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Like were supposed to believe anything from oilempire.us?
Do you really think were that stupid?
Well, if you doubt the facts presented, look it up for yourself. Fact check it. ---> Find another source that has the same info.<---
that was a telling slip up.
no. that's what cross-referencing is. you find another source with the same info, then if you still doubt it, you see if you can find another and another and another until you've found several sources with the same information. If you only find that piece of information one place, and can't find credible evidence to support it or disprove it, then you can have reason to believe it.
I realize you're used to believing one source alone and never giving it any real thought, but that's hardly reasonable.
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I realize you're used to believing one source alone and never giving it any real thought, but that's hardly reasonable.
Really, I hadn't realised that about myself. Clearly I'm an unreasonable moron and just hadn't realized it. Just out of curiosity, so that I can save myself some time what is this sole sourse.
Anyway seeking out several sourses wih teh same information doesn't prove anything anymore than 10,000 Frenchmen can't be wrong. What some people do is acctually seek out opposing information and test thier theories against them. Of course you're going to find multiple sourses that claim Bush somehow orchastrated 9-11, but all that proves is that there's lots of nuts out there, because after all everyone knows it was aliens who were responsible for 9-11. Google says so.
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I realize you're used to believing one source alone and never giving it any real thought, but that's hardly reasonable.
Really, I hadn't realised that about myself. Clearly I'm an unreasonable moron and just hadn't realized it. Just out of curiosity, so that I can save myself some time what is this sole sourse.
Remember the religious conversation? I was refering to the bible.
Anyway, what makes you think I'm incapable of actually doing research? Because I don't believe in your god?
Why don't you look at the links I provided. I don't believe 100% of what's stated there. I'm a sceptic about the illuminati and secret cabals organizing world orders based on banks. But the fact is there are a lot of good questions that remain unanswered. Its too bad that you didn't take a good look at these questions, hat you didn't realize that some of these questions demand answers.
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It seems to me that there is nothing wrong with using google, as long as one recognizes that not every source that comes back will be legitimate.
But, then, even the "mainstream media" (CBS-I'm looking at you) isn't necessarily more accurate than something you find on google these days.
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It seems to me that there is nothing wrong with using google, as long as one recognizes that not every source that comes back will be legitimate.
But, then, even the "mainstream media" (CBS-I'm looking at you) isn't necessarily more accurate than something you find on google these days.
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True. And I do take a lot of these theories with a grain of salt. But there is certain photographic and video evidence that raises the most questions for me. The type where they show one clip and then another contradicting it, both by Bush. Or a simple glance at the Pentagon damage that seems odd for a jet fuel fire. Or the testimony of firefighters who heard bombs in the WTC. Or the video of the second plane from several angles showing a spark under the fuel tank right BEFORE it hit the tower. Or the former CIA agent who says Osama hated Saddam and called him the "Socialist Infidel." A lot of the most believable evidence I found in documentaries (and their evidence was easy cross referenced by getting the source photos/videos for myself). I unfortunately couldn't find a lot of the best evidence online, except for Operation Northwoods (which was from the ABC news site)
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Why don't you look at the links I provided. I don't believe 100% of what's stated there. I'm a sceptic about the illuminati and secret cabals organizing world orders based on banks. But the fact is there are a lot of good questions that remain unanswered. Its too bad that you didn't take a good look at these questions, hat you didn't realize that some of these questions demand answers.
Wouldn't being sceptical of conspiracy theories about the Illuminati (gotta keep it capitalized so they don't get pissed off and come after me) and secret cabals also make you sceptical of their reasoning and logic, eventually their questions?
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Remember the religious conversation? I was refering to the bible.
Anyway, what makes you think I'm incapable of actually doing research? Because I don't believe in your god?
Why don't you look at the links I provided. I don't believe 100% of what's stated there. I'm a sceptic about the illuminati and secret cabals organizing world orders based on banks. But the fact is there are a lot of good questions that remain unanswered. Its too bad that you didn't take a good look at these questions, hat you didn't realize that some of these questions demand answers.
