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My mom teaches a Jewish education class for adults, and every year she asks her students the following question.
There's a scene in Mel Brooks's "History Of The World Part 1" where Moses is carrying three tablets, carrying the Fifteen Commandments. One of them falls and brakes, ("Oy!") and Moses ends up presenting the Ten Commandments, instead fifteen.
So here's the question: What do you think those other five commandments could have been? Be as creative as you want, but I'd appreciate serious answers.
To refresh everyone's memory, here are the first ten, according to Judaism. I quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments, which has lots of interesting stuff about the Ten Commandments from the viewpoints of various religions that you may find interesting. (But for the sake of this discussion, I'd prefer that you limit this thread to merely listing what you think the "other five commandments" could have been.)
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1) "I am the Lord your G-d who brought you out of the land of Egypt..."
2) "You shall have no other gods besides Me...Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..."
3) "You shalt not swear falsely by the name of the Lord..."
4) "Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy" (the version in Deuteronomy mentions "Keep" rather than "Remember")
5) "Honor your father and your mother..."
6) "You shall not murder"
7) "You shall not commit adultery"
8) "You shall not steal" (sometimes interpreted as kidnapping, since there are other injunctions against stealing property in the Bible).
9) "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"
10) "You shall not covet your neighbor's house..." (in Exodus, the text reads "... neighbour's house, ... neighbour's wife, nor his manservant..." etc. while in Deuteronomy, "thy neighbour's wife, ... thy neighbour's house, his field" etc.)
So now it's your turn to add five more. Think about it, and choose carefully.
Again, I'd appreciate it if you kept it serious (and limited the discussion to merely what you think the hypothetical five additional commandments could have been).
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There's really nothing to add here. Each of those commandments entails a jurisdiction for every kind of sin there is. All sin is identified and encapsualted in them.
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There's really nothing to add here. Each of those commandments entails a jurisdiction for every kind of sin there is. All sin is identified and encapsualted in them.
They don't necessarily have to be about sin, or what not to do. Maybe some stuff about what we ought to do in our day to day lives? Some "do this" commandments as opposed to more "don't do this" commandments?
Use your imagination.
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There's really nothing to add here. Each of those commandments entails a jurisdiction for every kind of sin there is. All sin is identified and encapsualted in them.
Way to play the game there, Pariah baby. 
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There's really nothing to add here. Each of those commandments entails a jurisdiction for every kind of sin there is. All sin is identified and encapsualted in them.
Way to play the game there, Pariah baby.
I'm just going to point out that you said that at the same time, didn't add any comadments of your own. 
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I had just seen the thread and am still mulling over what I might include as the "last five."
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"God" supposedly said:
1) "I am the Lord your G-d who brought you out of the land of Egypt..."
Not really a commandment, more of a statement. And I've never even been to Egypt.
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Well, the christians sure didn't follow that one.
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8) "You shall not steal" (sometimes interpreted as kidnapping, since there are other injunctions against stealing property in the Bible).
9) "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"
10) "You shall not covet your neighbor's house..." (in Exodus, the text reads "... neighbour's house, ... neighbour's wife, nor his manservant..." etc. while in Deuteronomy, "thy neighbour's wife, ... thy neighbour's house, his field" etc.)
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That was great! Damn funny! 
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r3x, I asked that discussion be limited to hypothetical listing of what people think the 11th-15th commandments could have been. I don't appreciate you side-tracking my thread to take idiotic pot-shots. That wasn't the point of this thread.
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1) "I am the Lord your G-d who brought you out of the land of Egypt..."
Not really a commandment, more of a statement. And I've never even been to Egypt.
Acknowledging G-d's existence in itself is a commandment for us Jews, and this commandment tells us to do so (also, the link in my original post talks about commandments vs. statements, but I don't want to get into that, because it's not the point of this thread).
As for Egypt, it's a reference to the slavery and redemption of the Jews. We're commanded to remember for all time our Exodus from Egypt on a daily basis (which we do in a variety of ways, including references to it in our daily prayers)
I'm not sure how or if the exodus factors into Christianity.
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Actually there is evidence that, historically and technically currently, Saturday should be the Christian Sabbath as Sunday is the first day of the week and saturday is the 7th. By not honoring the sabbath and following the worship days of bewildering pagan rituals "the day of the sun" I assume christians are incorrectly following scripture and god's rules and breaking a commandment.
The joke that was made about the idols is also accurate.
Adultery goes beyond sleeping with another person besides your spouse..it refers to any sex outside of marriage.
Darknight, do those of the Hebrew faith worship on Saturday?
