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the G-man said:As a historical fact, every single communist government on earth has been a dictatorship. If, as you admit, the alternative to Pinochet was a communist government, then the alternative to our "sending [you] into a dictatorship" was you sending yourself into a dictatorship.
Isn't that the whole point of "freedom?" The freedom to make choices, even if they turn out wrong. Free speech is based on the right to say unpopular things, free press is based on (or at least it used to be) on the idea of printing unpopular but true stories. The entire point of freedom (that this country was built on) is supposed to be that people make their choices, not other people making the choices for them.
What if some foreign country decided that Bush's "War on Terror" was an evil war of global domination? How would you react if they invaded the US, killed Bush, and installed a dictator "for our own good?"
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Actually, doctor, to this date, INMM is still arguing that a communist government would have respected the democratic process:
Correct me if I'm wrong-I'm not too well versed in late-1980's/early-1990's Russia-but isn't that how the USSR ended communism? Through elections?
No, it ended after a coup-de-ta. Hardliners overthrew the government by force.
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the G-man said:As a historical fact, every single communist government on earth has been a dictatorship. If, as you admit, the alternative to Pinochet was a communist government, then the alternative to our "sending [you] into a dictatorship" was you sending yourself into a dictatorship.
Isn't that the whole point of "freedom?" The freedom to make choices, even if they turn out wrong. Free speech is based on the right to say unpopular things, free press is based on (or at least it used to be) on the idea of printing unpopular but true stories. The entire point of freedom (that this country was built on) is supposed to be that people make their choices, not other people making the choices for them.
What if some foreign country decided that Bush's "War on Terror" was an evil war of global domination? How would you react if they invaded the US, killed Bush, and installed a dictator "for our own good?"
You're confused. A dictatorship limits the freedoms of it's countrymen it doesn't expand them, but then this is the same guy who thinks they voted comunism away in the former soviet union 
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wannabuyamonkey said:You're confused. A dictatorship limits the freedoms of it's countrymen it doesn't expand them, but then this is the same guy who thinks they voted comunism away in the former soviet union
Being admittedly unclear about one particular historical event (which I even asked if I was remembering correctly) is different than a debate on the concept of "freedom."
The whole point is that people who are "free" have the right to make bad choices. If the people in a country believe communism is the best route and they voted for it, then that's their right to go that route.
Our deciding for them who would lead their government is treating the people in the country like they're children.
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Being admittedly unclear about one particular historical event (which I even asked if I was remembering correctly) is different than a debate on the concept of "freedom."
The whole point is that people who are "free" have the right to make bad choices. If the people in a country believe communism is the best route and they voted for it, then that's their right to go that route.
Our deciding for them who would lead their government is treating the people in the country like they're children.
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wannabuyamonkey said:You're confused. A dictatorship limits the freedoms of it's countrymen it doesn't expand them, but then this is the same guy who thinks they voted comunism away in the former soviet union
Being admittedly unclear about one particular historical event (which I even asked if I was remembering correctly) is different than a debate on the concept of "freedom."
The whole point is that people who are "free" have the right to make bad choices. If the people in a country believe communism is the best route and they voted for it, then that's their right to go that route.
Our deciding for them who would lead their government is treating the people in the country like they're children.
Except that your error not only demonstrates that you're unclear on one historical example, but that you're unclear as to the principles and practice of communism. Even if you didn't know the specifics of that particular event, if you understood communism you would have been better able to guess what happened to end it. That's why a very wise man once said "How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."
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Except that your error not only demonstrates that you're unclear on one historical example, but that you're unclear as to the principles and practice of communism. Even if you didn't know the specifics of that particular event, if you understood communism you would have been better able to guess what happened to end it. That's why a very wise man once said "How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."
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The communist party lost its monopoly of power. In the USSR, multi-candidate elections were held for the first time.d In Poland, Solidarity emerged from underground to win a stunning electoral victory over the communists and form the first coalition government in Eastern Europe since 1948. In Hungary, the communists agreed to multi-party elections, which occurred the next year.
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Again, the point I was making was that if people are free, then they do not have their will overruled by a foreign country.
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You worthless retard...those elctions were held after the coup d'etat took place.....If Yeltsin didn't win the support of the military the communists wouldn't of given up power......now go and get me a soda you stupid son of a bitch
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Again, the point I was making was that if people are free, then they do not have their will overruled by a foreign country.
