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This USA Next/Swift Boat advertisment appeared on the American Spectator website.
Fucking anti-American/traitor seniors! This is roof positive that the AARP is a fucking bastion of liberalism and anti Americanism!
THERE is the real reason for the AARP's opposition of Bush's Social Security plan! They hate American troops and love gay marriage!
um..... I'm out of the loop at the moment so I don't quite know how Social Security ties into gay marriage and being against the troops, but rest assured it's all TRUE!
maybe G-Man can enlighten you all. All I know is that they're against Bush so they need to be destroyed!!!!!
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that looks like Ben Affleck and Matt Damon!
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Makes sense. I mean, Affleck and Damon are Liberal.
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I really can't be anyone who's for gay marriage being anti-soldier...Did you see 'Black Hawk Down' or 'G.I. Jane'? Some guys and gals can really work that camo look, and no proper fag or dyke would deprive the world of a dresscode that exudes so much inherant sexuality.
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The GOP seems to have badly misjudged the American mood by going after the New Deal so viciously. The Social Security phase-out is faltering, public opposition is hardening, and die-hard Republicans have taken to holding town hall meetings to drum up support among their own constituency. In Pennsylvania, Rick Santorum appeared at one such event, and promptly reminded us why George Bush is so reluctant to appear in front of actual, non-scripted voters. This delightful first-hand account courtesy of MyDD:
Outside the hall before the event, Philly DFA began chanting "Hey-hey, ho-ho, Rick Santorum has got to go!" Local college Republicans, who are just about the only Republicans in West Philly, responded with a chant that beautifully was captured live by CNN: "hey-hey, ho-ho, Social Security has got to go!"
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Exactly. Freudian slips are best.
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That USA Next group, which as been unleashed to besmirch the AAARP is from the same group of fellows who Swift-boat-ed John Kerry. And here I was under the impression that they were just an impromptu bunch of concerned citizens out to spread the "truth" about Kerry's heroism.
Apparently now (according to USA Next) the AARP is all about gay marriage and liberal propaganda.
From the AARP site:
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Attacking AARP
In a previous post on this blog, AARP presented information about the neoconservative lobbying group named USA Next. There is a new development in the attempt by some to discredit AARP because of our stance on Social Security.
From the people who brought you the Swift Boat veterans campaign against John Kerry in 2004 comes "consultants to orchestrate attacks on AARP" as reported in the New York Times and reprinted online elsewhere.
These anti-AARP efforts are rooted in neoconservative ideology. Charles Jarvis is president USA Next and was deputy secretary for the interior in the Reagan and first Bush administrations. The true motives of these anti-AARP efforts are clear in this quote from him:
They [AARP] are the boulder in the middle of the highway to personal savings accounts. We will be the dynamite that removes them.
AARP calls your attention to these efforts because media coverage is clear about the aggressive tone of the language. We question why neoconservatives would choose these tactics.
AARP urges you to judge critically the motivations behind statements made against AARP. For example, whenever you see attempts to discredit AARP presented on Fox News Channel or other media outlets like talk radio shows that regularly carry the neoconservative lobbying group messages, AARP urges you to consider these important background facts:
• USA Next is a lobbying group that "has poured poured millions of dollars into Republican policy battles" as reported in the New York Times.
• As reported by UPI, USA Next has hired a public relations firm with "plans to spend as much as $10 million to counterattack Democrats opposed to changing Social Security, has hired Chris LaCivita, a former Marine who advised Swift Vets on its media campaign and helped write its potent commercials attacking Bush's opponent, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass."
• Creative Response Concepts of Alexandria, Virginia is the public relations firm hired by USA Next. As reported by PR Watch, in 2004 "this firm used right-wing blogs and news sites to turn a CBS report casting doubt about President George W. Bush's National Guard services into a potential black eye for both the network and the Democrats."
http://aarp.typepad.com/socialsecurity/
From the looks of it though, all the neoconservatives are doing is exposing their particular brand of dirty tricks, hatchet jobs, and lies to a Legion of Senior Citizen voters. Some who also happen to be AARP memebers, as well as both lefities and righties and everything in between.
Good for the swifties!