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Actually if Christians were to follow the Beatitudes of Christ ( actually much more difficult than the 10 commandments) in conjunction with the ten commandments then I would assume that all bases would be covered..i would think those of Jewish and muslim faith would and could follow those and not break any rules and live a better life on a personal level. I just wish more "christians" would....myself included.
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11. Thou shalt circumcise thy male offspring.
12. Thou shalt not abuse animals even though you have dominion over them.
13. Thou shalt not poison this thy earth, its lands, its seas, its air.
14. Treat well and with love thy children.
15. Thou shalt not abuse power and the goodwill of the public for thine own ends.
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r3x, I'm going to honour DK's thread idea by not debating you point by point on your bizzare interpretation of this as being the "mock Christians" thread. We get it, you're a biggot who hates Christians, you've made that clear, so stop beating a dead horse.
Oh and Cristians divide the passage differently dividing the second commandment. So it's I am the lord thy God you will have no other Gods before me.
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Darknight, do those of the Hebrew faith worship on Saturday?
Yup. Friday evening to Saturday night, to be exact (the Jewish calendar is a lunar calendar, so the new day begins at sunset)
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Oh and Cristians divide the passage differently dividing the second commandment. So it's I am the lord thy God you will have no other Gods before me.
Interesting. Nothing about Egypt, then?
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12. Thou shalt not abuse animals even though you have dominion over them.
Just because it's interesting to point out, this one is actually similar to one of the Seven Laws of Noah that were given to everybody that everybody has to observe (I think I've stated on other threads what the other six are, but I'll re-post them if anyone's curious). The 613 commandments were only intended for the Jews (The Ten Commandments are basically categories that the 613 fall into and are not included in the actual 613.)
Nice to see somebody's willing to participate. Now I gotta think of five of my own (I thought starting this thread would give me ideas)
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Oh and Cristians divide the passage differently dividing the second commandment. So it's I am the lord thy God you will have no other Gods before me.
Interesting. Nothing about Egypt, then?
Acctually I just shortened it to show where it becomes a formal command I should have used an elipsis, because it does mention Egypt. It's worded the same, but the division is later.
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Thou shalt not to to strangers in public.
Thou shalt not be a tease.
Thou shalt bath everyday.
Thou shalt attack hippies.
Thou shalt be a fucktard.
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2) "You shall have no other gods besides Me... Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..."
Well, the christians sure didn't follow that one.
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4) "Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy" (the version in Deuteronomy mentions "Keep" rather than "Remember")
Since you're obviously looking for a fight, I'll point out what you're blatently twisting to suit your argument. The cross is a symbol (sym·bol Pronunciation Key (smbl)
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Something that represents something else by association, resemblance, or convention, especially a material object used to represent something invisible.) to represent our faith. The Crusifix is a Catholic symbol, not a Protistant one, get your facts straight. Yes we believe that, but we don't focus on it like Catholics do, we use either a bare cross or one with a shroud drapped across it, like the one I wear.
As for your argument of the Saboth, it can be any day of the week actually. My pastor spoke of this fairly recently, since he and any one else on the church's payroll that works weekend services, he takes Monday as his Saboth.
That all I'll say on this, I wont degrade this thread into an debate to prove you wrong, any more than I already have.
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So, disagree with a religion and I'm a bigot?
Make a joke, and i'm looking for a fight?
Interesting.
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Actually there is evidence that, historically and technically currently, Saturday should be the Christian Sabbath as Sunday is the first day of the week and saturday is the 7th. By not honoring the sabbath and following the worship days of bewildering pagan rituals "the day of the sun" I assume christians are incorrectly following scripture and god's rules and breaking a commandment.
I'll have to look into that, but please to note the act of respecting the Sabbath is concerned more with you putting aside of a day for which to worship God.
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11. thou shalt not be a dick. (Golden rule?)
12. thou shalt not excuse or wash your hands of injustice outside your doorstep by claiming ignorance.
13. thou shalt not dehumanize another person
14. thou shalt not bring yourself comforts and wealth on the sufferings of others
15. thou shalt clothe the poor and heal the sick according to your ability
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So, disagree with a religion and I'm a bigot?
Make a joke, and i'm looking for a fight?
Interesting.
The "joke" would have been funnier if you actually interpreted the Christian faith correctly.
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I'll have to look into that, but please to note the act of respecting the Sabbath is concerned more with you putting aside of a day for which to worship God.
or with coveting all houses, just your neighbors.
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Actually there is evidence that, historically and technically currently, Saturday should be the Christian Sabbath as Sunday is the first day of the week and saturday is the 7th. By not honoring the sabbath and following the worship days of bewildering pagan rituals "the day of the sun" I assume christians are incorrectly following scripture and god's rules and breaking a commandment.