Remember the religious conversation? I was refering to the bible.
Yea, while I do consider the Bible the final authority in all things spiritual doesn't mean I consider it my only referance point nor did I say so. But to think for a second that I would consider it the sole sourse for information considering teh Bush administration would take such a bizare jump in logic that to do so would be....well then again --->
Anyway, what makes you think I'm incapable of actually doing research? Because I don't believe in your god?
 Stunning logic...stunning.
Why don't you look at the links I provided.
I did, then I visited The Onion. They both provided some good laughs.
I don't believe 100% of what's stated there. I'm a sceptic about the illuminati and secret cabals organizing world orders based on banks.
Yea and I'm not going to waste my time sifting through any website that would regurgitate such crack pot theories on the slim chance of finding something half true.
But the fact is there are a lot of good questions that remain unanswered. Its too bad that you didn't take a good look at these questions, hat you didn't realize that some of these questions demand answers.
Acctually the only question that demand an answer is "How do these crack pots keep suckering people into taking them seriously."
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It seems to me that there is nothing wrong with using google, as long as one recognizes that not every source that comes back will be legitimate.
Exactly!
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Why don't you look at the links I provided. I don't believe 100% of what's stated there. I'm a sceptic about the illuminati and secret cabals organizing world orders based on banks. But the fact is there are a lot of good questions that remain unanswered. Its too bad that you didn't take a good look at these questions, hat you didn't realize that some of these questions demand answers.
Wouldn't being sceptical of conspiracy theories about the Illuminati (gotta keep it capitalized so they don't get pissed off and come after me) and secret cabals also make you sceptical of their reasoning and logic, eventually their questions?
You'd think so, wouldn't you?
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Yea, while I do consider the Bible the final authority in all things spiritual doesn't mean I consider it my only referance point nor did I say so. But to think for a second that I would consider it the sole sourse for information considering teh Bush administration would take such a bizare jump in logic that to do so would be....well then again --->
I was using the bible as a metaphor for you only using one source of information to believe something absolutely.
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Why don't you look at the links I provided. I don't believe 100% of what's stated there. I'm a sceptic about the illuminati and secret cabals organizing world orders based on banks. But the fact is there are a lot of good questions that remain unanswered. Its too bad that you didn't take a good look at these questions, hat you didn't realize that some of these questions demand answers.
Wouldn't being sceptical of conspiracy theories about the Illuminati (gotta keep it capitalized so they don't get pissed off and come after me) and secret cabals also make you sceptical of their reasoning and logic, eventually their questions?
Your logic is a bit fuzzy. Its like investigating a murder and saying you have proof that one suspect was leaving the victim's hotel room. Then you say I think he stole her wallet. The wallet aspect is conjecture, but the fact that he left her hotel room is fact.
Basically I'm saying these people have good questions and good evidence that does raise questions. Their conclusions may raise a few eyebrows, but that doesn't negate their questions.
And, as of yet, no one has actually brought up any of the questions only whether my source's speculations was accurate.
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Yea, while I do consider the Bible the final authority in all things spiritual doesn't mean I consider it my only referance point nor did I say so. But to think for a second that I would consider it the sole sourse for information considering teh Bush administration would take such a bizare jump in logic that to do so would be....well then again --->
I was using the bible as a metaphor for you only using one source of information to believe something absolutely.
It was a poor metaphore in that it wasn't properly metaphoric and that it wasn't true, but if you want to put your consperacy web-site on the same level that I put Holy Scripture that's definately your right as an American Citizen.
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Your logic is a bit fuzzy. Its like investigating a murder and saying you have proof that one suspect was leaving the victim's hotel room. Then you say I think he stole her wallet. The wallet aspect is conjecture, but the fact that he left her hotel room is fact.
No, it's like a trial if a whitness tells ten lies then thier entire testimony is deemed unreliable regardless if there's a truth or two hidden somewhere.
