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An interesting point about "The Daily Show" is that despite it's obvious leanings, Jon Stewart often has many prominent Republicans and conservatives as guests, and even though he pokes fun at them a bit, he treats them with respect and conducts real interviews with them, just like he does with liberal and Democratic guests. He doesn't treat them like they're stupid, or belittle them in any way. As irreverent as he can be (for lack of a better word), he's not an attack dog or anything like that.
His Republican/conservative guests have included Bernard Goldblum, Sean Hannity, Ed Gillespe, and Bush's campaign manager whose name I can't recall.
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I guess I've just never really seen the Daily Show as a "news" show. I've always seen it as a satirical show, that shows primarily the most humorous recent events, simply to make fun of them. That's not to say it never has anything to contribute politically. As mentioned, Jon Stewart does a very good job with his guests, in what is often the most informative and insightful portion of the show. However, I've never watched the Daily Show to get my news. I watch it to laugh(which I do, a lot).
The O'Reily Factor actually tries to be a legitimate news show(with an obvious conservative spin, of course), doesn't it? Admittedly, I've only seen about five minutes of a few shows. If such is the case, I think comparing the two really serves no purpose.
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An interesting point about "The Daily Show" is that despite it's obvious leanings, Jon Stewart often has many prominent Republicans and conservatives as guests, and even though he pokes fun at them a bit, he treats them with respect and conducts real interviews with them, just like he does with liberal and Democratic guests. He doesn't treat them like they're stupid, or belittle them in any way. As irreverent as he can be (for lack of a better word), he's not an attack dog or anything like that.
Considering the people involved and the fact that he wouldn't want to get his ass handed to him in the form of his disembodied career, I think it's safe to say that.....He has to.
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"His disembodied career?" He's the host of a highly rated, Emmy Award-winning cable TV series. Yeah, his career is definitely in the shitter.
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he's also regularly courted by the networks for late night talk show slots
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"His disembodied career?" He's the host of a highly rated, Emmy Award-winning cable TV series. Yeah, his career is definitely in the shitter.
I meant, they'd screw him over. They'd disembody for him.
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Not necessarily. There are plenty of prominent talk show hosts who belittle their guests, yet still get high ratings.
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david letterman made his name by making guest that tried to coast through an interview squirm, yet they always came back.....
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Not necessarily. There are plenty of prominent talk show hosts who belittle their guests, yet still get high ratings.
Ratings wasn't what I meant.
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An interesting point about "The Daily Show" is that despite it's obvious leanings, Jon Stewart often has many prominent Republicans and conservatives as guests, and even though he pokes fun at them a bit, he treats them with respect and conducts real interviews with them, just like he does with liberal and Democratic guests. He doesn't treat them like they're stupid, or belittle them in any way.
So him interrupting Bush's Campaign Spokesman to throw out insults at Bush's policies is treating that guest with respect or not belittleing them? Too much lately, he's giving people who bash Bush room and even helps. Those who try to explain a viewpoint that supports Bush get interrupted with barbs to demean their viewpoint. I think Stewart's funny, but I hate the fact that the show's seemed to taken a bitter political turn.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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His Republican/conservative guests have included Bernard Goldblum, Sean Hannity, Ed Gillespe, and Bush's campaign manager whose name I can't recall.
...and Pat Buchanan. 
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So him interrupting Bush's Campaign Spokesman to throw out insults at Bush's policies is treating that guest with respect or not belittleing them? Too much lately, he's giving people who bash Bush room and even helps. Those who try to explain a viewpoint that supports Bush get interrupted with barbs to demean their viewpoint. I think Stewart's funny, but I hate the fact that the show's seemed to taken a bitter political turn.
I was rather annoyed that he had Dick Clarke on last week and just as Clarke was ready to make a point, Stewart would constantly and repeatedly inturrupt him in order to make a wisecrack and then immediately ask a question completely unrelated to the point Clarke was just about to make before he was cut off.
I don't think he was trying to silence him or anything. I just think that in his pursuit of entertainment and a laugh, sometimes he's just a poor interviewer.
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If you'd have seen this interview, you'd notice that his barbs were direct attacks at Bush and his policies while the Spokesman was trying to explain the Adminstration's rationale for those policies.
I liked the Daily Show more when it had less of a political focus and just made fun of everything.
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The show is on Comedy Central, people!
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If you'd have seen this interview, you'd notice that his barbs were direct attacks at Bush and his policies while the Spokesman was trying to explain the Adminstration's rationale for those policies.
I liked the Daily Show more when it had less of a political focus and just made fun of everything.
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Anyone see last nights episode? He made fun of the report mentioned in this thread.
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The show is on Comedy Central, people!
Which has been my point. It should be about being funny and less political. I don't care what network you're on; when you have a high ranking political figure on your show and asking him politically charged and serious questions, you need to conduct yourself in a different manner than having the latest Hollywood Blockbuster star coming in to talk about his latest movie. Stewart fails at that, especially when someone is backing a political opinion he doesn't like.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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The show is on Comedy Central, people!
Which has been my point. It should be about being funny and less political. I don't care what network you're on; when you have a high ranking political figure on your show and asking him politically charged and serious questions, you need to conduct yourself in a different manner than having the latest Hollywood Blockbuster star coming in to talk about his latest movie.
Like I said, aside from the jokes and the jabs, he's usually pretty respectful to his guests, even guests he doesn't agree with, from what I've observed. All the Republicans and conservatives I mentioned appearing on his show were well-received (certainly better that they'd be by someone more confrontational). And even people he does agree with aren't spared the comedic jabs. So what should he do differently?
