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Or are you paid by the post?
$3.50
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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And it's called building suspense, asshole. 
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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But, in all seriousness, to claim people who wave or support the Stars and Bars support slavery in any form is not true. Most Southerners who wave the flag see it not as a symbol of oppression but of defiance. They take pride in the term Rebel and see it as a link to their ancestors who decided not to take shit from the northern states. The majority of the Confederates who died in the Civil War were not slave owners, nor did they have any chance of becoming slave owners. They were fighting against the people who profited most from slavery and yet would try to seem morally superior an entire region that fueled their own bank accounts. Secession was the cause of the Civil War and the ideal that the men on the ground were fighting about on both sides. (I will never call into question the fact that slavery led to secession. I'm just saying that's not why the fighting started.) It's revisionist history bullshit that depicts the Northern soldiers as fighting to free the slaves and the Southerners fighting to keep them in chains.
Basically, what I'm saying is that if you brand everyone who has or supports the Confederate flag as in some way, no matter how minor, as supporting slavery, then you would have to brand everyone who salutes the US flag as supporting the same slavery as well as the genocide of the Native Americans.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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I remember when liberal singer Tom Petty used to have a giant confederate flag on stage while he sang "I was born a rebel."
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You dipshit!
You're supposed to pronounce it "tree-fitty".
Now you've ruined Miller Time.
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You know, words can cause black eyes too.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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$3.50
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You must have better union.
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But, in all seriousness, to claim people who wave or support the Stars and Bars support slavery in any form is not true.
Well, like I said:
"The Confederate flag might not inherently support slavery, but.....in my opinion, the flag does inherently show tolerance of slavery, which isn't much better."
So I'd say there's a difference between "supporting" and "tolerating." I understand that not all Southerners were slave owners, and I certainly am aware that the Civil War had a lot less to do with slavery than some might want to think. I just think that when you(generally, I mean) brandish a symbol as recognizable as the Confederate Flag, you have to understand what that symbol stands for, and one of the things(not the only thing, but one of the things) the Confederate Flag stood for was slavery. That was something the Confederate Army was fighting for.
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But, in all seriousness, to claim people who wave or support the Stars and Bars support slavery in any form is not true.
Well, like I said:
"The Confederate flag might not inherently support slavery, but.....in my opinion, the flag does inherently show tolerance of slavery, which isn't much better."
So I'd say there's a difference between "supporting" and "tolerating." I understand that not all Southerners were slave owners, and I certainly am aware that the Civil War had a lot less to do with slavery than some might want to think. I just think that when you(generally, I mean) brandish a symbol as recognizable as the Confederate Flag, you have to understand what that symbol stands for, and one of the things(not the only thing, but one of the things) the Confederate Flag stood for was slavery. That was something the Confederate Army was fighting for.
I agree with you on teh flag issue (but for different reasons), but I think it's hard to assign motive to everyone who supports it. To say that the confederate flag is ALWAYSE tollerant of slavery is like saying the Japanese flag is a sighn of emperialism, genocide and suicide attacks.
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So I'd say there's a difference between "supporting" and "tolerating." I understand that not all Southerners were slave owners, and I certainly am aware that the Civil War had a lot less to do with slavery than some might want to think. I just think that when you(generally, I mean) brandish a symbol as recognizable as the Confederate Flag, you have to understand what that symbol stands for, and one of the things(not the only thing, but one of the things) the Confederate Flag stood for was slavery. That was something the Confederate Army was fighting for.
Then I guess we can never show the Stars and Stripes ever again, either. Cuz it'd stand for the same thing. The stigma of racism was not attatched to the Confederate flag until the KKK began waving it in the mid to late 30's. Before and during that time, they always waved the US flag. They also use the cross. Should we stop allowing churches to put those on the bell towers and front lawns?
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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I agree with you on teh flag issue (but for different reasons), but I think it's hard to assign motive to everyone who supports it. To say that the confederate flag is ALWAYSE tollerant of slavery is like saying the Japanese flag is a sighn of emperialism, genocide and suicide attacks.
Well, the Confederacy wasn't around as long as the Japanese empire has been.
Also, I think it's a bit different between slavery and suicide attacks(or the relocation of Native Americans, as doc referenced with the American flag). One is a specific tactic or strategy, one is an ideal or institution that is a primary part of the establishment.
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Then I guess we can never show the Stars and Stripes ever again, either. Cuz it'd stand for the same thing.
Perhaps it once did, but it doesn't anymore.
As for racism, that's a bit trickier. I should say that I do think it's unfair for people to say the Confederate flag somehow equates racism. That's a bit different.
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On the confederate flag:
I can tolerate it.
And I used to think that people who complained of it being a symbol of slavery and racism were totally off base.
Then I got thinking.
Certain symbols, for one reason or another, take on a meaning that becomes just too damn universal to ignore.
For example, the Roman salute, the outstretched right arm, was once so common that people in America used to use it to pledge allegience to the US flag.
Then came Nazi Germany.
The roman salute became so synonomous with Heil Hitler that no one can use without too many people thinking of Nazism
Now, someone COULD argue they don't mean to imply Nazism if they use it. They could argue about its long history in the world, including in the US, and factually they would be correct.
But sometimes things become too much a symbol of ONE thing.
And I think that may be the case with the Confederate flag.
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