Not if it's a threat to us. If a people say they want to be oppressed and have thier freedoms taken away then they are no longer free. Look at North Korea and look at Hitler's Germany.
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Again, the point I was making was that if people are free, then they do not have their will overruled by a foreign country.
Not if it's a threat to us. If a people say they want to be oppressed and have thier freedoms taken away then they are no longer free. Look at North Korea.
do you honestly think that people went to the polls and said "hey, lets be oppresed?" No, they obviously didn't. They voted for the guy they thought was best, and maybe that Communist regime would've worked, who can say because it was never allowed to happen. A country is only a threat when they actually do something threatening. Like build missiles and point it at us or invade their neighbors. If that communist regime had turned oppressive, then the people of that country could've had a revolution.
Your basic point is: They may have been oppressed so we made sure they were oppressed for "their own good."
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Your basic point is: They may have been oppressed so we made sure they were oppressed for "their own good."
So, now you feel qualified to tell me my own point? Anyhoo, I'm not speaking to this specific example, I acctually don't know enough about this example to say one way or the other and i do agknoledge that our country is capable of mistakes. I'm speaking in generalities. All freedom ends at the point where it adversely effects others. Freedom of assembly ends at the lines of private property, freedom of speech ends at threats and harrassment, freedom of press ends at lible and the list goes on.
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Your basic point is: They may have been oppressed so we made sure they were oppressed for "their own good."
So, now you feel qualified to tell me my own point? Anyhoo, I'm not speaking to this specific example, I acctually don't know enough about this example to say one way or the other and i do agknoledge that our country is capable of mistakes. I'm speaking in generalities. All freedom ends at the point where it adversely effects others. Freedom of assembly ends at the lines of private property, freedom of speech ends at threats and harrassment, freedom of press ends at lible and the list goes on.
But these people voted for Communism. Many believe Bush is oppressive (nearly 50% in the US and more than 60% outside the US), many think he's corrupt, and some would say evil. But the people chose him (the second time at least) so would you support the right of some foreign country to come in and install a dictator for our own good?
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Your basic point is: They may have been oppressed so we made sure they were oppressed for "their own good."
So, now you feel qualified to tell me my own point? Anyhoo, I'm not speaking to this specific example, I acctually don't know enough about this example to say one way or the other and i do agknoledge that our country is capable of mistakes. I'm speaking in generalities. All freedom ends at the point where it adversely effects others. Freedom of assembly ends at the lines of private property, freedom of speech ends at threats and harrassment, freedom of press ends at lible and the list goes on.
But these people voted for Communism. Many believe Bush is oppressive (nearly 50% in the US and more than 60% outside the US), many think he's corrupt, and some would say evil. But the people chose him (the second time at least) so would you support the right of some foreign country to come in and install a dictator for our own good?
Germany voted for Hitler. Perhaps you should read the posts you quote. Just because the world doesn't like an idividual is different from a specific form of government being demonstrably dangerous. If Bush can be demonstrated to be a threat to the world then other countries can feel free to try thier hand at unseating him.
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Actually if you look at Hitler pre-WWII and Bush now, they both invade countries on the basis of exterminating evil. Now, I'm not saying we should be invaded and have a dictator installed, but then I don't think any country should be invaded unless its a clear and present threat to other nations. The simple fact is, we never gave them a chance to fail, we simply decided to overthrow a democratically elected government and install a brutal dictator on the grounds that he would be pro-USA and not pro-USSR.
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Actually if you look at Hitler pre-WWII and Bush now, they both invade countries on the basis of exterminating evil. Now, I'm not saying we should be invaded and have a dictator installed, but then I don't think any country should be invaded unless its a clear and present threat to other nations. The simple fact is, we never gave them a chance to fail, we simply decided to overthrow a democratically elected government and install a brutal dictator on the grounds that he would be pro-USA and not pro-USSR.
I allready said I wasn't speaking to this specific case. If you'd read past the first line in my posts you'd know that.
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Actually if you look at Hitler pre-WWII and Bush now, they both invade countries on the basis of exterminating evil. Now, I'm not saying we should be invaded and have a dictator installed, but then I don't think any country should be invaded unless its a clear and present threat to other nations. The simple fact is, we never gave them a chance to fail, we simply decided to overthrow a democratically elected government and install a brutal dictator on the grounds that he would be pro-USA and not pro-USSR.
I allready said I wasn't speaking to this specific case. If you'd read past the first line in my posts you'd know that.