Also, Stewart has stated that he gets increasingly frustrated when the media doesn't challenge the people in power, so he may be trying to ask the questions or make the points that real media isn't making when he has the chance to talk to the right people face to face. (This is just speculation on my part.)
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I haven't gotten that impression.
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An interesting point about "The Daily Show" is that despite it's obvious leanings, Jon Stewart often has many prominent Republicans and conservatives as guests, and even though he pokes fun at them a bit, he treats them with respect and conducts real interviews with them, just like he does with liberal and Democratic guests. He doesn't treat them like they're stupid, or belittle them in any way.
So him interrupting Bush's Campaign Spokesman to throw out insults at Bush's policies is treating that guest with respect or not belittleing them?
What did he say that you thought was insulting? He wasn't throwing out insults (not that I can recall, anyway).
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Too much lately, he's giving people who bash Bush room and even helps. Those who try to explain a viewpoint that supports Bush get interrupted with barbs to demean their viewpoint.
I don't agree. Yes, he's had Bush bahsers on his show, and yes, he's mocked Bush (and he can be rather harsh when he wants to be). But to his credit, Stewart's given plenty of time to Bush supporters, and he lets them get their message out there. He doesn't keep it a secret that he doesn't agree with them, but he doesn't bully them like Bill O'Rielly or Al Franken. There's nothing malicious behind it.
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I think Stewart's funny, but I hate the fact that the show's seemed to taken a bitter political turn.
The show's always dealt with politics. Politicians deserve to be made fun of more than anyone else. There's never been anything bitter about "The Daily Show's" humor. Al Franken and Michael Moore are bitter towards the Bush administration. Jon Stewart is merely irreverent at worst.
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He doesn't keep it a secret that he doesn't agree with them, but he doesn't bully them like Bill O'Rielly or Al Franken. There's nothing malicious behind it.
Al Franken and Bill O'Reilly are at least open about their stances in all of their convos. What Stewart does is makes it sound like he's talking to a five year old with a barrage of "uh huhs" and the usual wear and tear of questions that make sure to keep his credibility safe by not offending the person he's talking to.
He's condescending, and that's much worse than a raised voice.
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Will you please stay in the personal attack forum? No one gives a shit about unfunny cartoons.
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He doesn't keep it a secret that he doesn't agree with them, but he doesn't bully them like Bill O'Rielly or Al Franken. There's nothing malicious behind it.
Al Franken and Bill O'Reilly are at least open about their stances in all of their convos. What Stewart does is makes it sound like he's talking to a five year old with a barrage of "uh huhs" and the usual wear and tear of questions that make sure to keep his credibility safe by not offending the person he's talking to.
He's condescending, and that's much worse than a raised voice.
O'Reilly is condescending, too. The only difference is, O'Reilly works for a TV station that presents itself as a balanced and fair news channel, and Stewart works for Comedy Central.
Plus, Stewart is more often self-depricating than condescending.
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 Yeah he was on a show like crossfire one time and one of those idiots yelled at Stewart saying that he had a responsibility on how he reported. Stewart retorted that he had to do nothing and forced him to consider that his time slot was blocked against a show where puppets made prank phone calls. I think I shot whatever I was drinking out of my nose.
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Being on Comedy Central has become a cover for the Daily Show producers. You saw how quick they were to throw out a report saying their viewers are more educated after O'Reilly made a joke on his show. I think they want to be seen as the cutting edge, breaking the system show without any of the responsibility. The more serious guests they get, and the more serious they treat those guests, the weaker this argument becomes. When they stop taking themselves so seriously, then they can start using that excuse again.
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They were defending their viewers, whom O'Reilly had publically insulted. They weren't defending the seriousness of their programming(at least, not in this case). If your fanbase was attacked, wouldn't you defend them?
I think when any cult show starts to climb into mainstream consciousness, it's inevitable that they're going to start thinking of themselves on a higher level than they did before. It's unavoidable. That being said, as an avid fan of the show, I don't think their agenda has changed at all in the last four or five years. They do have a slightly leftist slant(a fact they don't hide, and infact make fun of), but there's clearly no punches pulled. They'll satirize anything and everything worth satirizing, and they usually do it extraordinarily well.
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They were defending their own pride. O'Reilly said it as a joke, and Stewart said he took it as a joke. If a show that's main defence is that it's scheduled next to Crank Yankers can't take a joke, what does that say about them? They were being the dicks that they made everyone else out to be.
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I guess I don't read that much into it. O'Reilly(not exactly known for his sense of humor) insulted a show's fanbase, perhaps jokingly. Comedy Central was defending them.
If O'Reilly had made a joke like "The Daily Show has no integrity" or something to that extent, and Comedy Central had launched into a defensive mode just to prove they did, then I might agree with what you're saying.
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O'Reilly is condescending, too.
O'Reilly's condescension is followed by absolutes. Stewart follows his with softball retorts that he knows will generate answers he won't agree with and will just trash during later shows.
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The only difference is, O'Reilly works for a TV station that presents itself as a balanced and fair news channel, and Stewart works for Comedy Central.
Are you saying that the satire programs of Comedy Central don't present themselves to be "balanced and fair"?
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I guess I don't read that much into it. O'Reilly(not exactly known for his sense of humor) insulted a show's fanbase, perhaps jokingly. Comedy Central was defending them.
Actually, O'Reilly is known to joke with many of his guests. Especially those from the entertainment industry.
Secondly, Comedy Central didn't do dick. The Daily Show producers scrambled to get that article out. They didn't make a joke about it, O'Reilly, or his audience. They used a serious study to try and prop themselves up. Like I said, this is a show that is supposed to excell in humor, yet they can't take a joke themselves. Maybe O'Reilly made them mad by encroaching on their territory of calling their own fans stoners, slackers, and 30 year-old virgins.
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