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Basically I'm saying these people have good questions and good evidence that does raise questions. Their conclusions may raise a few eyebrows, but that doesn't negate their questions.
Well for those of us who don't waste our time sifting through consperacy websites, please tell me what the good questions are and I'll see if i can answer them.
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-The Pentagon damage seems odd for a jet fuel fire, or the fact that there's no footage of the plane crashing into the pentagon. -The testimony of firefighters who heard bombs in the WTC. -The video of the second plane from several angles showing a spark under the fuel tank right BEFORE it hit the tower. -The former CIA agent who says Osama hated Saddam and called him the "Socialist Infidel." Which goes against the idea of them being allies. Or this quote from Bush (which you can find anywhere on video): "And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, 'There's one terrible pilot.' And I said, 'It must have been a horrible accident.' But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it." The problem with the above statement is that there was no live television coverage of the first plane strike. Only one known video exists from a french tourist and that wasn't available until 9/12. So either Bush was lying for some reason about seeing the attack on tv or he saw it on a closed circuit tv. There's no way around those options, they are conclusions based on solid FACTS. -Or how about the question of why the FAA in summer 2001 lost track of a plane carrying Payne Stewart and managed to get fighter jets to intercept it within minutes. Yet on 9/11 there were gaps of several minutes, up to an hour, between losing contact with planes and planes going off course and planes crashing and no fighter jets were scrambled to intercept. -Or this: The attack plane approached Washington D.C. from the northwest, but instead of diving into the portions of the Pentagon housing the top Brass like Donald Rumsfeld, the plane executed a 270 degree spiral dive to approach the vast building from the southwest side and strike a portion of Wedge 1 that was undergoing renovations. While crashing into other portions of the Pentagon would likely have killed thousands, the precision maneuver limited fatalities in the building to under 200. ( source ) -Or this question: Why did Hani Hanjour undertake a nearly impossible maneuver to strike the portion of the Pentagon that was nearly empty? How could he have executed such an extreme maneuver when he "couldn't fly at all" according to one of his flight instructors? ( source )
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-The Pentagon damage seems odd for a jet fuel fire, or the fact that there's no footage of the plane crashing into the pentagon.
-The testimony of firefighters who heard bombs in the WTC.
-The video of the second plane from several angles showing a spark under the fuel tank right BEFORE it hit the tower.
-The former CIA agent who says Osama hated Saddam and called him the "Socialist Infidel." Which goes against the idea of them being allies.
Or this quote from Bush (which you can find anywhere on video):
"And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, 'There's one terrible pilot.' And I said, 'It must have been a horrible accident.' But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it."
The problem with the above statement is that there was no live television coverage of the first plane strike. Only one known video exists from a french tourist and that wasn't available until 9/12. So either Bush was lying for some reason about seeing the attack on tv or he saw it on a closed circuit tv. There's no way around those options, they are conclusions based on solid FACTS.
-Or how about the question of why the FAA in summer 2001 lost track of a plane carrying Payne Stewart and managed to get fighter jets to intercept it within minutes. Yet on 9/11 there were gaps of several minutes, up to an hour, between losing contact with planes and planes going off course and planes crashing and no fighter jets were scrambled to intercept.
-Or this: The attack plane approached Washington D.C. from the northwest, but instead of diving into the portions of the Pentagon housing the top Brass like Donald Rumsfeld, the plane executed a 270 degree spiral dive to approach the vast building from the southwest side and strike a portion of Wedge 1 that was undergoing renovations. While crashing into other portions of the Pentagon would likely have killed thousands, the precision maneuver limited fatalities in the building to under 200. ( source )
-Or this question: Why did Hani Hanjour undertake a nearly impossible maneuver to strike the portion of the Pentagon that was nearly empty? How could he have executed such an extreme maneuver when he "couldn't fly at all" according to one of his flight instructors? ( source )
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Wouldn't being sceptical of conspiracy theories about the Illuminati (gotta keep it capitalized so they don't get pissed off and come after me) and secret cabals also make you sceptical of their reasoning and logic, eventually their questions?