I'm sorry I thought that we were talking about the subject that everyone else in the thread was talking about. I didn't realize you were using generalities to avoid confronting the actual issue at hand which is the subjugation of a particular country at the hands of the US because they may be subjugated at some point in the near future.
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I didn't realize you were using generalities to avoid confronting the actual issue at hand which is the subjugation of a particular country at the hands of the US because they may be subjugated at some point in the near future.
You are such an ass-hole. Read my fucking posts and stop being a dick! I wasn't avoiding shit, you dumb fucker. I readily admited that i didn't know enough about the specifics of the cae and admitted that it was wholey possible the US was in teh wrong, but you're such an asshole that you never fucking listen. I'm sorry i didn't google the topic to fake knoledge i didn't posess. i've tried with you, but forget it. You're just such a hatefull prick that you jump on any chance you can to insult someone. Ask around, ask all teh liberals how many times I got pissed off at them to this degree and before you interpret my getting fed up with you as some sighn that you are a superior intelect, tell me, are you a more briliant liberal that Wednesday, JJ, MEM, Darknight, Klinton or any of the rest, because I've never been as pissed off like this at any of them, probonly because none of them ever displayed the same level of ignorance coupled with an air of false superiority and refusal to acctually listen to what other people are trying to say. And incase you think you're not a dumb ass prick, Please tell me if you see the irony of THIS opening sentence
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I'm sorry I thought that we were talking about the subject that everyone else in the thread was talking about.
Wich topic is that, prey tell? Operation Northwoods, a missing plane in the pentagon, cross referancing, God, Internet reliability, Bush causing 9-11, Bush watching a video of 9-11 before it was available.... or what the hell are we talkinh about now, Chile communism? Can i not talk about one without the other, am i not allowed to talk general theory rather than a specific instance that i'm admittadly unfamiliar with? is that due to the highly structured nature of this thread? to you i say simply the following... FUCK YOU.
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Wow. There's the Christian love for you. I'll admit that I don't know the bible cover-to-cover but I'm pretty sure that's not what Jesus would've done. 
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If you hardly know shit about Jesus/Bible/Christianity then please don't lecture us on what is or isn't Christian-like.
You know, the fact that you condemn us for expletives or lude jokes on a messageboard doesn't speak much for your credibility. I mean, considering your track-record for using the anonymity of these boards to your full advantage with all the offensive jokes, I don't see how youshould be talking.
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You know, the fact that you condemn us for expletives or lude jokes on a messageboard doesn't speak much for your credibility.
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I only "condemn" it after you two talk about your righteous assholes.
I never said that I was more righteous than you cuz' I was Christian. Just that you were ignorant for arguing stuff you weren't proficient in understanding.
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I've never used these board's anonymity to my advantage. I post everything on this ID. If I was using the anonymity I'd have Alt-Ids.
You misinterpreted me. If we were talking face to face, your jokes would prolly be toned down. But since this is a messageboard, they're not. This is the case with me and my various.....Images. That's what I mean by "anonymity".
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You don't know me. I'm blunt. I started out talking to you about religion the same as I would anyone else. Your sheer hostility resulted in the same response from me it would in real life.
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Actually if you look at Hitler pre-WWII and Bush now, they both invade countries on the basis of exterminating evil. Now, I'm not saying we should be invaded and have a dictator installed, but then I don't think any country should be invaded unless its a clear and present threat to other nations. The simple fact is, we never gave them a chance to fail, we simply decided to overthrow a democratically elected government and install a brutal dictator on the grounds that he would be pro-USA and not pro-USSR.
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Actually if you look at Hitler pre-WWII and Bush now, they both invade countries on the basis of exterminating evil. Now, I'm not saying we should be invaded and have a dictator installed, but then I don't think any country should be invaded unless its a clear and present threat to other nations. The simple fact is, we never gave them a chance to fail, we simply decided to overthrow a democratically elected government and install a brutal dictator on the grounds that he would be pro-USA and not pro-USSR.
Don't worry liberal. Negroponte will get you just like he and other like minded patriots did your lefty President Allande and the 'wrong' central american elements....
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Wow. There's the Christian love for you. I'll admit that I don't know the bible cover-to-cover but I'm pretty sure that's not what Jesus would've done.
