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Interesting Read on FDR's Second Bill of Rights.


That's why he's my favorite.



And this is whayy I think he's highly overrated, asside from teh following essentially spelling out socialism many are flawed on a more specific level:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

I have to go, but i'll be back later to go into each specifically, but I wanted everyone so see what y'all were so excited about and see if they can find the inherant flaws in each of the above "rights".



If there is any flaw in these Rights, it's that they're overly idealistic. I agree with and support all of them, but I don't know how we could realistically implement them.

Other than that, I don't see anything wrong with them.



OK, here goes.

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

OK, a job is and has alwayse been a privilage. That's why you EARN a living rather than being granted one. Rights aren't something you earn they're something guarenteed regardless of personal ability. I have the right to free speach and that doesn't require that I say something correct or even smart or usefull i could say the stupidest uneducated crap from my rooftop and no one could deny me that right. So what do you do with a bad worker. If a job isn't earned then you could have the laziest worst worker in the country and if he comes to me and i have a job opening how can i deny his right to work? And if i'm not required to hire him, someone will be.

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

cost of living varys from region to region. Should people be granted enough to live regardless of where they live?

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

In order to enforce this you would have to force people to not only buy products, but buy them at a specific price. At the time almost 70% of Americans were employed in the farm industry, today less than 7%. If this "right" were granted then no farms would have gone out of buisiness and 70% of Americans would most likely still be farmers and the rest of us woul dbe in jail for not buying enough produce.

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

I agree with some aspects of anti-trust laws, but one glaring problem is the term abroad. Should America have the right to regulate forign buisinesses?

The right of every family to a decent home;

What exactly is a decent home? and two things again, remember that you don't have to earn a "right" so the laziest least qualified employee has the right to buy a nice home. And remember when i mentioned cost of living, a decent home in one nighborhood cost a hell of a lot more than in another. What if i want to live near the water (wich is where I currently live), should I have the right to t home there or would I be relocated to the midwest somewhere where homes are cheaper?

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

See the rest of this thread. And if i have the right to aceave good health then the government is going to have to exact a divine healing in my body, because currently even though i can afford medical care, I still suffer from daily pain because of a medical problem doctors can't fix well enough.

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

This one confuses me. i currently have no protection from unemployment because i don't pay into unemployment, but i do have protection against accidents because i pay into that.... i get what I pay for.

The right to a good education.

OK I do support vouchers so I guess I like this one.

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