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Note: This thread formerly titled, "Are all liberals assholes... or is it just these guys?" has been renamed in responce to a direct order from the ACLU.
GIRL CRIES AFTER BUSH/CHENEY SIGN RIPPED BY THUGS...
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"She was crying; they were pushing and shoving her," said Mr. Parlock, a Huntington real estate agent. "She was scared." 
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They attacked the police the GOP convention.
Now they are attacking little kids.
Great bunch of people the Kerry supporters are.
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Great bunch of people the Kerry supporters are.
You know better than to make broad generalizations. I am a Kerry supporter and I have attacked no one.
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Now they are attacking little kids.
If the guy on the left is the guy that did it, then, yes, he should be ashamed. Certainly makes him appear ill-mannered and boorish. Doesn't mean all Kerry supporters are the same or even similiar. Let's keep the rhetoric down to at least reasonable, shall we?
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Generalizations that are recognized as "generalizations" (*that is, acknowledged as having exceptions to the rule such as yourself) but still based on a consistent set of behaviors are not per se wrong.
Nationwide and with some regularity:
We have Kerry supporters attacking the police.
We have Kerry supporters attacking little kids
We have Kerry supporters stealing pro-Bush signs.
At some point we have to ask if a significant portion of Kerry's support isn't coming from, well, jerks.
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Generalizations that are recognized as "generalizations" (*that is, acknowledged as having exceptions to the rule such as yourself) but still based on a consistent set of behaviors are not per se wrong.
Nationwide and with some regularity:
We have Kerry supporters attacking the police.
We have Kerry supporters attacking little kids
We have Kerry supporters stealing pro-Bush signs.
At some point we have to ask if a significant portion of Kerry's support isn't coming from, well, jerks.
Geez, I expected better of you, G-man.
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Fact of the matter, the attackers were Kerry supporters. I realise it is a generalisation and the title of the thread WAS tounge and cheek, but one thing I've noticed (and many others have noticed) is for the left one of the primary issues of this election is "hate". You hear alot more I hate Bush than I love Kerry. In Seattle almost every house I've seen with Bush sighns have been vandalised, one spray painted with "Fuck Bush" A man here locally was beaten up for suporting the president with a sign. If you read the story, after the thugs started in the rest of the Kerry supporters joined in, even in the picture you see they guy acctually taunting the kid and the rest of the Kerry supporters yelling at the kid and her father rather than the asshole who accosted her. I've been to Bush rallies and I can assure you if someone accosted a kid regardless of what sighn they were carrying, they would get thier ass handed to them, infact even when adults show up they usually ignore them or talk to them, untill of course they start yelling profanity at them. I think that many (not all) Kerry supporters are so overcome with thier hatred of Bush that they lose site of common sense and how you're suposed to treat ohter human beings.... what's the word...... oh yea tollerance 
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Generalizations that are recognized as "generalizations" (*that is, acknowledged as having exceptions to the rule such as yourself) but still based on a consistent set of behaviors are not per se wrong.
Nationwide and with some regularity:
We have Kerry supporters attacking the police.
We have Kerry supporters attacking little kids
We have Kerry supporters stealing pro-Bush signs.
At some point we have to ask if a significant portion of Kerry's support isn't coming from, well, jerks.
Geez, I expected better of you, G-man.
Yea, after all you ARE a Bush supporter.
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There are assholes (it's one word, btw, and Rob's banner is just one Big Ass Error) on both sides of the fence.
And don't bitch and moan about the bad stuff said about conservatives or say the conservatives on this board never bash liberals when you start threads like this. "Are all liberals ass holes?" lends itself toward a very big generalization, a very negative one at that. This ain't Jeopardy, and putting it in the form of a question doesn't make a difference. And neither does calling it tongue-in-cheek. I could call every comment made about conservatives tongue-in-cheek.
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Yea, after all you ARE a Bush supporter.
I'm talking about the gross generalizations and logic errors made in G-man's statement.
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Gee, I hate to add fule to the fire, but here'a another ass-hole. Kerry supporter arrested in campaign-fueled air rage case... Quote:
Husar boarded Flight 849 in Minneapolis on his way from New York to visit some friends in Alaska, his wife, Linda, said yesterday. Officials said Husar, a supporter of Sen. John Kerry, was engaged in a discussion on the upcoming presidential election with a woman seated next to him - a President George W. Bush supporter - when she became turned off by his belligerent attitude and complained to the flight staff.
The woman also did not like that Husar would touch her leg and shoulder when he spoke to her, authorities said. Corona said Husar had "had a few drinks."
