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Sammitch, unless ur dying and your with out health care you wont understand. As long as you have money and wealth you think capitalism is the way to go. In all honestly i would rather have no tax break but know i would be treated for an illness if it ever arose then having a few extra grand in my pocket. And even if you do have insurance, sometimes it doesnt cover all procedures what then? Your insurance doesnt cover a heart transplant... oh well ur just gonna have to die. What happened to humanity.
gwp, I have cerebral palsy, my birth mother was a drug user, and the only reason I have good insurance with my adoptive (real) family is because my mom is a public school teacher. I'm thankful for what I have, but I'm not rich by any means and I am certainly not blind to the plight of unfortunate or impoverished people. I don't want to hear a bleeding-heart argument except from someone who has a pretty good experiential reason to advocate their cause so strongly. I respect your beliefs, but this is an open forum and I felt obligated to contribute my own as well. Don't tell me what I do and don't understand unless you've got a pretty damn impressive list of qualifications behind your assertions. We're on the same level in here, okay?
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Isn't it amazing that people have been telling us what WE do and don't understant this week? Anyway, I thought it was pretty coincidental, I was adopted and my adoptive (real) parrents were (they're retired not dead) public school teachers.
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I hardly doubt European countries mooch off the US.
Oh, man, JLA, you really got me this time. Here I am arguing with this silly guy thinking he's serious, but he's really just another one of your joke alt IDs 
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Actually, it's historically been the mission of the church to care for those who can't care for themselves. The whole reason we have such a messy situation with government-subsidized health care and insurance and health care affordability is because the church largely shirked its responsibility to care for the impoverished or otherwise unfortunate members of society when it was needed most - during the Great Depression - and prompted the government to step in and assume responsibility for (and control over) the health and well-being of the American people.
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The only way socialism works is if they mooch off a capitalist country. What countries have made the largest contributions to science, medicine and technology? Not the socialist ones. What countries can defend themselves against evil terrorists? Not the socialist ones. Any type of government that limits some ones free speech and desire to do better in life is wrong.
You stupid, ignorant fuck. You wanna talk mooching? Check the American import vs. export ratio, and couple that with the national debt load. Take a look at most of the leading advances in medicine lately...they don't come stateside. And you'll note that us socialist countries don't need to defend ourselves from 'evil' terrorists, as they are more interested in pompus fucks like you...when they're not just made up boogymen trotted out at your administration's convenience. And here in Canada we enjoy free speech to extents that you repressed fucks can't even begin to comprehend. Protesting in Canada works, and brings change. No one is above public scrutiny here (witness the ongoing sponsorship hearing as we speak).
Educate your stupid white trash self before you open your mouth.
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Is this the catholic humility again? I generally tune out when you start spouting your drivel.
You have yet to come up with a single counterpoint to anything that I say. All you do is insult me and act like that's a valid response.
Funny, that's the same reason I've stopped reading most of your posts.
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The only way socialism works is if they mooch off a capitalist country. What countries have made the largest contributions to science, medicine and technology? Not the socialist ones. What countries can defend themselves against evil terrorists? Not the socialist ones. Any type of government that limits some ones free speech and desire to do better in life is wrong.
You stupid, ignorant fuck. You wanna talk mooching? Check the American import vs. export ratio, and couple that with the national debt load. Take a look at most of the leading advances in medicine lately...they don't come stateside. And you'll note that us socialist countries don't need to defend ourselves from 'evil' terrorists, as they are more interested in pompus fucks like you...when they're not just made up boogymen trotted out at your administration's convenience. And here in Canada we enjoy free speech to extents that you repressed fucks can't even begin to comprehend. Protesting in Canada works, and brings change. No one is above public scrutiny here (witness the ongoing sponsorship hearing as we speak).
Educate your stupid white trash self before you open your mouth.
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You stupid, ignorant fuck. You wanna talk mooching? Check the American import vs. export ratio, and couple that with the national debt load. Take a look at most of the leading advances in medicine lately...they don't come stateside.
Then why does nearly anyone who can afford it come from Canada to the United States for medical treatment?
I think a compelling argument could be made that this is a form of "mooching" off the United States.
And, of course, there's the whole issue of whether or not Canada could exist in its current form if its only land neighbor was anything other than the United States. For example, what would Canada's military have to be like if it didn't border a friendly superpower?
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And you'll note that us socialist countries don't need to defend ourselves from 'evil' terrorists,
How are those Quebec separatist these days?
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I suppose it depends on what you mean by "free speech."
Canada has had some significant issues with censorship of broadcasting, including state mandated content, prosecutions for politically incorrect speech and, of course, censorship of English in Quebec.
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And here in Canada we enjoy free speech to extents that you repressed fucks can't even begin to comprehend.
Is that why Howard Stern was yanked of the air for making fun of Canada?
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I like Canada as a country. Nice people. Great scenery. I just happen to strongly disagree with how it's run. I'm sure that's how a lot of Canadians in here feel about us.
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not everyone has insurance, so your gonna let people that dont have insurance die??