Your logic is a bit fuzzy. Its like investigating a murder and saying you have proof that one suspect was leaving the victim's hotel room. Then you say I think he stole her wallet. The wallet aspect is conjecture, but the fact that he left her hotel room is fact.
Basically I'm saying these people have good questions and good evidence that does raise questions. Their conclusions may raise a few eyebrows, but that doesn't negate their questions.
And, as of yet, no one has actually brought up any of the questions only whether my source's speculations was accurate.
No. I would say it's more like me showing you this picture:
...and asking why someone would genetically alter an infant. I've taken a factual picture and made an infactual inquiry.
I tried to look through that site but couldn't stand some of the bullshit. There is supposed to be video footage of the first tower coming down that shows explosions going off on differnt floors. I watched that video at least ten times and didn't see it. Then, there were the stills from that video to further prove it. Yet, the pictures with the evidence in question were broken links. I guess the Bush administration hacked the site, deleted the pics, and digitally altered the video. 
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The sites themselves were the best I could find online. I would seriously suggest downloading (from kazzaa or bittorrent) a movie called "In plane sight." They have excellent analysis of the video/photographic evidence that I have not found decently online.
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I know this is going to be a hard pill to swallow, r3x, but I'm going to say this once. Bush didn't blow up the World Trade center. That's that.
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I know this is going to be a hard pill to swallow, r3x, but I'm going to say this once. Bush didn't blow up the World Trade center. That's that.
I don't really think that he blew them up personally. But there's a good deal of evidence that someone high up in the government knew about it and let it happen. That's why no jets were scrambled. Same as Pearl Harbor . Same as the Gulf of Tonkin .
There is historical precedent. I don't know how old you are, but if you're still around in 50 years I think it'll be commonly accepted and there will be more declassified evidence to back it up.
In fact, a lot of people already believe this:
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=745
And outside the U.S. more than 60% believe Bush had foreknowledge (I can't find a link to that now).
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and wannabuyamonkey? didn't you ask for specific questions? I posted several a few days back and you haven't addressed a single one. In fact no one is really addressing those questions, there focusing too much on insulting me and my sources.
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I know this is going to be a hard pill to swallow, r3x, but I'm going to say this once. Bush didn't blow up the World Trade center. That's that.
I don't really think that he blew them up personally. But there's a good deal of evidence that someone high up in the government knew about it and let it happen. That's why no jets were scrambled. Same as Pearl Harbor . Same as the Gulf of Tonkin .
There is historical precedent. I don't know how old you are, but if you're still around in 50 years I think it'll be commonly accepted and there will be more declassified evidence to back it up.
In fact, a lot of people already believe this:
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=745
And outside the U.S. more than 60% believe Bush had foreknowledge (I can't find a link to that now).
"Let those who have ears, listen."
But you're web site claims more than just Bush Knew (wich is an assinign concept even if 60% of those outside the US who allready hate Bush think it's true) you seem to imply that it wasn't the terrorists who did it, with the dissapearing plane and the bombs in teh trade center. I realise it's hard to stay consistant when proposing such a rediculous theory, but please try.
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and wannabuyamonkey? didn't you ask for specific questions? I posted several a few days back and you haven't addressed a single one. In fact no one is really addressing those questions, there focusing too much on insulting me and my sources.
You mean these?
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-The Pentagon damage seems odd for a jet fuel fire, or the fact that there's no footage of the plane crashing into the pentagon.
-The testimony of firefighters who heard bombs in the WTC.
-The video of the second plane from several angles showing a spark under the fuel tank right BEFORE it hit the tower.
-The former CIA agent who says Osama hated Saddam and called him the "Socialist Infidel." Which goes against the idea of them being allies.
Or this quote from Bush (which you can find anywhere on video):
"And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, 'There's one terrible pilot.' And I said, 'It must have been a horrible accident.' But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it."