Why is no one pointing out that Social Security is insurance and not a get-rich investment scheme? Does your insurer give you back your premium if you don't wreck your car or burn down your house before you die?
Can you insure your Cadillac, pay only 75% of the premium, have your insurance company replace it with a Neon if you total it and hope that your 25% outside investment added to the price of the Neon will buy a new Cadillac? Why is no one pointing out that to get rich you invest in 401(k) and/or IRA?
The same Republicans who used to love AARP when it helped them pass the president's prescription drug plan now hate AARP because it is against the president's plan to privatize Social Security.
If anything though , this AARP backstab should be a cautionary tale of what happens when you compromise with people who view compromise as weakness.
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Whomod........I didn't know you went to Townsdale!
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Pariah said: I didn't know you went to Townsdale!
It's Lonsdale, nitwit.
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Oh....Well it looks like Townsdale--Which, by the way, is better than Lonsdale!
Seriously though, I'd love to argue about Social Security, but I find my knowledge in that area very lacking. So far, I've ascertained that it was started by Roosevelt to take the spare change that other people could have conveniently used before the end of their gracing period, which, coincidentally, was before they'd get their money back. Should have cut down on the medical expenditure as well to make sure they'd continue to die young. Anyway, I have no idea how it's evolved so far.
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"mission accomplished" - George W. Bush May 2, 2003
It does not require a majority to prevail but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brushfires in peoples minds". Samuel Adams said that. Pretty deep for a guy that makes beer for a living - The Boondocks
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If that's the case, the outcome can be prevented by the investing individual. I don't see why government needs to delve into our finances when the whole idea is to do that ourselves.
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Lets see, raise taxes and cut benifts? Is that teh best sollution y'all can come up with?
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If that's the case, the outcome can be prevented by the investing individual. I don't see why government needs to delve into our finances when the whole idea is to do that ourselves.
Once more..
Why is no one pointing out that Social Security is insurance and not a get-rich investment scheme? Does your insurer give you back your premium if you don't wreck your car or burn down your house before you die?
If you want people to invest money, then provide incentives such as tax free 401(k)'s or automatic 401(k)enrollment at the workplace (with a company match on contributions). Social Security, again, is not a personal investment program. It boggles the mind that the GOP is trying to frame it as such.
It's SOCIAL Security, not personal financial Security. It's also the third rail of politics. One somebody fools with at their own peril.
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The good old (non-partisan)Goverment Accountability Office has done its work and determined that there is no immediate crisis in Social Security and that private accounts--as envisioned by the Bush administration--could accelerate the system's financial problems.
Personal accounts could hasten Social Security shortfall, GAO finds
Comptroller General David Walker testified today in a House Ways and Means Committee hearing (from the Kansas City Star). On private accounts:
<<<They wouldn't shore up the system, he said, if they were financed, or "carved out," from current Social Security taxes, as Bush proposes, and accompanied by no other changes. By themselves, he said, such private accounts would "exacerbate" the system's problems and accelerate the date for when it would start spending more on pension benefits than it receives in annual revenue.>>
In other news, the USA Next people resonsible for the AARP= gay marriage/anti-troop ad are being sued by the 2 guys whose photo they used in their ad.
USA Next accused of stealing photo of gay couple for anti-AARP ad campaign
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You left out this part: But Walker also said that the impact that private accounts would have on Social Security would depend entirely on how they're funded and what other steps are taken - such as pension-benefit cuts or tax increases - to shore up the system's long-term solvency. The GAO chief also said that action is needed soon to address the system's solvency problem before it worsens. And this part (from another article): "...time is working against us. The sooner you act, the less dramatic the changes that have to be made."
Beyond that, he said Congress faces a larger challenge. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid combined "represent an unsustainable burden on future generations," said Walker, who heads the Government Accountability Office, a nonpartisan congressional agency.
"Absent meaningful changes to these programs, the nation will ultimately have to choose among persistent, escalating federal deficits, huge tax increases, and/or dramatic budget cuts."
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its hard to make an argument if you include all the facts silly!
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is no one else here old enough to remeber how the dems tried to claim that 401k's were just a way for companies to get out of paying a pension. they claimed that people couldnt invest their own money and have a retirement. well they were partially right companies pay a smaller share than they used to but people have a bigger retirement from the growth their money recieves. its win win. this would basically be the same effect. the goverment would dole out less money in the long term but the money would grow bigger in the end.