 OOOOH, you got me and proved to me and anyone else reading that you really don't care how you come off. I'm sure that's not how Jesus would have handled it, but I'm not Jesus (all jesus ever did when he was fed up with people was destroy thier shops and injur them with a bull-whip, but I'm sure you were refering to to the smiles and butterflies Jesus the world has invented). But here I thought you didn't resort to one liners? Oh well I'll just chalk that up to another lie from r3x. You continue to ignore my point and go right along feeling superior to every one else and I'll continue to express Jesus' love to as many as I can, if I have to answer for cussing your sorry as out on the day of judgement then I'll answer to my saviour for that. My point was simply that you were being an ass hole and you were. Jesus was a better speaker than I, but even he called a spade a spade, but I'm sure it makes you feel better to zing me with a good "you're not a good Christian" zinger than to question why you're the only liberal who I don't respect on these boards. Even after trying to give you a second chance.
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You know, the fact that you condemn us for expletives or lude jokes on a messageboard doesn't speak much for your credibility.
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I've never used these board's anonymity to my advantage. I post everything on this ID. If I was using the anonymity I'd have Alt-Ids.
Oh, please refer to the thread in wich I spoke of my own righousness? Rob's has a google search so it should be easy too find. I've spoken about my faith, NOT my own rigousness, if you understood a fraction of the Gospel you would understand the difference. After all you've proven yourself to be such a studius observer I KNOW you wouldn't have said it if it wan't true. So plese respond to this ONLY by linking to the thread in which I spoke of my own rigousness. Jesus said to love your neigbor, he never said I had to like you.
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wannabuyamonkey said:if it wan't true. So plese respond to this ONLY by linking to the thread in which I spoke of my own rigousness. Jesus said to love your neigbor, he never said I had to like you.
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What's with the sheer level of hostility from you? I've avoided making personal insults for the most part, but you rightwingers have turned my serious posts and disagreements into a justification to hound me all over these boards with insults and personal comments. But despite your efforts to annoy me, it doesn't work. This is just a messageboard, nothing personal, I wish you wouldn't take it like it is.
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wannabuyamonkey said:if it wan't true. So plese respond to this ONLY by linking to the thread in which I spoke of my own rigousness. Jesus said to love your neigbor, he never said I had to like you.
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What's with the sheer level of hostility from you? I've avoided making personal insults for the most part, but you rightwingers have turned my serious posts and disagreements into a justification to hound me all over these boards with insults and personal comments. But despite your efforts to annoy me, it doesn't work. This is just a messageboard, nothing personal, I wish you wouldn't take it like it is.
I'm sorry if the "get me a soda" joke has hurt your feelings, but this is a message board and it's all in good fun. Frankly you could insult me all you want I don't mind that in the right context, the thing that pisses me off is the fact that I acctually try to engage you in conversation and you don't even read what I write and instead accuse me of doding the issue when I fully admitted that I wasn't educated on the specific issue, wich you would have known if you acctually read what I wrote.
OK now first i would like to thank you for finding that thread for me because I couldn't find it, but the question was (and I'll capitalise it so if you're just skimming my post you can at least stop and read) WHERE DID I EVER SAY THAT I WAS RIGHOUS? You posted a thread where I go out of my way to agknoledge the sinfullness of Christians and that noone is superior. Everyone who posted there seemed to understand that. I had Christians, non-Christians, anti-Christians, friends, enemies (in the loosest sense of the word) I had most if not all the rkmbs gay community post there and they ALL seemed to get it.... everyone it would apear, but you. You seem to have such a deep hostility and predjidous towards Christians that you see the word Christian in the title and assume that I must be touting my own righousness. That is why I don't ake you seriously, because you've proven that you are soley motivated by predidous.
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You know, if I might go slightly off topic, and mildly heretical here, I think the whole concept of "believe in me or burn in hell" Jesus had is a pretty big "FUCK YOU."
Meaning that it is perfectly "Christian" to say "Fuck you."
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You know, if I might go slightly off topic, and mildly heretical here, I think the whole concept of "believe in me or burn in hell" Jesus had is a pretty big "FUCK YOU."
Meaning that it is perfectly "Christian" to say "Fuck you."
Except for the fact that he didn't have that outlook. There is no hell, no eternal torment. There is just the promise of reward for serving him. The only consequence he stated for not following him was to be shut out of heaven, a perfectly logical and acceptable outcome. He did not threaten to punish those who chose the opposite path. Good guy, that Jesus! 
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I really don't know why he would quote a source he only quarter believed in (Torah).
