is about more than the mystery itself....
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well yeah, the actual story is the heroes and what they did, and how they're dealing with things now. the mystery and the guesswork is the fun part. for us.
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How could Ralph kill Sue when he was listening on the phone while it happened?
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Well, he has the capability of doing it. And, the whole scene of him crumpled on his couch, listening to the message from his insurance company really got me thinking.
What if Sue was cheating on him with someone else? What if she was pregnant from someone else, and Ralph knew?
I'm really just grasping at straws. Mainly because, at this point, the fervor of guesses from all of fandom might make the actual villian-reveal to be anti-climatic. Still, I think this story is about more than the mystery itself....
Yes...it's true...I WAS SUE DIBNY'S BOY TOY!!!!!! 
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Q: When did Superman reveal his secret ID to Green Arrow and Black Canary?
I was surprised they were able to just find him while he wasn't in uniform. Not GA so much, but BC for sure.
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If Ralph was sterile.... that would be a motive.
Are his sperm are elongated?
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Ok, say Elongated Man's sperm can stretch. That means multiple sperm can reach Sue Dibny's egg and do their acrosomal reaction thing and penetrate the membrane of the egg.
Sue Dibny is a normal human being. The reaction where the vitelline layer of the egg hardens occurs at a normal rate, so a number of the stretchy sperm can penetrate the egg.
This would have had tragic results for the baby.
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I did my flip through today. Great cover. Turner is a fine artist. And a very interesting story.
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And the actual comment is that Slipknot wasn't staring at her rack, but at what was " below her waist and hanging twelve inches lower" which has got to be the most unintentionally funny line I've seen in quite a while.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this before. Is it implying WW has balls?
Not at all. Her magic lasso was what Slipknot was staring at for obvious reasons. That's the rope of all ropes, and he knows what it can do.
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Looks like Lois is targeted next, but how on earth is someone slipping by the elaborate security system? An inside job? But who has the motivation?
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And why alert Lois to the fact she's next? To keep Supes out of the picture and jittery, I guess?
I think the letter Lois got is simply a distraction. Someone else will be targeted next while Superman and others focus their attention on Lois.
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I plan on ruining comics for everyone, by the way.
You're doing a bang-up job so far, kid!
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Thanks. Wait 'till I revamp Wonder Woman (Mxy knows about this).
Anyway, here's an interesting theory from this week's Lying in the Gutters:
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Gutteratti Dimension Of Continuity writes with his own, thoroughly thought through Identity Crisis theory. And since last week's clearly wasn't, why not give him a go? Dimensions Of Continuity, take it away!
"The key to solving any great mystery is to connect together means, motive and opportunity. Brad Meltzer recently touched on this at the end of Identity Crisis #4. Who benefits? If I am correct, the answer to that question has an enormous twist to it.
"I believe the serial killer is Hunter Zolomon - a.k.a. Zoom. The answer has been there all along.
"Means - Hunter Zolomon made his career as a rogue profiler. He knows the various means and methods super villians use, and it would be incredibly easy for him to replicate their modus operandi as a means of misdirection (so Zolomon's work could move along with more ease). Zolomon is also now a super speedster. As a result, Zolomon can move faster than light; he can bend time. Subverting the intricate security systems would be very easy for him.
"Motive - When Zolomon went insane, he came to believe it was his duty to make heroes stronger through personal crisis. This is why Zolomon killed Wally and Linda's unborn children. However, when the Spectre mind-wiped every person on earth, Zolomon was suddenly left without his personal knowledge of the Flash. As a result, Zolomon began to carry out his original agenda with other heroes. Who benefits? In Zolomon's mind, it is the heroes who benefit. Zolomon killed Sue Dibny to make Elongated Man stronger. Zolomon attempted to kill Jean Loring to make Atom stronger. The threat to Lois? It's a little early to say, but would it truly be hard for Zolomon to determine even secret identities? Zolomon is a profiler, after all; he just never had a motive for profiling heroes until now.
"Opportunity - Just before Identity Crisis premiered, Ashley Zolomon was in a severe car wreck in the pages of Flash. The danger to Ashley awoke Zoom from his suspended state. This was highlighted by Zoom leaving yellow flowers for his wife in her hospital room. Zoom became active right as Identity Crisis started. He's been active through the entire series.
"The piece of the puzzle that allowed me to put this together is the recent release of Flash #214. Geoff Johns went to some pains to lay out the Identity Crisis timeline so that it could be proven Zoom was active in the right time frame. Johns also went to some pains near the end of the issue to lay out how greatly the revelation of the killer will affect both Wally and the Flash. Why? Well, Identity Crisis will have been Wally's fault in a way. But for Wally's request, the Spectre would have not wiped away the identity of the Flash. But for Wally's request, a mind wiped Zolomon may not have targeted the loved ones of unsuspecting heroes.