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Nothing. Just another leaked memo that shows how you're all being manipulated and lied to.
Move along...
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How Bush Makes Sure They Agree
A memo illustrates the way the White House is selectively casting members of the under-30 set to promote its Social Security plan.
By Warren Vieth, Times Staff Writer
MILWAUKEE — As President Bush resumes his cross-country campaign to promote his vision of Social Security restructuring, it's no secret that he is relying on outside organizations to help provide the supporting cast.
Yet a memo circulated this week among members of one group, Women Impacting Public Policy, illustrates the lengths to which the White House has gone to make sure the right points are made at the president's public appearances.
"President Bush will be in Rochester, N.Y., for an upcoming event and has called on WIPP for help," said the memo to New York-area members, from one of the group's leaders. "He would like to visit with local workers about their views on Social Security."
The memo went on to solicit several types of people "who he would like to visit with" — including a young worker who "knows that [Social Security] could run out before they retire," a young couple with children who like "the idea of leaving something behind to the family" and a single parent who believes Bush's proposal for individual investment accounts "would provide more retirement options and security" than the current system.
The people solicited appeared to represent various arguments that Bush has been making for why Social Security should be overhauled. The memo requested an immediate response, because "we will need to get names to the White House."
Bush has proposed letting younger workers divert a portion of their payroll taxes into individual investment accounts that they would control. He has said the accounts should be part of a broader restructuring plan that would slow the growth of benefits to ensure Social Security's solvency.
The women's group memo said the White House was seeking only people younger than 29. It reflected the latest refinement of the White House strategy for promoting its Social Security plan: highlighting the benefits Bush sees for younger workers.
The theme was on full display Thursday as Bush took his campaign to Wisconsin, the 26th state he has visited to promote Social Security restructuring.
"You got any thoughts about Social Security?" Bush asked 22-year-old Concordia University senior Christy Paavola, one of five younger workers who appeared on stage with him at the Milwaukee Art Museum.
"Yes," Paavola said. "I don't think it's going to be there when I retire, which is really scary."
Many young people, the president commented, think they are paying into a retirement system that will never pay them back. He asked Paavola: "Got anything else you want to say?"
"I really like the idea of personal savings accounts," Paavola said.
"You did a heck of a job," Bush told her. "You deserve an A."
The participants in Thursday's event in Wisconsin appeared to mirror the criteria outlined in the memo to members of WIPP. In addition to Paavola, Bush was joined in Wisconsin by a preschool teacher, a small business owner, and a dairy farmer and his wife, who worked as a bookkeeper in a bank. None was older than 27.
WIPP describes itself as a bipartisan organization representing about 500,000 female business owners and employees. White House spokesman Trent Duffy declined to discuss the group's e-mail to prospective participants in the Rochester forum, an event that the White House has not announced.
Duffy said it was not unusual for the White House to work with such groups to identify people who could help Bush make the case for restructuring.
"Yes, the president is promoting his agenda," Duffy said. "Every president that preceded this one has used the bully pulpit to talk about their agenda. This president is doing the same."
But critics of the president's plan contended that the choreography of Bush's Social Security events deprived the public, and Bush, of the opportunity to weigh alternative approaches for dealing with the retirement system's financial needs.
"He's going around listening to people who agree with him," said Barbara Kennelly, a former House Democrat who heads the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare, that opposes Bush's investment account plan. "It's unfortunate that this president never hears any opposition to a plan that has a lot of opposition."
Bush's Social Security events typically feature one policy expert and several workers or retirees who sit on stools next to the president and explain why they think personal accounts would be a good idea.
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 Holy shit! This proves conclusively that there must be a neocon conspiracy behind all this!!!
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With all due respect, Id, if any politician is putting on a series of campaign stops to promote a particular program, it would be, to put it mildly, counterproductive to include the opposition to the politician or the program.
For example, when Clinton was out there in the early 1990s touting Hillary's Health Care plan, do you really think he was arranging for Young Republicans to come to the events?
Of course not.
As much as you'd like to pretend otherwise, a political rally is not an episode or "Crossfire," or a debate.
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