|
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 10,081
... 10000+ posts
|
OP
... 10000+ posts
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 10,081 |
Quote:
Dave said:
Go on then, ruin my joke.
Done and done.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
|
|
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1 |
Bastard.
Q: What does "SUE" stand for in the name "Sue Dibny"?
A: "Seared in Unintelligible Elongated man story"
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 10,081
... 10000+ posts
|
|
OP
... 10000+ posts
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 10,081 |
Quote:
Dave said:
Bastard.
You rang? 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
|
|
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1 |
Q: What is tall, frothy, and sold in the Starbucks on Apokolips?
A: Double Mochachino with Sue Dibney sprinkles.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 10,081
... 10000+ posts
|
|
OP
... 10000+ posts
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 10,081 |
Quote:
Dave said:
...Sue Dibney sprinkles.
Dave... what did we talk about? 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
|
|
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1 |
....fuck!
Q: What new superpower did Sue Dibny get in Identity Crisis?
A: The ability to slowly melt marshmellows.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 19,546 Likes: 1
living in 1962 15000+ posts
|
|
living in 1962 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 19,546 Likes: 1 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
|
|
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1 |
I flipped thorugh IC 6 today in the store. Batman's sequence of deduction didn't make much sense to me, but the sheer gall in wiping his memory was incredible - not just the characters, but DC's editors in allowing this. I guess with what has happened in War Games, it makes sense that Batman is going to be totally alone, isolated even from his peers in the JLA.
My guess is that we get to see the Atom on the run next issue, and possibly the full potential of what someone who can shrink can do. Will the Atom pop in someone's head, and expand to full size? I can't see Jean Loring being responsible - she doesn't have the same motive.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 259
Goddess of the Universe 200+ posts
|
|
Goddess of the Universe 200+ posts
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 259 |
Editors? What editors?!? You mean those guys hiding under their desks, refusing to do their job?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 10,081
... 10000+ posts
|
|
OP
... 10000+ posts
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 10,081 |
You don't like it, don't read it. No one's twisting your arm...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 24,593
Timelord. Drunkard. 15000+ posts
|
|
Timelord. Drunkard. 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 24,593 |
Is she what Bendis refers to as a dickbag?
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 12,353
Award-Winning Author 10000+ posts
|
|
Award-Winning Author 10000+ posts
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 12,353 |
Quote:
Dave said:
I can't see Jean Loring being responsible - she doesn't have the same motive.
What motive does the Atom have??
Knutreturns said: Spoken like the true Greatest RDCW Champ!
All hail King Snarf!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 33,385 Likes: 1
Regenerated 15000+ posts
|
|
Regenerated 15000+ posts
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 33,385 Likes: 1 |
Quote:
ShazamGrrl1 said:
Editors? What editors?!? You mean those guys hiding under their desks, refusing to do their job?
What are they "hiding" from? The incredible financial success of the IC series, or the rave reviews from every corner of the industry? The brilliance behind wanting to further and alter the existing relationships between the heroic community, or, breathing fresh air into dreary, tired villians?
 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 19,546 Likes: 1
living in 1962 15000+ posts
|
|
living in 1962 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 19,546 Likes: 1 |
Quote:
thedoctor said:
Is she what Bendis refers to as a dickbag?
Yes.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
|
|
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1 |
I have deep reservations about some of the content of IC, but at least I've taken to time to read it (if not buy it). Quote:
King Snarf said:
Quote:
Dave said:
I can't see Jean Loring being responsible - she doesn't have the same motive.
What motive does the Atom have??
Getting his wife and patents back.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,794 Likes: 3
Doog the MIGHTY 10000+ posts
|
|
Doog the MIGHTY 10000+ posts
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,794 Likes: 3 |
I thought she already signed them back to Ray in issue #1?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 12,353
Award-Winning Author 10000+ posts
|
|
Award-Winning Author 10000+ posts
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 12,353 |
She did! As for getting Jean back, there has to be an easier way than killing Sue, strangling Jean (the woman he's trying to get back) and making sure Jack Drake and Capt. Boomerang kill each other.
Knutreturns said: Spoken like the true Greatest RDCW Champ!
All hail King Snarf!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
|
|
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6 |
Quote:
King Snarf said:
As for getting Jean back, there has to be an easier way than killing Sue, strangling Jean (the woman he's trying to get back) and making sure Jack Drake and Capt. Boomerang kill each other.
Yeah, but that's assuming he isn't insane.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,794 Likes: 3
Doog the MIGHTY 10000+ posts
|
|
Doog the MIGHTY 10000+ posts
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,794 Likes: 3 |
I still say this ties into the black market somehow. I don't think Meltzer would just throw that one in for no reason.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 12,353
Award-Winning Author 10000+ posts
|
|
Award-Winning Author 10000+ posts
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 12,353 |
Quote:
the G-man said:
Quote:
King Snarf said:
As for getting Jean back, there has to be an easier way than killing Sue, strangling Jean (the woman he's trying to get back) and making sure Jack Drake and Capt. Boomerang kill each other.
