Quote: wannabuyamonkey said: I believe that God is my Heavenly father, not because I want Him to be, but because he is.
I'd challenge that.
OK,.... let me know when you get around to it, because I'm not going to try and guess what your challenge would be and try to answer that.
Do or do not -Yoda
I wasn't saying that I believed JUST because he was. I was saying that I believed based on what i preceve to be truth rather than simply forming a belief based on what I want to be true.
I was saying that I believed based on my beliefs rather than what I want to be true.
Rephrased exchanging "what I preceve to be truth" with "my beliefs." I think it's a fair enough trade.
Quote: The problem with boards is people tend to look at a single post.
Quite accurate in principle. I looked at that line of posts because it stood out as interesting to me. I have no desire to understand your belief system. I'm content to let you believe what you believe. That is not the issue. I defended Wednesday's correctness saying "I'd challenge that," because he easilly could.
Quote: You and Wednesday are saying I'm making a ciclical argument in trying to prove God's existance, but in the context I said what I said, i wasn't offereing my statement as any kind of proof.
That doesn't matter. What matters is that you wrote, "OK,.... let me know when you get around to it, because I'm not going to try and guess what your challenge would be and try to answer that." He did not offer an argument, he stated that he could offer an argument. In my recent paraphrase "I was saying that I believed based on my beliefs...," I have shown how this is easy to do, regardless on your agreeing with the refutation. Wednesday (IIRC) does not believe in god's existance (if I'm wrong, he still COULD not believe in god's eistance). If in his beliefs there is no god he can simply disprove your argument's premise (in his view) that god exists. God's existance is not at all a proven fact and thus can not be used as a good premise to your argument. Your argument is valid but not good.
Quote: I oppologise if my answer wasn't sufficiant for a question that wasn't asked.
No 'answer' is needed. The question wasn't asked nor will it be raised or desired at all (by me).
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