The problem with the above statement is that there was no live television coverage of the first plane strike. Only one known video exists from a french tourist and that wasn't available until 9/12. So either Bush was lying for some reason about seeing the attack on tv or he saw it on a closed circuit tv. There's no way around those options, they are conclusions based on solid FACTS.
-Or how about the question of why the FAA in summer 2001 lost track of a plane carrying Payne Stewart and managed to get fighter jets to intercept it within minutes. Yet on 9/11 there were gaps of several minutes, up to an hour, between losing contact with planes and planes going off course and planes crashing and no fighter jets were scrambled to intercept.
-Or this: The attack plane approached Washington D.C. from the northwest, but instead of diving into the portions of the Pentagon housing the top Brass like Donald Rumsfeld, the plane executed a 270 degree spiral dive to approach the vast building from the southwest side and strike a portion of Wedge 1 that was undergoing renovations. While crashing into other portions of the Pentagon would likely have killed thousands, the precision maneuver limited fatalities in the building to under 200. ( source )
-Or this question: Why did Hani Hanjour undertake a nearly impossible maneuver to strike the portion of the Pentagon that was nearly empty? How could he have executed such an extreme maneuver when he "couldn't fly at all" according to one of his flight instructors? ( source )
Mot of these aren't acctualy questions, but here gos anyway.
-The Pentagon damage seems odd for a jet fuel fire, or the fact that there's no footage of the plane crashing into the
Really? and you know what damge caused by jet fuel is suposed to look like? And IF Bush knew don't you think they would have arranged for there to be footage of the plane hitting?
-The testimony of firefighters who heard bombs in the WTC.
Human testimony can be flawed and a tower falling apart can make alot of strange sounds. Also the bodies of people hitting the pavement from miles above sounded alot like bombs too.
-The video of the second plane from several angles showing a spark under the fuel tank right BEFORE it hit the tower.
This is just stupid. Are you sugesting that the fuel wouldn't have ignighted from the crash alone. Consperacy nuts alwayse find wierd camera effects and ry to ascribe something sinister to them, but in this case it doesn't even make sense.
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-The former CIA agent who says Osama hated Saddam and called him the "Socialist Infidel." Which goes against the idea of them being allies.
Or this quote from Bush (which you can find anywhere on video):
"And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, 'There's one terrible pilot.' And I said, 'It must have been a horrible accident.' But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it."
The problem with the above statement is that there was no live television coverage of the first plane strike. Only one known video exists from a french tourist and that wasn't available until 9/12. So either Bush was lying for some reason about seeing the attack on tv or he saw it on a closed circuit tv. There's no way around those options, they are conclusions based on solid FACTS.
See you made the incredibly stupid and common mistake for consperacy nuts by saying "Those are the only options" in order to discredit you all I need to do is think of a third option, which frankly there are lots. The most obvious and probable is that he mispoke, being under alot of stress he could have been refering to hearing it on the radio and just mixed memories of the other videos shown. But I'm sure you'll claim NOW that it's impossible for Bush to make a verbal gaff.
On this note I'll stop wasting my time with these rediculous points, because as your sig says "Fuck Bush" it's clear you really want to believe these things and no amount of facts or common reasoning can convince you otherwise. As i demonstrated above.
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wannabuyamonkey said:being under alot of stress he could have been refering to hearing it on the radio and just mixed memories of the other videos shown.
He made that comment during a town hall meeting with softball questions. He said specifically that he saw the first plane on tv before going into the classrom.
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wannabuyamonkey said:being under alot of stress he could have been refering to hearing it on the radio and just mixed memories of the other videos shown.
He made that comment during a town hall meeting with softball questions. He said specifically that he saw the first plane on tv before going into the classrom.