Yeah, but that's assuming he isn't insane.
But that doesn't strike me as where Meltzer's going with this. Having the bad guy being all "Mwa-ha-ha, I'm cuh-razy" just doesn't feel right with this series.
Knutreturns said: Spoken like the true Greatest RDCW Champ!
All hail King Snarf!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
|
|
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6 |
OTOH, the series keeps coming back to characters being mind wiped and how that messed with them more than the heroes thought.
It made Dr. Light a goofball. It (allegedly) made Batman slightly more paranoid.
What if Ray was mindwiped at some point and it made him crazier than they thought?
After all, constantly shrinking to a subatomic level could really eff a guy's brain up to being with.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 12,353
Award-Winning Author 10000+ posts
|
|
Award-Winning Author 10000+ posts
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 12,353 |
True, but the series also deals with wants, hopes, desires, and consequences. Like I said, it just doesn't sit well with me. Besides, if it were the Atom, it would cheapen the monologues the Atom gives in issues #2 & 4.
Knutreturns said: Spoken like the true Greatest RDCW Champ!
All hail King Snarf!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
|
|
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6 |
Getting back to the crazy Ray theory:
In the "Strange Case of Julian September" arc in JLA, Atom was asked how, when he was smaller than a light particle, could he see.
Atom replied that "the five senses become something else entirely at [the] quantum level...your mind's doing you a favor, processing [everything] into familiar visuals so you won't go insane."
So, and I'm just throwing this out, what if they mind wiped Ray in such a way at some point that it interfered with his mind's ability to process information as above.
He'd go insane.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 10,081
... 10000+ posts
|
|
OP
... 10000+ posts
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 10,081 |
Quote:
Stupid Dogg said:
I still say this ties into the black market somehow. I don't think Meltzer would just throw that one in for no reason.
I concur.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
|
|
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6 |
I need to dig out issue one and re-read it again, but after re-reading issue six today, I still think Ray's the killer.
On the last two pages where we see Jean and Ray discussing Sue's murder, Ray is in the other room, Jean can't see him, and he has the most malevolent grin on his face. Either Rags really screwed up drawing Ray's facial features (conveying evil glee when he meant to convey something else) or Ray is gloating over having murdered Sue and having gotten away with it.
That doesn't mean the stolen technology isn't somehow tied into it (I still think Ray's patents have something to do with this story) but Ray looks guilty as hell.
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
|
|
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6 |
BTW, for unintentionally creepy moments, the scene where Tim disrobes from his Robin costume prior to getting to his father was subtly disturbing.
Not only does it mean that Tim took the time to pull off his tights while his father was lying in a pool of his own blood, but we ended up with a full page panel of Batman clutching an underwear clad, crying, teenaged boy to his chest, and whispering "I've got you."
Somewhere, Dr. Wertham's ghost is screaming "See, Dammit, I TOLD you people...!!!"
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 19,546 Likes: 1
living in 1962 15000+ posts
|
|
living in 1962 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 19,546 Likes: 1 |
Heh! That scene even screwed with Meltzer's head: Quote:
Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 9:41 am:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, it's finally here -- issue 6 of Identity Crisis -- the one issue I was waiting so long to see print. You have any idea what it's like to sit on a secret for over a year?
So glad you're all reading and enjoying. The comments have meant such a great deal to us all. And when it comes to that splash page of Batman and Robin, I told Rags it's the best shot of the
whole book. Was one of only two times i looked at the page and got a chill, totally forgetting that i was working on the book. I told him to
have him embracing him in the shards of him uniform. I wanted him swallowed by his strength. But making Tim's one eye face the camera... That was all Rags. And the most unnerving moment in the whole series
for me.
One more to go...
Much love,
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
|
|
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1 |
Dear me. That hadn't occurred to me before.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
|
|
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6 |
Quote:
Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 9:41 am:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, it's finally here -- issue 6 of Identity Crisis -- the one issue I was waiting so long to see print. You have any idea what it's like to sit on a secret for over a year?
Hmmm...Note how Brad seems to be saying "whew, with issue six I no longer have a secret about who the killer is."
Since issue six hints that Ray is the killer, this quote would seem to be a confirmation that Ray is no red herring.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 19,546 Likes: 1
living in 1962 15000+ posts
|
|
living in 1962 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 19,546 Likes: 1 |
unless he's talking about something else, like the character deaths, or the League mindwiping Bats.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
|
|
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1 |
I agree with G-man - it seems that the Atom is in fact the culprit.
I also suspect the Atom will remain at large. Superman might be able to track him with his microscopic vision, but how else do you catch someone too small to lay your hands upon? Unless, I suppose, Zatanna says "Mota niager lamron thgieh".
Green Arrow is the protagonist in this story, and I also suspect we will see the Atom explain himself and his motives to GA.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
|
|
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1 |
Quote:
Grimm said:
unless he's talking about something else, like the character deaths, or the League mindwiping Bats.
You know, that's really quite something isn't it? They treated him as if he was like Dr Light.