"So is that the solution to the Identity Crisis mystery? Only time will tell. However, it is a greatly compelling scenario; and the way I would have written it. If true, then DC, Meltzer and Johns have done an emormous job with this. The build up and the answers have been in the DC Universe for quite some time; but you would need to look at the big picture to see things before the final reveal in Identity Crisis. As DC has been telling us all along - Identity Crisis is not just a mini-series; it truly is an event."
Ta da! now, go about your business...
Hm.........
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"Hm" indeed.
If that turns out to be the solution after all, I'm going to feel terribly cheated. A reader shouldn't have to read THE FLASH in order to figure out the clues to the killer's identity in IDENTITY CRISIS.
No, I think (or at least hope) that Meltzer has shown us the actual killer already in the pages of IDENTITY CRISIS itself.
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"Hm" indeed.
If that turns out to be the solution after all, I'm going to feel terribly cheated. A reader shouldn't have to read THE FLASH in order to figure out the clues to the killer's identity in IDENTITY CRISIS.
No, I think (or at least hope) that Meltzer has shown us the actual killer already in the pages of IDENTITY CRISIS itself.
I agree. That was one of the reasons why I was glad that Identity Crisis wasn't a crossover event that required I buy all the books in the DCU to understand it. If that turns out to be the case, I'll be mighty pissed...
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Didn't Meltzer say that this story was in the vein of a classic mystery, in that all the clues were set up in the first issue?
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"Hm" indeed.
If that turns out to be the solution after all, I'm going to feel terribly cheated. A reader shouldn't have to read THE FLASH in order to figure out the clues to the killer's identity in IDENTITY CRISIS.
No, I think (or at least hope) that Meltzer has shown us the actual killer already in the pages of IDENTITY CRISIS itself.
I'm really fearful of the solution to this mystery. We're all reading it and hoping the revelation will be shocking and controversial, but it's quite possible that it will turn out to be something like this.
1602 had a similar effect. I was expecting the most amazing explanation for the why things are taking place 360 years too early, and the result wasn't necessarily bad, just something that didn't amaze me.
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It better not be Professor Zoom. I don't read Flash, and would think that was a huge plotting error, even if the motive is interesting (a perspective on why fans like to see people die in comics, and how it is used to make characters grim and gritty)
I'm also hoping that we've seen the killer already, and that there will be a twist.
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1602 had a similar effect. I was expecting the most amazing explanation for the why things are taking place 360 years too early, and the result wasn't necessarily bad, just something that didn't amaze me.
Don't forgot Mystic River, Disco. A overdone maudlin movie with bits of "Law and Order" spliced in, further ruined by the world's stupidest revelation.
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Don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread yet...
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As for it being an inside tip (to a published issue of anything) well, Superman #423 was the final issue before the Byrne reboot, Action #423's cover shows a mysterious person thinking "I won...I turned Superman into a murderer!", Detective #423's cover (both pre-Crisis, satelite era) asks "Why has The Batman--who has sworn never to use a gun--turned into an assassin?".
Here's the covers ....
Possible Ramifications..?
Because heroes ethics are being called into question and "mind wiping" is a major part of this story, (as well as the fact Dr. Light remembers Batman being there when the vote went down and the others that were there didn't) each one of the satelite era members may have a dark secret or two in their past that's been "wiped" from memory by the rest of the satelite crew. And that, after all these years, one member may even remember his forced mind wipe/rape, and could be behind IC looking for vengence.
I don't think so, but Dan Didio said IC would shake up the DCU for years after, and Brad Meltzer's "each character will be considerably taken down a peg (especially Batman) while one character will rise above (presumably EM) and the DCU will become a darker place - The key to this all is the era in which it starts" comment.
Which happens to be after Iris Allen was presumably murdered and just before Barry Allen went to trial for apparently killing Zoom I (just before Crisis)
Also, 423 represents the JLA vote to lobotomize Light. It was "4 to 3".
Thoughts? 
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Oh my god! What about Avengers #423? The Storm Breaks! (Part 2) by Scott Harris The Avengers (Yellowjacket, Captain America, Vision, Namor, Ms. Marvel and Beast along with the Black Widow) have been defeated by the Thunderbolts and lie helpless at the feet of the gloating Citizen V. Back at Avengers Mansion, Jarvis is on the horn (heh heh). Coincidence! I say not! And then.... the coup de grace. http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t15291.htmlQuote:
A biscuit tin featuring a picture of an amorous couple making love in bushes behind a tea party has sold for £423 at an auction in Somerset.
The tin was made by Berkshire biscuit firm Huntley and Palmers in the 1970s for supermarket Tesco.
The initial design did not feature the couple, or a pair of passionate dogs in the background.
When the supermarket discovered the extra pictures an artist added, it declined the order of 5,000 tins.
Helen Carless, managing director of Lawrences Auction House, said: "Sex sells even in the world of biscuit tin collectors.
"The demand was there because you can't get anything like this now. It is totally individual and completely different from other biscuit tins."
The tin fetched three times the amount of similar pieces in the sale.
The tin sold for 423 pounds!
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