Russell Ridd, supervising senior crown attorney for the Manitoba Justice Department, said that when flight attendants approached Husar, he became enraged, deliberately spilling a container of alcohol and engaging in "the boisterous behavior of a drunk."
Ridd said the pilot deemed the situation "a minor emergency" and called for an abrupt landing. An armed marshal sat next to Husar until the plane reached a Winnipeg airport, where Husar was kicked off and promptly arrested.
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Even if it was a Kerry sign that was ripped this picture would remain pretty fuckin funny.
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There are assholes (it's one word, btw, and Rob's banner is just one Big Ass Error) on both sides of the fence.
And don't bitch and moan about the bad stuff said about conservatives or say the conservatives on this board never bash liberals when you start threads like this. "Are all liberals ass holes?" lends itself toward a very big generalization, a very negative one at that. This ain't Jeopardy, and putting it in the form of a question doesn't make a difference. And neither does calling it tongue-in-cheek. I could call every comment made about conservatives tongue-in-cheek.
There are assholes on both sides of the fence, but as I mentioned in an earlier post it's been my observation that one side is CLEARLY more hostile than the other and getting upsett because a generalisation is made doesn't make the generalisation untrue. You may be offended by my pointing out acts of hostility towards conservitives, but I've experienced it first hand. I'm in now way a victim, but I don't like the overt hostility directed towards me and people who share my politics. I'll say that MOST liberals aren't assholes, but they do seem to look the other way durring this capaign. Even you, who I consider to be one of the most reasonable posters on this board (liberal OR conservitive) seem more offended that I mentioned a Kerry supporter bullied a child than you are over the acctual act. And there IS a huge difference between asking a question and making a statement. That distiction isn't exclusive to Jeapordy. If anything it's an invitation to distance the cause from the offence, but that's onot what happened. Instead I got.... "there are conservitive assholes too." well I haven't heard about any bullying kids.
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Even if it was a Kerry sign that was ripped this picture would remain pretty fuckin funny.
See, Wednesday, I told you so.
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At some point we have to ask if a significant portion of Kerry's support isn't coming from, well, jerks.
You may ask this all you wish.
But you could look at this kind of behavior as coming from people so fucking fed up with the current Administration that they're reduced to behaving badly.
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one thing I've noticed (and many others have noticed) is for the left one of the primary issues of this election is "hate". You hear alot more I hate Bush than I love Kerry.
I have noticed as well that this election, more than any other I can recall in my lifetime of near 40 years is that there are 3 factions going on.
1. Pro Bush
2. Pro Kerry
3. Anybody but Bush (the "I hate Bush" crowd)
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At some point we have to ask if a significant portion of Kerry's support isn't coming from, well, jerks.
You may ask this all you wish.
But you could look at this kind of behavior as coming from people so fucking fed up with the current Administration that they're reduced to behaving badly.
Translation: It's Bush's fault.
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At some point we have to ask if a significant portion of Kerry's support isn't coming from, well, jerks.
You may ask this all you wish.
But you could look at this kind of behavior as coming from people so fucking fed up with the current Administration that they're reduced to behaving badly.
Translation: It's Bush's fault.
No. Translation: They're fucking fed up with Bush that they'd even rip a sign of a toddler's hands (though I gotta ask what her dad was thinking if he sensed the vibe was bad, and if he did sense it, his job as a responsible parent is to get his kid outta there).
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In the picture, you can see one of the painters union guys has a piece of one of my signs in his hand."
Wow, you mean a Union asshole/lemming did this?
 Now there's a shock.
That guy's lucky he didn't get his ass beat right on the spot.
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[I gotta ask what her dad was thinking if he sensed the vibe was bad, and if he did sense it, his job as a responsible parent is to get his kid outta there.
Blaming the victim?
How very...unliberal.
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At some point we have to ask if a significant portion of Kerry's support isn't coming from, well, jerks.
You may ask this all you wish.
But you could look at this kind of behavior as coming from people so fucking fed up with the current Administration that they're reduced to behaving badly.
Translation: It's Bush's fault.
No. Translation: They're fucking fed up with Bush that they'd even rip a sign of a toddler's hands (though I gotta ask what her dad was thinking if he sensed the vibe was bad, and if he did sense it, his job as a responsible parent is to get his kid outta there).
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I have no idea how to respond to that. I've been fed up with alot of things, but never enough to bully a kid.
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They're fucking fed up with Bush that they'd even rip a sign of a toddler's hands
Maybe even more fed up than that.
One liberal columnist fears mass suicide if President Bush wins re-election:
It's not hard to imagine that on November 3rd there might be a sort of grim mass exodus from this sad planet should Bush pull this election out. My generation may be particularly vulnerable to the urge to lay back in a warm bath and open up their veins as chants of "Four More Years" echo horribly from every 24 hour cable news station.