Interesting too that Deathstroke can take out the same collection of people but Batman could not.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
|
|
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6 |
Quote:
Grimm said:
unless he's talking about something else, like the character deaths, or the League mindwiping Bats.
However, if that was the case, he could have made that comment about nearly every issue of the series, since nearly every issue had one surprise or another, from Sue's Death, to the mindwiping of Dr. Light, to the mindwiping of the entire Secret Society of Supervillains, to the son of Capt. Boomerang having speed, to the death of Jack Drake, to Batman being mindwiped, to...well, you get the idea.
BTW, notice the one hero who was deliberately decoyed with a false threat on his wife was Superman, coincidentally the one hero with...microscopic vision.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
|
|
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6 |
Quote:
Dave said:
Interesting too that Deathstroke can take out the same collection of people but Batman could not.
Well, Deathstroke had prep time, Batman didn't.
Which might be Brad's subtle way of explaining why the modern Batman is such a bug on having it.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 19,546 Likes: 1
living in 1962 15000+ posts
|
|
living in 1962 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 19,546 Likes: 1 |
Quote:
Dave said:
Quote:
Grimm said:
unless he's talking about something else, like the character deaths, or the League mindwiping Bats.
You know, that's really quite something isn't it? They treated him as if he was like Dr Light.
Interesting too that Deathstroke can take out the same collection of people but Batman could not.
To me, this is really the big moment of that issue. The revelation that they not only mindwiped one of their own, but the one that's often considered the best and most dangerous (especially post-Morrison). For me, this really works as his reason for moving away from the League for so long, and his ever growing paranoia and isolation from other capes. I really want to see the ramifications of this.
And as Pro and I are so fond of pointing out, Slade has taken down the Bat before.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 19,546 Likes: 1
living in 1962 15000+ posts
|
|
living in 1962 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 19,546 Likes: 1 |
Quote:
the G-man said:
Quote:
Grimm said:
unless he's talking about something else, like the character deaths, or the League mindwiping Bats.
However, if that was the case, he could have made that comment about nearly every issue of the series, since nearly every issue had one surprise or another, from Sue's Death, to the mindwiping of Dr. Light, to the mindwiping of the entire Secret Society of Supervillains, to the son of Capt. Boomerang having speed, to the death of Jack Drake, to Batman being mindwiped, to...well, you get the idea.
BTW, notice the one hero who was deliberately decoyed with a false threat on his wife was Superman, coincidentally the one hero with...microscopic vision.
Sure, he very well could've. But he's been swerving us all from the start, and I don't put it past him to be doing it again.
I hadn't picked up on the microscopic vision thing, but you're right. That works as either Ray or someone attempting to frame him.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 19,546 Likes: 1
living in 1962 15000+ posts
|
|
living in 1962 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 19,546 Likes: 1 |
Quote:
Dave said:
I agree with G-man - it seems that the Atom is in fact the culprit.
I also suspect the Atom will remain at large. Superman might be able to track him with his microscopic vision, but how else do you catch someone too small to lay your hands upon? Unless, I suppose, Zatanna says "Mota niager lamron thgieh".
Green Arrow is the protagonist in this story, and I also suspect we will see the Atom explain himself and his motives to GA.
He writes a damn good GA. Anybody read Archer's Quest? Well worth checking out.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
|
|
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1 |
Quote:
Grimm said:
Quote:
Dave said:
Quote:
Grimm said:
unless he's talking about something else, like the character deaths, or the League mindwiping Bats.
You know, that's really quite something isn't it? They treated him as if he was like Dr Light.
Interesting too that Deathstroke can take out the same collection of people but Batman could not.
To me, this is really the big moment of that issue. The revelation that they not only mindwiped one of their own, but the one that's often considered the best and most dangerous (especially post-Morrison). For me, this really works as his reason for moving away from the League for so long, and his ever growing paranoia and isolation from other capes. I really want to see the ramifications of this.
And as Pro and I are so fond of pointing out, Slade has taken down the Bat before.
True - he has the advanatge of superspeed and super strength.
One of the good things about this issue was the obvious panic and turmoil in the dialogue boxes while Bats was being mind-wiped. You couldn't tell who was saying what: only that there was confusion and fear in their voices as they realised they had crossed the line.
Intriguing that GA thinks Batman might have doen the same thing to the JLA.....
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 19,438 Likes: 8
brother from another mother 15000+ posts
|
|
brother from another mother 15000+ posts
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 19,438 Likes: 8 |
Quote:
Dave said:
I agree with G-man - it seems that the Atom is in fact the culprit.
how else do you catch someone too small to lay your hands upon? Unless, I suppose, Zatanna says "Motao niaager lamron thgieh".
?sdrow ruof esoht etirw ot ouy ekat ti did gnol woH
"My friends have always been the best of me." -Doctor Who
"Well,whenever I'm confused,I just check my underwear. It holds most answers to life's questions." Abe Simpson
I can tell by the position of the sun in the sky, that is time for us to go. Until next time, I am Lothar of the Hill People!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
|
|
Banned from the DCMBs since 2002. 15000+ posts
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,233 Likes: 1 |
|
|
|
|
|
