Quote: thedoctor said: I just remembered that quote because of your defense of AvP way back when. It just struck me as odd considering both films.
Well, my pride compelled me to find out when I'd used that phrase(I'm a terrible person, I know). I did a search for "Spiderman" posts made by me in the media forum. I didn't see anything resembling the quote you've attributed to me.
Quote: I, too, look at movies for what they are.
Then, we agree that there's no double-standard in my finding AvP enjoyable and Spiderman not(as you seemed to imply initially). Good.
Quote: AvP was a no-plot fight movie (with bad fight scenes), but the writer/director himself claims that his movie was to be much more and that the studio edit cut out his "plot".
The studio promoted it as nothing but a fight movie. I can neither confirm or deny your statement about the writer/director, but it seemed painfully clear to me what the project was "about" from the company's standpoint.
Quote: Rami's Spider-man is great because it is the comic book come to life. It's great visuals and movement, a character who gets crapped on despite being a super hero, and all the bad dialogue and plots that made him a classic character to begin with.
I've never questioned that it was a faithful adaptation of the series...but, I ask you, does that make it good?
Don't get me wrong, I'd certainly like any comic book movie to resemble the source. However, it seems kind of odd to approach a project like this with the viewpoint that the best way to adapt something is too include its bad traits as well(in this case, the corny, hackneyed and cliched plots and dialogue).
Movies like X-Men, X-2 and Batman Begins(which had a few cornball lines of their own; it's true) have made it clear that a comic book franchise can be altered and still remain true. They worked. If these Spiderman movies were made in the 60's, I'd evaluate them within the context of that era. Obviously, though...they weren't.
Now, I do respect that Sam Raimi has decided to go the silver age route with Spiderman. To be honest, I've never really blamed Raimi for the Spidey-flicks(though if he played any part in casting Kirsten Dunst, that goes as a major strike against him). I just don't see that as a viable excuse for the films having so many flaws. That kind of reflects poorly on the comic books themselves, and actually makes me appreciate them less, rather than more.
Quote: Don't kid yourself. You take this stuff way to seriously to let it go.
I'm not going to allow you cast aspersions upon my movie-integrity, if that's what you mean by "let it go". My movie-integrity is like the son I never had. My baby. My movie-integrity baby. My precious.
....but, just because I enjoy discussing movies doesn't mean I take it seriously. Unless Pariah is reading, in which case: I totally take them seriously, because I'm such a serious, unlazy guy.