Maybe we should put some of the posters here on suicide watch?
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Wow, you mean a Union asshole/lemming did this?
Now there's a shock.
That guy's lucky he didn't get his ass beat right on the spot.
Makes you woder why he wasn't.
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There are assholes on both sides of the fence, but as I mentioned in an earlier post it's been my observation that one side is CLEARLY more hostile than the other and getting upsett because a generalisation is made doesn't make the generalisation untrue.
That's an observation that I really can't argue for or against. The only thing I can say is that as a liberal I've observed much more conservative assholeness. I'll be the first to point out, though, that it's more than likely that it's because that's the side that would send its hostility in my direction. A lot easier to see it when it's coming at you than when it's going the other way.
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You may be offended by my pointing out acts of hostility towards conservitives, but I've experienced it first hand. I'm in now way a victim, but I don't like the overt hostility directed towards me and people who share my politics.
I'm not offended by you pointing it out. If anything, it's a news item like anything else. I myself have posted news articles in which liberals came out looking like assholes (in the RNC thread).
What I'm pointing out isn't the news article, but the thread title. Though that still doesn't offend me personally, it is an attack, in my view.
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I'll say that MOST liberals aren't assholes
Then I'll assume that your thread title was in jest, but I hope you see why many of us wouldn't laugh
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but they do seem to look the other way durring this capaign. Even you, who I consider to be one of the most reasonable posters on this board (liberal OR conservitive) seem more offended that I mentioned a Kerry supporter bullied a child than you are over the acctual act.
Thanks. But I'm not looking the other way, either. Once you posted it, I started scanning through the internet so I could make a valid judgment about what happened. From your article, I'd say he's definitely an asshole, A BIG TIME ASSHOLE, but I'd like to know more before I conclude anything, since articles like this tend to be askewed.
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And there IS a huge difference between asking a question and making a statement. That distiction isn't exclusive to Jeapordy. If anything it's an invitation to distance the cause from the offence, but that's onot what happened. Instead I got.... "there are conservitive assholes too." well I haven't heard about any bullying kids.
Not in the sense that I'm speaking about. Asking if all black people are stupid can be just as offensive as stating it. If you don't believe me, ask that question to one hundred black people and get back to me with your results.
I don't really feel the need to distance myself from this offense. I'd hope the 3300+ posts I've made before this would do that for me.
Lastly, I figured my comment about there being conservative assholes too was an admission that there are liberal assholes. Let me make that point clear:
There are liberal ashholes. There are conservative assholes. I don't care if you're a liberal or a conservative, I won't think any more or less of your for it. JUST DON'T BE AN ASSHOLE.
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Even if it was a Kerry sign that was ripped this picture would remain pretty fuckin funny.
See, Wednesday, I told you so.
You're " " warms my heart wbam.
I'm a proud to have liberal/libertarian beliefs.
I'm also a proud asshole.
But neither are unequivocally in any way a result of the other.
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That's an observation that I really can't argue for or against. The only thing I can say is that as a liberal I've observed much more conservative assholeness. I'll be the first to point out, though, that it's more than likely that it's because that's the side that would send its hostility in my direction. A lot easier to see it when it's coming at you than when it's going the other way.
My frustration comes from the fact that on my street (96th Ave W in Edmonds WA) There are 6 houses in 3 blocks with Kerry signs, all of them unmolested, one house put up a Bush sign and was proptlly vadalised. Even before that happened my wife wouldn't let me put a Bush sticker on our Mini, because she was afraid it would get vandalised, turns out she was probobly right. i even argued at the time that no one would damage our car just because it had a Bush sticker... boy is there egg on my face. Keep in mid that unlike Seattle itself Edmonds isn't even primarily Democrat, it's about 50-50 perhaps even leaning conservitive.
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Then I'll assume that your thread title was in jest, but I hope you see why many of us wouldn't laugh
Acctually it was less in jest and more a halenge in the Socratic tradition.
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Not in the sense that I'm speaking about. Asking if all black people are stupid can be just as offensive as stating it. If you don't believe me, ask that question to one hundred black people and get back to me with your results.
You'd be surprised what I've asked people and gotten very reasonable answers. I usually have really good conversations with liberals, however I haven't really stuck up many conversations with strangers in the past many months. The rhetoric has gotten so hostile I've just been leaving it alone.
but I guess thier just fed up with the administration.
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Even if it was a Kerry sign that was ripped this picture would remain pretty fuckin funny.
See, Wednesday, I told you so.
You're " " warms my heart wbam.
I'm a proud libertarian.
I'm also a proud asshole.
But neither are unequivocally in any way a result of the other.