Why don't they get a job and buy insurance instead of relying on me to pay thier bills?
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Is this the catholic humility again? I generally tune out when you start spouting your drivel.
You have yet to come up with a single counterpoint to anything that I say. All you do is insult me and act like that's a valid response.
Funny, that's the same reason I've stopped reading most of your posts.
I disagree with you, I don't insult you. There are posters I disagree with (G-man, yourself) who I have respect for because they maintain civility. Then there are posters who basically just do one-liners, those guys I insult.
Or maybe I did insult you because you pissed me off. Who can say really. In my mind I don't remember insulting you or making any of our debates personal.
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not everyone has insurance, so your gonna let people that dont have insurance die??
Why don't they get a job and buy insurance instead of relying on me to pay thier bills?
I find it odd that this went untouched. Not sure what to make of that.
do you work? Insurance is not cheap to buy, and most companies give somewhat pisspoor benefits for way too much money.
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Then why does nearly anyone who can afford it come from Canada to the United States for medical treatment?
Because they don't wish to wait on a list. It's not a matter of mooching, as they are encouraged by these facilities to come, as they can't be bothered treating thier own countrymen with no cash.
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And, of course, there's the whole issue of whether or not Canada could exist in its current form if its only land neighbor was anything other than the United States. For example, what would Canada's military have to be like if it didn't border a friendly superpower?
I'll agree with you there. This has been, until recent years, a huge element in the formation of our system. But if you really want to go there, we can discuss the concessions granted you by us that even let your country exist to begin with.
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Canada has had some significant issues with censorship of broadcasting, including state mandated content, prosecutions for politically incorrect speech and, of course, censorship of English in Quebec.
Nothing like the media blackouts you are party to. And state mandated content, prosecutions for politically incorrect speach....these are most often the topics of American media outlets. Everything from ball players to exposed nipples to television shows with gay content. The last time I recall anything like this was the 'Bush doll' incident. It aired as planned and the content was debated in public forums. You'll note that Don Cherry was merely chastised for his ignorance, not censored.
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I'm a full-time student. I'm covered on my parents' insurance at the moment. I suppose it'll be an enlightening exercise when I graduate.
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And Rex, sorry about the tone there...That was uncalled for. Just finishing my first cup of coffee here. Really mate, sorry.
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Plenty of caffeine junkies in here can understand that. Excuse me - must polish off my soda here... 
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not everyone has insurance, so your gonna let people that dont have insurance die??
Why don't they get a job and buy insurance instead of relying on me to pay thier bills?
I find it odd that this went untouched. Not sure what to make of that.
do you work? Insurance is not cheap to buy, and most companies give somewhat pisspoor benefits for way too much money.
I work, I own my own buisiness, wich means that the insurance I buy is alot more expensive than the benifits that some people get through thier employer. If we had fully socilized medicine I would be paying alot more and getting alot less.
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must polish off my soda here...
PJP, he got that soda himself.
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Educate your stupid white trash self before you open your mouth.
You can kiss my big fat hairy American ass. Yes I am pompous. Yes I am selfish. Do I care about other people? Fuck no. Everyone can take care of themselves. We shouldn't have to take care of every piece of gutter trash. If you want to spend the rest of your life supporting people weaker than you, go ahead. Just don't get in my way you fucking ass.
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And Rex, sorry about the tone there...That was uncalled for. Just finishing my first cup of coffee here. Really mate, sorry.
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I win again.
You win...what? The argument? Hell no. My sympathy, perhaps.
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Then why does nearly anyone who can afford it come from Canada to the United States for medical treatment?
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Because they don't wish to wait on a list. It's not a matter of mooching, as they are encouraged by these facilities to come, as they can't be bothered treating thier own countrymen with no cash.
Which would appear to indicate problems with your system that are alleviated solely through, if not mooching, a certain unstated reliance on our system.
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I'll agree with you there. This has been, until recent years, a huge element in the formation of our system.
Which, again, would seem to indicate that Canada does have a certain dependence on us.
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But if you really want to go there, we can discuss the concessions granted you by us that even let your country exist to begin with.
I'm not sure how an historical issue weighs on current dependence.
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And you did exactly what in helping us with that situation?
Why would you want our help? That could be seen as "mooching"?
Furthermore, my point was addressed at the fact that you seemed to be implying that terrorism is caused by US actions. If that were the case, you wouldn't have terrorism in Quebec.
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Nothing like the media blackouts you are party to. And state mandated content, prosecutions for politically incorrect speach....these are most often the topics of American media outlets. Everything from ball players to exposed nipples to television shows with gay content. The last time I recall anything like this was the 'Bush doll' incident. It aired as planned and the content was debated in public forums. You'll note that Don Cherry was merely chastised for his ignorance, not censored.
A lot of what you seem to think is government run "censorhip" in the US is actually individual station owners exercising their private right to air or not air something. That isn't censorship. Unlike a number of the incidences in Canada, in which the government was engaged in the restraint.
Furthermore, even if what you say is true, all you've done is concede that Canada isn't really the "free speech" haven that your originally made it out to be. In which case, you really dn't have any business attacking the US for its' alleged lack of free speech.