I'll have to look into that, but please to note the act of respecting the Sabbath is concerned more with you putting aside of a day for which to worship God.
Like the example before of a priest choosing to observe the Sabbath on a Monday? I find it to be an intriguing concept.
FYI, I don't know how it is in Christian bibles, but the Torah is pretty specific about the Sabbath being on the seventh day of the week.
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r3x, I'm going to honour DK's thread idea by not debating you point by point on your bizzare interpretation of this as being the "mock Christians" thread. We get it, you're a biggot who hates Christians, you've made that clear, so stop beating a dead horse.
I didn't take it as him "mocking" Christians, just pointing out hypocrisy. We should have more churches out there belting that out.
I actually attended one church a while ago where the pastor berated someone publicly for taking 2 parking spaces in order for his car not to suffer indignity of other human contact. He referred to the guys car as his "god".
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So, disagree with a religion and I'm a bigot?
Make a joke, and i'm looking for a fight?
Interesting.
The "joke" would have been funnier if you actually interpreted the Christian faith correctly.
Isn't the ten commandments from the old testament? Wouldn't that technically make them Jewish since you and wannabuyamonkey refuse to acknowledge that its the same god, you just made a fool of yourself.
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See? You've done it again. Where the hell did I ever say that the Jewish God is different from the Christian God?
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FYI, I don't know how it is in Christian bibles, but the Torah is pretty specific about the Sabbath being on the seventh day of the week.
It is for us as well, but do you think God would overlook the intent?
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FYI, I don't know how it is in Christian bibles, but the Torah is pretty specific about the Sabbath being on the seventh day of the week.
It is for us as well, but do you think God would overlook the intent?
I dunno. I'm inclined to think that if something is spelled out specifically in the Torah, that's the way G-d wants it done. Especially considering how vague many other commandments in the Torah are. If something is spelled out specifically, like the Sabbath being on a certain day, then that's when He wants it observed.
Although if someone is genuinely unable to keep the Sabbath when its supposed to be observed and tries earnestly to make up for it on another day...He may let it slide, depending on the circumstances (I've heard quite a few rabbis say that Judiasm has an "A for effort" policy.) I wouldn't count on this though, because of the precedent it might set.
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See? You've done it again. Where the hell did I ever say that the Jewish God is different from the Christian God?
wanabuyamonkey did at least. On the thread where I stated Jesus was the son of the Jewish god and in fact a Jew himself. Wannabuyamokey was very adament about saying that the Jewish god was not the christian god.
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FYI, I don't know how it is in Christian bibles, but the Torah is pretty specific about the Sabbath being on the seventh day of the week.
It is for us as well, but do you think God would overlook the intent?
aren't you supposed to follow ALL the commandments?
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aren't you supposed to follow ALL the commandments?
I made that statement in leiu of Pig Iron's assertion that we may be misinterpreting what day the sabbath is on. I don't find that we are, but even if that is so, our intent to keep a day holy for God, I feel, earns merit.
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wanabuyamonkey did at least. On the thread where I stated Jesus was the son of the Jewish god and in fact a Jew himself. Wannabuyamokey was very adament about saying that the Jewish god was not the christian god.
I can't see the convo to make full judgement on what he was referring to, but regardless, his prerogative is his own. As a Catholic, I feel that I and the Jewish worship the same God, but follow different practices. I obviously feel that Christ is my God and is one with the Father, but Jewish feel that he is only a prophet. While I do view it as a type of heresy, their belief in the Father is still in accordance with ours.
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Pariah said:I can't see the convo to make full judgement on what he was referring to, but regardless, his prerogative is his own. As a Catholic, I feel that I and the Jewish worship the same God, but follow different practices. I obviously feel that Christ is my God and is one with the Father, but Jewish feel that he is only a prophet. While I do view it as a type of heresy, their belief in the Father is still in accordance with ours.
That was my entire point on the other thread. That Muslims, Jews, Christians all worship the god of Abraham. Its just what happened afterwards that they disagree on, but its still the same root.
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Presuming that Allah really is synonyomus with the Christian God historically (something I don't know whether to be true or not), by our views, the Muslims have perverted precisely what that God is through Muhammed's teachings. Judeoism and Christianity held on to God's principles.
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So, disagree with a religion and I'm a bigot?
Make a joke, and i'm looking for a fight?
Interesting.
I didn't say you were a biggot because you disagree with religion, but because of your hostility and disdain for Christians, please try to follow, it's not that hard to understand. As far as looking for a fight? It's a little late to try and take the high road now.
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