Right, I agknoledge he said that specifically. What I'm saying is he misspoke. And the stress he was under wasn't because he was in a press conferance it was because he was the president and his country was under attack in one of the most devistaing attacks in our history. This is my point though you and other conspiracy wackos get it in your mind there there's only one or two possible options that you're blind to te possibility of another. In this case you reject the more logical option, that the president made a verbal gaff (a point you would jump all over in any other case) for the more sensational illogical option that the president either was so sinister that he lied to the American people about a non-existant video in order to confuse and frustrate them or more sinisterly let it slip that he had a secret video camera planted somewhere for the sole purpous that he and the secret cabal that planned teh 9-11 attacks could watch it and gloat (at a scool before going in to read a book that he would later be accused by the same nuts of reading too long as being evidence that he didn't know what to do wich would be strange behaviour for someone who had known all along) It's this kind or lunatic reasoning why people have so much trouble taking you or your conspiracy nut friends seriosly.
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wannabuyamonkey said:being under alot of stress he could have been refering to hearing it on the radio and just mixed memories of the other videos shown.
He made that comment during a town hall meeting with softball questions. He said specifically that he saw the first plane on tv before going into the classrom.
What's the matter.....now you got something against softball too......If you hate this country so much FUCKING LEAVE!!! Please do us all a favor......and take Howard Dean with you he'll love to listen to the shit that spews out of your mouth.
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PJP said:What's the matter.....now you got something against softball too......If you hate this country so much FUCKING LEAVE!!! Please do us all a favor......and take Howard Dean with you he'll love to listen to the shit that spews out of your mouth.
The country was built upon people who challenged the system and asked questions of the leaders. If everyone who questioned the government's dirty tricks left the country then the government would do far worse.
Hitler also claimed that people who questioned the government were unpatriotic. So, I'm sure he'd like the shit that spews out of your mouth.
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PJP said:What's the matter.....now you got something against softball too......If you hate this country so much FUCKING LEAVE!!! Please do us all a favor......and take Howard Dean with you he'll love to listen to the shit that spews out of your mouth.
The country was built upon people who challenged the system and asked questions of the leaders. If everyone who questioned the government's dirty tricks left the country then the government would do far worse.
Hitler also claimed that people who questioned the government were unpatriotic. So, I'm sure he'd like the shit that spews out of your mouth.
I see instead of agknoledging my thread you'll just compare PJP to Hitler, good one, I'll just assume that I got your number in my last post and let it rest. I would like to add however that the country was not built on crack pot theorists who checked all logic at the door in blind hatred and unswerving desire to subvert any semblance of athourity. It was built by people who, yes, questioned the finer interworking of our government, but these people also UNDERSTOOD the finer interworkings of the government and worked to fine tune it and created viable solutions for the problems they found. They didn't sit around pondering some sinister motive behind the president saying he saw on TV rather than heard on the radio and forming some idiotic theory that not only goes against rational reasoning, but also goes against thier last idiotic theory.
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wannabuyamonkey said:idiotic theory that not only goes against rational reasoning, but also goes against thier last idiotic theory.
How does it go against rational reasoning? There is historical precedence. Operation Northwoods, FDR and Pearl Harbor, CIA experiments with LSD, CIA involvment in overthrowing Iranian coup in the 1950's, the Gulf of Tonkin.
These are on-the-record declassified events that show our government is up to this sort of thing. Perhaps you should take a better look at history.
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Better look = r3x's look.
Do you actually know anything about the points that I mentioned? Did you look them up for yourself? Or did you just resort to a one-liner to make yourself feel smart?
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Does it take effort to maintain this level of paranoia? Or does it just come naturally?
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Does it take effort to maintain this level of paranoia? Or does it just come naturally?
What level of paranoia? Its scepticism. Its willing to question the official story when the facts don't jibe with what the leaders are saying.
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you are a complete moron.
It's people like you that make this world into the shit hole it is today. Instead of actually looking at evidence and using your brain, you blindly follow what you're told and violently lash out when the status quo is challenged by people willing to at least analyze things.
I would seriously suggest that you at least put some thought into the matter being discussed before replying with another genius reply.
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