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Educate your stupid white trash self before you open your mouth.
You can kiss my big fat hairy American ass. Yes I am pompous. Yes I am selfish. Do I care about other people? Fuck no. Everyone can take care of themselves. We shouldn't have to take care of every piece of gutter trash. If you want to spend the rest of your life supporting people weaker than you, go ahead. Just don't get in my way you fucking ass.
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Which would appear to indicate problems with your system that are alleviated solely through, if not mooching, a certain unstated reliance on our system.
Not at all. Just the use of available resources. They would still get the treatment, they would just have to wait thier turn. If they choose to expedite the process, power to them. They do not need to turn to outside sources.
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Which, again, would seem to indicate that Canada does have a certain dependence on us.
Had. This in no way applies to the current climate, wereby our administration is bullied by our 'benevolent' niebours. On the world scene, your interations with us is monitored by the world at large, most of whom respect our position...regardless of our niebours.
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I'm not sure how an historical issue weighs on current dependence.
Because our beneficial relationship with you is fast becoming a footnote on historical records. Yes, you have played a positive role in helping us shape our country...as did we in your past.
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Why would you want our help? That could be seen as "mooching"?
Furthermore, my point was addressed at the fact that you seemed to be implying that terrorism is caused by US actions. If that were the case, you wouldn't have terrorism in Quebec.
The initial argument was that we rely on you to protect us from terrorist threats. I was merely pointing out that the threats that Rex had in mind were of no consequence to us. Yes, the FLQ have been a pain in the ass. But in recent years, they have moved into more respectable arenas and have stated thier piece in parlement. The violent uprisings you refer to are a non-issue.
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A lot of what you seem to think is government run "censorhip" in the US is actually individual station owners exercising their private right to air or not air something. That isn't censorship. Unlike a number of the incidences in Canada, in which the government was engaged in the restraint.
Furthermore, even if what you say is true, all you've done is concede that Canada isn't really the "free speech" haven that your originally made it out to be. In which case, you really dn't have any business attacking the US for its' alleged lack of free speech.
I didn't say it was government censorship...I said that it is rampant, regardless of the instigator. And I never said things are perfect here we have our issues. We just have less of them than America. Rex was saying how a socialist country represses free speach...I was saying that we are able to speak much more freely here and affect change with our opinions. If you really want to compare a case by case example of censorship in Canada vs. America, you can't possibly believe that we will come off looking bad.
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Here's a couple more,
Socialism is just as bad as communism. Any socialist country has to rely on other countries to defend them. coughcanadacough
Religious extremists need to be deprogrammed.
The war in Afganistan was completely justifiable.
The war in Iraq was also completely justifiable, but Bush should not have sold the war on WMD.
Capitalism is the greatest thing of all time.
Freedom of speech is one of the most important parts of a free society.
Protesting in America accomplishes nothing.
The government needs to be accountable for their spending.
Schools need to be accountable for their spending.
We need to stop all illegal immigration. Especially from Mexico.
you sound like a dumb red neck white guy.
You're a racist. I don't mean that you're a racist against white people, you allready know that. I mea you're a racist against all minorities, insisting that they believe what you do or insisting (in your next post) that only white people can work hard and afford thier own health care. No wonder people like you are so ready and willing to overlook a clansman in your own rank (Byrd)
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Educate your stupid white trash self before you open your mouth.
You can kiss my big fat hairy American ass. Yes I am pompous. Yes I am selfish. Do I care about other people? Fuck no. Everyone can take care of themselves. We shouldn't have to take care of every piece of gutter trash. If you want to spend the rest of your life supporting people weaker than you, go ahead. Just don't get in my way you fucking ass.
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Actually I'm just fucking with you. I have plenty of compassion for people that are unable to function in society.
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
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You are a sad man, you have no humanity or compassion.
yup.
your sick
Not sick...just fat, ugly and balding (with stubby arms, appearantly...like a t-rex, thus the nic). You can kind of understand why he'd be bitter at the world, can't you? You have to give the guy a little slack.
If karma's a bitch, it will be my bitch!
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klinton said:
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rex said:
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gundamwingpilot said:
You are a sad man, you have no humanity or compassion.
yup.
your sick
Not sick...just fat, ugly and balding (with stubby arms, appearantly...like a t-rex, thus the nic). You can kind of understand why he'd be bitter at the world, can't you? You have to give the guy a little slack.
At least I'm not Canadian.
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
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Actually I'm just fucking with you. I have plenty of compassion for people that are unable to function in society.
i would hope so
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rex said:
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gundamwingpilot said:
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rex said:
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gundamwingpilot said:
You are a sad man, you have no humanity or compassion.
yup.
your sick
Not sick...just fat, ugly and balding (with stubby arms, appearantly...like a t-rex, thus the nic). You can kind of understand why he'd be bitter at the world, can't you? You have to give the guy a little slack.
At least I'm not Canadian.
Nope, you're not.
If karma's a bitch, it will be my bitch!
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