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You know, if I might go slightly off topic, and mildly heretical here, I think the whole concept of "believe in me or burn in hell" Jesus had is a pretty big "FUCK YOU."
Meaning that it is perfectly "Christian" to say "Fuck you."
Even less conceptual, because while I do believe he taught there was a Hell, I don't think THAT was a "fuck you", but he did call some men "white washed sepulcures filled with dead men's bones" wich would have been alot more offensive to them in that day then being called an asshole or prick is today. He also called a the woman at the well a dog not worthey to eat at his table.
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wannabuyamonkey said:if it wan't true. So plese respond to this ONLY by linking to the thread in which I spoke of my own rigousness. Jesus said to love your neigbor, he never said I had to like you.
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What's with the sheer level of hostility from you? I've avoided making personal insults for the most part, but you rightwingers have turned my serious posts and disagreements into a justification to hound me all over these boards with insults and personal comments. But despite your efforts to annoy me, it doesn't work. This is just a messageboard, nothing personal, I wish you wouldn't take it like it is.
I'm sorry if the "get me a soda" joke has hurt your feelings, but this is a message board and it's all in good fun. Frankly you could insult me all you want I don't mind that in the right context, the thing that pisses me off is the fact that I acctually try to engage you in conversation and you don't even read what I write and instead accuse me of doding the issue when I fully admitted that I wasn't educated on the specific issue, wich you would have known if you acctually read what I wrote.
OK now first i would like to thank you for finding that thread for me because I couldn't find it, but the question was (and I'll capitalise it so if you're just skimming my post you can at least stop and read) WHERE DID I EVER SAY THAT I WAS RIGHOUS? You posted a thread where I go out of my way to agknoledge the sinfullness of Christians and that noone is superior. Everyone who posted there seemed to understand that. I had Christians, non-Christians, anti-Christians, friends, enemies (in the loosest sense of the word) I had most if not all the rkmbs gay community post there and they ALL seemed to get it.... everyone it would apear, but you. You seem to have such a deep hostility and predjidous towards Christians that you see the word Christian in the title and assume that I must be touting my own righousness. That is why I don't ake you seriously, because you've
I'm sorry. Perhaps I was put off a bit by your many "fuck yous." I apologize deeply and ask that you nail me to a cross to pay penance. Hell, while I'm up there I'll pay for some of your penances too.
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I'm sorry. Perhaps I was put off a bit by your many "fuck yous." I apologize deeply and ask that you nail me to a cross to pay penance. Hell, while I'm up there I'll pay for some of your penances too.
The fuck you's came long after, but I'm glad to see that you're sticking with a trend of ignoring the acctuall substance of my post (a post you probobly didn't read)
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I'm sorry. Perhaps I was put off a bit by your many "fuck yous." I apologize deeply and ask that you nail me to a cross to pay penance. Hell, while I'm up there I'll pay for some of your penances too.
The fuck you's came long after, but I'm glad to see that you're sticking with a trend of ignoring the acctuall substance of my post (a post you probobly didn't read)
Listen, I'm not practicing any religion but my dad's side is of Jewish descent. I can wander around until the 2nd coming if that'll make you feel better.
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I'm sorry. Perhaps I was put off a bit by your many "fuck yous." I apologize deeply and ask that you nail me to a cross to pay penance. Hell, while I'm up there I'll pay for some of your penances too.
The fuck you's came long after, but I'm glad to see that you're sticking with a trend of ignoring the acctuall substance of my post (a post you probobly didn't read)
Listen, I'm not practicing any religion but my dad's side is of Jewish descent. I can wander around until the 2nd coming if that'll make you feel better.
What teh hell are you talking about? (still avaoiding the substance of my post, but that's come to be expected)
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It just occured to me that I let this entire thread go on without posting: alt.consperacy.black.helicopters
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You know, if I might go slightly off topic, and mildly heretical here, I think the whole concept of "believe in me or burn in hell" Jesus had is a pretty big "FUCK YOU."
Meaning that it is perfectly "Christian" to say "Fuck you."
Except for the fact that he didn't have that outlook. There is no hell, no eternal torment. There is just the promise of reward for serving him. The only consequence he stated for not following him was to be shut out of heaven, a perfectly logical and acceptable outcome. He did not threaten to punish those who chose the opposite path. Good guy, that Jesus!
Wouldn't it be nice if the Bible said that?
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