Don't get me started on Libertarians
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Maybe we should put some of the posters here on suicide watch?
Although you couldn't possibly have known this, my father died by his own hand.
IOW, this remark and the smirk that follows it are utterly tasteless.
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Don't get me started on Libertarians
I don't think anyone ever wants to see you getting started on anything. Even your teammates think you're weak.
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At some point we have to ask if a significant portion of Kerry's support isn't coming from, well, jerks.
You may ask this all you wish.
But you could look at this kind of behavior as coming from people so fucking fed up with the current Administration that they're reduced to behaving badly.
Translation: It's Bush's fault.
No. Translation: They're fucking fed up with Bush that they'd even rip a sign of a toddler's hands (though I gotta ask what her dad was thinking if he sensed the vibe was bad, and if he did sense it, his job as a responsible parent is to get his kid outta there).
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I have no idea how to respond to that. I've been fed up with alot of things, but never enough to bully a kid.
Neither have I.
I simply offer it as one kind of example.
Social psychology tells us that people in groups often behave in less socially acceptable ways, and in ways they NEVER would when alone. Mob behavior, Kitty Genovese being allowed to bleed to death...human history is replete with examples of people behaving badly in social situations.
I'm guessing there's more to this story than just a Kerry supporting ripping a sign out of a little girl's hands.
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Don't get me started on Libertarians
I don't think anyone ever wants to see you getting started on anything. Even your teammates think you're weak.
Dang, where did the personal flame come from? I appologise for making a joke, I guess I'll save those for people who don't respond like assholes... and my team-mates? I didn't realise there was a team, but please show me where my "team-mates" railed against me, because honestly if I'm hurting thier cause I'll gladly bow out.
P.S. What did I do to you?
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Hey, fused don't speak for MY team. WBaM is a welcome member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. (By the way WBaM, did you get your coded message for today from karl Rove yet? It's a doozy)
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Neither have I.
I simply offer it as one kind of example.
OK, i understand, but just so you know where I'm coming from, i don't think the "reason why" is usually an issue after the fact, only in regards to prevention. I mean people have "reasons" for doing all sorts of things, Like molesting kids or being cruel to animals or murder or rape, frankly I don't care, because there is no excuse for such behaviour, reasons are fine, but immaterial and there are never excuses.
Putting the "fun" back in Fundamentalist Christian Dogma.
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Hey, fused don't speak for MY team.
WBaM is a welcome member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.
(By the way WBaM, did you get your coded message for today from karl Rove yet? It's a doozy)
Yea if my team thought I was weak, why would they fax me the talking points?
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one thing I've noticed (and many others have noticed) is for the left one of the primary issues of this election is "hate". You hear alot more I hate Bush than I love Kerry.
I have noticed as well that this election, more than any other I can recall in my lifetime of near 40 years is that there are 3 factions going on.
1. Pro Bush
2. Pro Kerry
3. Anybody but Bush (the "I hate Bush" crowd)
Are there really many Pro Kerry people out there? Honestly, I personally haven't met any from that group. Everyone I've talked to who says they are voting Kerry is basically anti-Bush. I've met many Democrats who aren't happy with Kerry as a candidate, but they also don't want Bush in office anymore and are giving Kerry their vote.
And, yes, there is a lot of hate coming out in this election. It's coming from both sides, but I've noticed a bit more coming from the anti-Bush people (notice I didn't say Democrats or liberals). Republicans generally hated Clinton, but I don't remember any fights coming out of that. There were a lot of heavy arguements and debates, but the most violence or vandalism I saw during that was the sign on the bridge crossing into Arkansas as being Clinton's home state being full of buckshot. Hell, citizens had just as much a reason to not like Clinton as they did Bush; but I never saw it at this level. Where did all this hate come from?
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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Don't get me started on Libertarians
I don't think anyone ever wants to see you getting started on anything. Even your teammates think you're weak.
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Are there really many Pro Kerry people out there? Honestly, I personally haven't met any from that group. Everyone I've talked to who says they are voting Kerry is basically anti-Bush. I've met many Democrats who aren't happy with Kerry as a candidate, but they also don't want Bush in office anymore and are giving Kerry their vote.
Many I've met are anti-Bush AND pro-Kerry.
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Are there really many Pro Kerry people out there? Honestly, I personally haven't met any from that group.
But they are out there.
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I've said quite a few times that I'm pro-Kerry.
BTW, where do you guys draw the line between someone being pro-Kerry and someone being anti-Bush? If someone's supporting another candidate besides Bush, does that make them automatically anti-Bush, or does it depend on how much they dislike/hate Bush, or how much they like Kerry or Nader, or what?
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